Then you are at least very biased elit. Still i dont really care about that. I just hope pandas get a tastr of their own medicine the minute they get oow and get powerplayed.
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Then you are at least very biased elit. Still i dont really care about that. I just hope pandas get a tastr of their own medicine the minute they get oow and get powerplayed.
Humanoize: Elit plays in CR, the kd thats razing Valhalla into war.
Elit: And yeah I remember now, go talk to proteus, im working this weekend
Think this was most sincere comment on topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanoize
Its not something im in rush. How i told you ~~10 days ago PM me when you have time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
You know most hard part about leading is time you need to waste. When leaders waste each other time for noting its only make it harder for all.
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Originally Posted by Elit
Wasting your time? Hardly anything to waste, not like you are playing for anything this age
My real play are in forum :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Still i think your action is disrespected.
Sure i don't lead atm so you can act how you like.
Its the same thing as saying i back up ppl that dealbreak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanoize
May i ask what Pandas own medicine is?
***Editet***
I think we are small for you...but waving us after razes is like you say you support VALHALLA actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
This war is going to have impact for long. One day for sure truth about all will come out.
Im taking day off from forum :)
p.s.
So late already did QQ :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Ill post the one.and only, convo i had with JanK from Valhalla here if you want me to. Where I tell him that dealbreaking is lame and that if Pandas/sleepy/Simians ask me to raze them I will say yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Noone asked me before today though, like a week later
The answer is in my first post on page 40Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
As a core member of this KD ill say it would be nice if Emeriti and BB chipped in and that a way is found to make competition as fair as possible in the future. DB kds should never get to decide and dictate the top. They should been ganked the moment they had returned our lost land from all of the top kds available. Just my pov.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
so this sounds like you are razing jesters...while anri's later post appears to be saying you aren't...which is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
way to overstate the punishment and understate the crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by marve
you did way more than a simple swiping of candy. You entered a bank took hostages cleared the vault and tried to shoot your way out of it and in doing so you are now getting hit with return fire.
If you goals were to do anything the man speaking here said and combined in with what you are claiming then this is premeditated, but i however don't think your crew is smart enough to take advantage of the situation as you did and you definitely got prodded into the direction of doing so.
Previous relations with one of the 2 benefiting kingdoms aside... who both got stunted in a similar fashion on a smaller level. Your kingdom has shown complete lack of understand of have deals and CFs work and that being said the ability to manipulate the situation to your advantage is very questionable.
Also the claim of wanting to war all the people in the top and then acting in this way is contradiction to your goals and I do not mean not WDing... I mean the deal break. When you have a CFs with notices and YR expires people are given an assumed protection based on the word of the other kingdom. In the deal you claim Pandas broke because the paper read cf was broken doesn't mean their was a deal break. You had a blank cf. A blank cf can be broken at anytime by both sides. You assuming it was EoA is your misplay and why you ate the wave unprepared. What you did this age was offer a time you both should of been ready to engage in hostiles and instead of meet up on the playground at the arranged time you jumped out from the alley while they were on the way there and hit them on the head with a bat before the fight started. Not only did you misplay your goal to war top kingdoms on their turf because not a single one will give you a CF deal based on your recent actions. They cant feel safe attempting to pump with a deal you more than likely will intend to break if they will have too much of an advantage in the conflict.
This action also showed you don't want to war on even terms you want to hurt kingdom and not war them for the wars sake.
Wow, this one is blooming. I might have to get a cigar to read through this days commentary.
But this is also why I don't do diplo. I'd just admire the vast text content.
@Bart and others: Accusations are going to fly whenever a dealbreak happens, and there aren't immediate responses from everyone. Just roll with it. It makes things much funnier. People aren't doing this because you aren't welcome. People are doing it because they always pull this crap to each other. If anything, that's a sign you are welcome to top play.
I am on the bandwagon that this is a Vir false flag op to get people to stop being so mean to him. But it backfired, and now he's scrambling to get out of it.
Mean Kees! Why you play with other warring kd, and not me??Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanoize
another kd was razing pandas/sleepy. we gave them an option og CFing Pandas/simians or be razed by us. they choose to cf panda/sleepyQuote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
I stretched out a hand to Binar earlier today and what happens after that is up to LS of both kds. I hope it ends good for all and that competition will be alive in the top for many weeks to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
You can raze without being asked though Binar :P If you think it is unfair you can approach people yourself or start doing stuff.
as i said we were never asked. go read Vir's post at the start og this thread, he wanted everyone to stay out
Binar
We fully intend to destroy them ourselves, they have so far taken 7k of our acers and we intend to take that back.. after we have taken that back, and hopefully some more, people can do whatever they want, but for now we would prefer if people let us handle this ourselves.
Thats what Vir said.
Nothing is stopping you now. Only that you obviously don't mind a dragged out conflict.
I sure as hell wont do it just because CR players tells me that i should
http://i.imgur.com/zWrgB7m.mp4
hmm, video tags don't work? Sad.
Anri -- ultimately, I think the reason why Pandas aren't getting more support is because of the initial request to not help them. A lot of kds expressed a willingness to, and when they were told it wasn't necessary, they went on to do other things. Hard to now be upset that either those kds are profiting from it (as it's not like you could expect those kds to sit around not doing anything, and you asked them to not help you), and/or no longer available (e.g. BB/WSK).
