Proposal to end he Awar

yes tetley, and they did not.

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Originally Posted by vir

So could you please explain for me then why you didnt just tell me when i asked you several times to just be clear "yes we will war pyro instead so you wont be able to notice us" or just say "we will run" i mean i would just have let the cf run on until later (which is what happened anyway) but we would have been able to have normal talks like normal people.

Dont you think saying "yeah we are prepping for you" "we rather take a wave" etc all kinda hints at you guys maybe not running? I cant even see the reason for doing it like you did except wasting some gc but instead just next time we will not give you a cf as easy as we did earlier that age, now i quit anyway so it wont matter but i dont know, keeping normal relations with people just dont suit the absers, they just have to do the shady move every time. You screwed over all our possible future talks for the gain of us drafting and converting? Not a very sustainable strat..

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Ok, here are the things I said to you:

"nah, you look scary" (on the direct question if we were ok with war)
"Every time I contact you about a cf extention you disapear"
"My guess when we made the cf was that we'd need another weeks pump to be able to fight"
"we could take one fight each now and cf to about y10 and see were we stand then"
(you say you will push the fight anyway)
"I need to come up with a plan to dodge you in that case"
(you say "dodge a hostile?")
"yeah, we can't take a fight with you right now"
"It's a no win scenario for us"
(you say that the option is cf for land)
"that is also a bad option"
"If I had an option that would please you I would naturaly suggest it"
"But a war is a horrible options and I wont give away acres"
"I don't think we'll find a sulotion that suits us both when I want to extend and you want to bully us for acres"
"we want to extend so draft for nothing really isn't something you need to do"
(you say that you need acres)
"We need acres too so giving them to you is counterproductive"
(you ask how a wave is better than cf for acres)
"Someone taking acres from me is alot more honest than me giving them away"
(you say ok, then we'll hit you in three days, ok?)
"No that's not ok"
"You are not prepared to give me anything I'm asking for so what part of this would be ok to me?"

Please inform me of wth you I could have said to make my point any clearer? To ask me to say "just say you will dodge" when that was exactly what I did just tells everyone that what I said was completely irrelevant since you weren't listening anyway.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

You do need to read the logs since you are accusing emerit of changing agreed deals and you think that we agreed to give Simians a prov crown. A simple read through the logs will prove that neither actualy happened and we can put a silly discussion to bed.

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Terrible.

It was clear for many days that we discussed how much acres to give to Emeriti to get prov crown and not war BB and also have BB give up on the prov crown they could have got. BB agreed to get out of the race and do nothing only if Simians got the prov crown for our achievements. We told ASF a bunch of times we want to disband gracefully and since Emeriti won the age much by dodging Simians at least two times and getting CP farmwar it was not more then fair to us to at least let Vir finish as #1. This was everything we talked about for a long time. ASF was about to agree to take 10k acres to let us just leave walk over and get the prov crown. Dorje came along many times and ruined the talk.

Mithras you were not there. The exact context of BB getting out of the race and Simians not waving BB for war etc was not written down in the deal but everyone knew what the hell we were dealing with.

This is so typical absalom behavior.
If this deal had been between other KDs in the top it had been simple and you would not have stole the prov crown from us like the most greedy players on the server. No one had acted like a lawyer and endless of talk would not have been needed. Just look at this topic. You spin your **** like never before.

I think when the explore was done at least ASF understood what went wrong. It was simple miscommunication, you used our good faith in honoring the deal to rape the prov crown from under our nose. ASF did offer us to get NW prov crown at this point in time. This is when i really raged out because we took enough **** over last age when we should have finished you earlier in the age without a doubt, we played you nicely and got nothing but **** back all the way to the end, so i sworn to get revenge on Emeriti and i told ASF this.

And people like me, well, what can i say, i did not play 60 ages to end by getting ****ed by Dorje.
I get my revenge eventually and what time is better then now.

I have read the logs. Stop doing diplo for 24h straight. Your head gets muschy. Emeriti never agrees to giving Simians a prov crown. You can feel exactly how you want to about it but there is nothing there and wishing power alone wont make it so.

It's not even misleading.

You guys can't compete with Anri (nor can I). He not only has a beautiful dog, he also has a friesian.

he wins.

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and he also apparently fly fishes which means he is superior to all others. (fly fish too but I deliver the fly like a 2x4 hitting the water).

Starting to realise how this abs hate came about. Ppl imagined things and when it turns out to be dreams you assign blame without telling anyone that can set you straight.

Coming to think of it, that also explains why ppl are so careful to write stuff down and get them confirmed.

Read the logs. It's almost 24h nonstop of stalling and threats about farming out to someone else, how you can notice out of war while no one can notice you into war and so on in absurdum.

Mithras,

Do you even fly fish bro?

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Originally Posted by Sheister

You guys can't compete with Anri (nor can I). He not only has a beautiful dog, he also has a friesian.

