Evil Dragons...

[zmasternr1]

I remember at start of war debauchery was about 7-8k acres smaller . They were also about 750k nw smaller which seemed to help level out their war win ratio .... At one point in the war ED was 1.6 mil nw larger and about 22-24k acres larger but I see that debauchery turned on the jets and everyday it seemed their acres were going up and up and up.... I don't think bounce waves would have worker when Ur offence core was probably under 50k offence as their unbreakables were 100-200k def? . The lower 100 range being smaller of the Elves Could of maybe done conquesting on the little Elfs who they massacred lol but halfers were way outta range . And as soon as u started tryin to conquest the acres would of leaned hard in debs favor lol

What are you smoking 25k acres up? 1.6m larger?
I think we were up 1,2m at most and maybe 10k acres.
Then we got an orc attacker oow killed. We wd because we lost the eco war. Each day we lost military and peasant. We realized we couldn't win and preferred to continue the age with big halfers.

I don't think debach could have forced a win against us with that setup.
Would have taken them weeks to grind us down and create unbreakables.
And if we lost acres the wpa tpa ratios would have eincreased again and situation changed.

[zmasternr1]

Oh and yeah we razekilled a prov but that meant we had armies out and quite spread on top of that.
While debauch held button and waved us when we had armies out. Huge advantage there...also they pumped for 4 days while we razekilled.

The cost for this was one small elf. Which they evened out by asking for an oow kill

[Sig]

He is accurate, actually. You basically started at the finish-line, but ran backwards.

I love how you guys continually claim we pumped for 4 days, and that you suffered more losses from RKing the top honour/WPA elf we had at the time. No. Stop being so delusional, please, for the sanity of the community and yourselves. Look at the hostile report again if you have crusties in your eyes. You TMd top attackers with armies home, out of war build, killing massive elites. You massacred every elf (that wasn't killed) over 6 times. You plundered all the GC we had in EoWCF (which we would not care about as long as you didn't continue with 199 more hits afterwards). Also a fun fact: we did not blanket you..once. Our mistake, no doubt. As we did not want to give in to your strongarm, forcing an easy WW.

Lets take a look again, if you missed it in your fit of rage the first time:

Total attacks suffered: 225 (2,899 acres)
-- Traditional march: 26 (2,899 acres)
-- Raze: 137 (2,129 acres)
-- Massacre: 24 (29,383 population)
-- Plunder: 20
-- Learn: 16
-- Failed: 2 (0.9% failure)
-- Uniques: 147

Whilst this was all going on, we were pumping with our loads of GC..ya..that's what happened.

[zmasternr1]

All razes and most of the trads were on the razekill elf.
The losses looks bigger because you explored him.
The plunders were made into eowcf for reduced efficiency and you had already trained.
We took maybe 300k/plunder. Hostile offense losses is just as bad as defensive ones.
The massacres sucked because of gb prot. Main chunk of the losses are peasant and spread on all elves it isnt that much/prov.

You guys exaggerate quite a lot. You won, we wd. Why exaggerate and change facts?
Because the warsummary gives people a better clue than what you painted up?

[r3born]

Wow ED, you should just let this thread die... Stop QQing with lame excuses and admit defeat, move on.

[Korp]

Wow ED, you should just let this thread die... Stop QQing with lame excuses and admit defeat, move on.

If you notice hardly any people from ED has been posting in here lately there is other people keeping this thread alive. But I guess reading is too much to ask :<

[r3born]

If you notice hardly any people from ED has been posting in here lately there is other people keeping this thread alive. But I guess reading is too much to ask :<

I assume zmaster is in ED, no? If you read, he posted 3 of the previous 4 times before me....
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[alan03]

All razes and most of the trads were on the razekill elf.
The losses looks bigger because you explored him.
The plunders were made into eowcf for reduced efficiency and you had already trained.
We took maybe 300k/plunder. Hostile offense losses is just as bad as defensive ones.
The massacres sucked because of gb prot. Main chunk of the losses are peasant and spread on all elves it isnt that much/prov.

You guys exaggerate quite a lot. You won, we wd. Why exaggerate and change facts?
Because the warsummary gives people a better clue than what you painted up?

I didnt want to comment here.. but srsly... get over it.
War is over, move on.

You keep coming back with excuses. Who cares who has an advantage or disadvantage pre-war. You wanted the war, you knew the situation getting yourself into the war, you lost based on these decisions.
Just accept IT MOVE ON.

The more you try to explain yourself and why you lost, the weaker you look giving excuses.


If i was leadership in ED, once the WD happened, i would have just banned any external posts regarding the war. Easiest PR move ever.

[zmasternr1]

Nah I'm just an objective bystander:o
On a serious note, too much **** is being made up here.
Since no one from ED (save me) has posted it tend to get onesided.
I just post some facts straight.

[wai]

Nah I'm just an objective bystander:o
On a serious note, too much **** is being made up here.
Since no one from ED (save me) has posted it tend to get onesided.
I just post some facts straight.

/me snugs zmas

[alan03]

Nah I'm just an objective bystander:o
On a serious note, too much **** is being made up here.
Since no one from ED (save me) has posted it tend to get onesided.
I just post some facts straight.

Clearly you're doing ED a disservice towards their image.

[Korp]

I assume zmaster is in ED, no? If you read, he posted 3 of the previous 4 times before me....
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Yea, but if you look at the majority of the posts after the war is over :) So, you implying that this thread would die if it wasnt due to people from ED posting in here is false.

[zmasternr1]

Haha our image can't get that much worse can it.
As far as excuses, I don't make any. Since I'm blessed with a level of intellect that surpasses most of the people posting here I just give you my objective view of the situation before and during the war. This view is more than likely much more accurate than the ones especially debauchery players have made up.

I can admit I am a little annoyed we lost this war. Not because of our performance...we did some very big strategic mistakes.
More that we lost to a kd that was plainly less active an experienced:)

[tr3ndy]

Is ED really looking for sympathy cause they had a terrible war plan ? I would say I am confused but this is nothing new from ED LOL.. I love how you guys think you were disadvantaged because you decided to plunder/tm into their war and raze kill one of their provinces before debauchary retalled at all! Imagine if they had retal warred u before war!! Imagine the QQ from ED haha You think plundering into an EoWcf gives 300k gc when a prov can hold 10+ million gc?? What are you smoking mann?? Honestly do yourself a favour and stop posting, your KD has little to no respect now after all your QQ and little to no fear from anyone now. You lost to a ghetto that you bullied into war, how pathetic is your kd. The acre difference was almost 20k acres (maybe more I dont remember exactly) so shut up about how u won acres.. you lost 10k acres in the last 3-4 days of war and your 2 fairies got absolutely raped..

Like this post if you want to see ED raze into Debauchary again this age.

"Now, ED could play dirty and raze strippers after the war, especially after the massive arces gained.
And see who has the last laugh." <--- Reread first 30 pages of this thread please nub


EDIT: zmaternr1 --- hahahahahahah superiour intellect HAHAHAHAHAHA

[lucas]

Yea, but if you look at the majority of the posts after the war is over :) So, you implying that this thread would die if it wasnt due to people from ED posting in here is false.

I agree. The grand reputation of ED speaks for itself. They have moved on, why can't you strippers.

You guys better not piss the utopia community, and get more raze kills throughout the age!