As far as I know pandas have made no contact with our kingdom since our original CF. I personally (I dont do diplo for sparta) am in favor of working this out in a way that allows for fair competition at top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
However, lets not beat around the bush here. Sparta was rocketing to #1 very early when we got waved by the U who then exploited a bug in the game to allow themselves to train up much much more than they would have been able to. Was there any discussion about reparations to sparta for us losing the #1 spot due to getting waved by a kd that then used a massive exploit in hostile? No. Most people seemed to think since that MANY MANY kds got a free extra fort that it was ok, and due to the use of this exploit during a time when sparta was in conflict MANY MANY competing KDS got to double fort, while sparta lost its only OOP fort to a conflict with cheaters. This led us relatively weak and open to yet another wave, which happened after what we now know was a multi kd fsu hit our banks. Did pandas offer us the chance to recover for a fair competition? no, they waved our banks and gave us a terrible CF that we had no other choice than to take.
After all that am I bitter? no actually. This is UTO and I cant expect pandas to step down and not compete due to things that were not their fault. They were in a position to wave us because of cheating that other people did, they didnt owe us anything. Pandas got DB yes, and as terrible as that is it is not actually cheating. No one multi fsud them and no one exploited game bugs to block them. My best understanding is that we wanted jesters to war sparta, as at the time we thought that a war with another top 5 kd was our only way to stay in the land race. I still feel like a sparta vs jesters war would have been much better. I truely wish that we had been able to arrange the war, as it potentially would have rocketed jesters or sparta to a great position.
Dont make assumptions about what sparta wants. We didnt want a jesters DB with pandas, and certainly if we "controlled" jesters that was not the best thing for us. If pandas needs help or wants to diplo they can open up talks (maybe they have i actually dont know) but we dont **owe** any other top kd any more than what they gave us after we suffered from kds that used bug exploits and multis.
It would have been more of a bug if it was actually coded as they said it would be
Baiting is fine, dealbreaking is not and you seem to be confused about that, they're 2 completely different things and not even remotely equivalent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Castille
Between the choice of being forced to eat endless wave or declare they would have lost their age either way so there is no choice. With war at least they can salvage something.
And no Pandas should not wd, Jesters should be GB'ed out of existance, that's the only proper solution, scorched earth!
Keep razing them until they disband and their players are scattered to the four winds.
yea that's a might dramatic lol
I am sure most of the members of jesters believed their leaders when they were told this is the right thing to do.
as a wise man said :punishment should fit the crime...destroying a kingdom is going a bit far.
Still find it funny that DB's happen and people involved in DB's are in KD's that are still in the top today, should we destroy those KD's as well... oh wait they eventually disband and just form new ones and around the carousel we goooooo!!!!!
If you could see what they write in the war forum i am pretty sure you would change your mind. They got pretty much 25 people all acting the same and trust me they have zero regrets of anything they have done and everything they post is to taunt/mock us. Every single post seem to be made by a 13y old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
Is it really 25 different people each ranting? That must be crazy probably at 100 pages then? Is it against the forums to post here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Will Simians be razing their gains from this farmwar?
For the real world yes I agree, For games since there isn't really any price paid you need to be as draconian as possible to discourage repeat offences. from that source as well as any others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
There are only a handful of people posting in the war forums so please try not to blow things out of proportion. Also, please don't pretend that there aren't people in your Kingdom acting like they are a "13y old".Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
I respectfully disagree. I think punishment is needed but as soon as they admit to being in the wrong, apologize for doing it and are willing to withdraw the punishment should end. If there was actual harm done maybe a payment of acres but in this case I am not sure how sizable if any this reparation should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
Yea, chase away the few players that still plays the game. Thats a brilliant idea! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elldallan
This is ironic, consider your usual behaviour and what you think is "just fun"Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri
Yes if they're willing to apologize and offer suitable reparations, which to restore status quo would probably have to be more than just withdrawing at this point then the punishment should cease. I was referring to the situation where they would remain defiant(as that seems to be Jesters current stance), then u stomp on them firmly until nothing remains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
Well assuming that the other two competitors aren't willing to include themselves in the resolution it's quite possible that Jesters couldn't offer enough reparations to revert the situation to how things were prior to their transgression, at which point their final punishment should their dissolution.
Yes for player retention it would be unfortunate but it's the suitable punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
You dont know what i think is fun or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Elit, why do you keep rehashing this? No one is interested in your off topic accusations, but I feel the need to correct false attacks so again I will respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Yes, all top kingdoms traded. Not all crosslogged in an organized manner. Abs allowed trading (like all top kingdoms did and most non-top) but did not allow crosslogging and scripting. It was the "Anti-abs" alliances that had and used the scripting for mass province creation. On occasion, generous scripters like Cheese would give some provinces they landed in an Abs kingdom to the Abs monarch if they liked them and the Abs monarch would typically accept them. On many other occasions, the provinces scripted into the abs kingdoms by the aabs scripters would be run as a spy account, often for weeks/months/ages. You have the scripting situation reversed in your head from reality. Abs has always been against scripting every since Age 7 when Reign of Absalom was multied down oop by scripted Avians. There are many examples of Abs being attacked by scripters and no examples of Absalom attacking others with scripted provinces and Absalom did not run scripts to fill kingdoms either.
As for reporting, no doubt reporting of kingdoms cheating happened both ways and Absalom players did at times report those they believed were extensively cheating such as organized crosslogging. You can be sure that Absalom kingdoms were reported even more though. Absalom was scrutinized by the admins more closely than other kingdoms due to anti abs players at times doing mass organized reporting campaigns against Abs. Mikes cheating was always on a different level from most kingdoms simple trading and that is something he is proud of including on the two occasions he self deleted his entire kingdoms and posted cheating confessionals in the forum.