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Are you sure?!?

http://i58.tinypic.com/zstpvn.jpg

This is now dog thread.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

BB was offered acres from Bour wich they accepted and from Emeriti to compensate. They also got the time and a cf they wanted. After this BB was asked (5 times according to flogger) if that was enough to compensate for any wrongdoings. Had they asked for more, they would have gotten more. So any argument that BB was hurt in their prep for emeriti is bogus. It was all offered compensation for. BB actively chose the dealbreak because it was more benefitial to them than a fair fight.

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really... year 4 is year 2? I mean they had all intention of not CFing you at all and engaging you. Stop the BS ploy

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Originally Posted by Mithras

I have read the logs. Stop doing diplo for 24h straight. Your head gets muschy. Emeriti never agrees to givining Simians a prov crown. You can feel exactly how you want to about it but there is nothing there and wishing power alone wont make it so.

It's not even misleading.

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The diplo went on for days and the agreement to give us prov crown acctually happen the moment we promised not to wave and war BB and the moment BB said they wont try to get the prov crown. You rather had ended up fighting Simians and BB eoa? This was part of the deal and all the rest of the dip was only a question about how much acres do we give to Emeriti to get the prov crown in exchange. That you need every little bit of talk written down to ingame and confirmed is a ****ing joke. This should not even been an issue. It was dead clear to Simians and BB what the deal was about. Its strange that Emeriti did not understand or interpute our talks the same way. But we should have expected it. We acted in good faith of the abs community. We had no real reason to believe you would act shady and steal our prov crown.

Then you ask yourself why people GB your KD and why most of the community on the forums is against you right now.
How about you rethink the moves you pulled last age and this age and come to sense. The closest i got to someone from Emeriti saying they are sry is ASF offering nw prov crown to us and also ASF saying "we might not treated Simians to fair". Something along those lines.

Its sickens me to hear your BS non stop.

I am with Anri

http://images.champdogs.net/breeds/l...-retriever.jpg

And, to be completely controversial and start an argument.... TAKE THIS!

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Originally Posted by Sheister

You guys can't compete with Anri (nor can I). He not only has a beautiful dog, he also has a friesian.

he wins.

*edit*

and he also apparently fly fishes which means he is superior to all others. (fly fish too but I deliver the fly like a 2x4 hitting the water).

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Its my warhorse!

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Originally Posted by Sheister

I am with Anri

http://images.champdogs.net/breeds/l...-retriever.jpg

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Abs clearly is no dogpeople

But they do bark

Who has forum duty after mithras shift is over?

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Originally Posted by SnirpsneR

Who has forum duty after mithras shift is over?

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I hope it is Dorje, he is the main criminal in Emeriti and should stand justice.

TAKE MY PASO FINO!

http://www.southsidepasofinos.com/im...er_1_small.jpg

OK that one is not mine, but it looks a lot like it.

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Originally Posted by Squee311

really... year 4 is year 2? I mean they had all intention of not CFing you at all and engaging you. Stop the BS ploy

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Yes, BB had the option to set the date they chose. They choose year 4 to kill bour first before fighting us. Afterwards they again had the option too change the cf to suit their needs.

That would be nice. But I'm afraid there are others on duty before jd:(

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Originally Posted by Anri

The diplo went on for days and the agreement to give us prov crown acctually happen the moment we promised not to wave and war BB and the moment BB said they wont try to get the prov crown. You rather had ended up fighting Simians and BB eoa? This was part of the deal and all the rest of the dip was only a question about how much acres do we give to Emeriti to get the prov crown in exchange. That you need every little bit of talk written down to ingame and confirmed is a ****ing joke. This should not even been an issue. It was dead clear to Simians and BB what the deal was about. Its strange that Emeriti did not understand or interpute our talks the same way. But we should have expected it. We acted in good faith of the abs community. We had no real reason to believe you would act shady and steal our prov crown.

Then you ask yourself why people GB your KD and why most of the community on the forums is against you right now.
How about you rethink the moves you pulled last age and this age and come to sense. The closest i got to someone from Emeriti saying they are sry is ASF offering nw prov crown to us and also ASF saying "we might not treated Simians to fair". Something along those lines.

Its sickens me to hear your BS non stop.

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Risking war with Simians and BB was ofc not an option since we ofc expect both of them to fight 1 on 1. And if there were a deal for that you would have rubbed those logs in everyones face long ago.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Risking war with Simians and BB was ofc not an option since we ofc expect both of them to fight 1 on 1. And if there were a deal for that you would have rubbed those logs in everyones face long ago.

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Your KD told mine, if we wave BB which we could before Emeriti had a chance to hit us you would hit us into war/hostile. This itself was so bad after we did let your war vs both Pyro and CP go. Both wars was very borderline. It only shows how we played as clean as it possible gets while you did every move in the book to win, no matter the damage your KD would take. You got your crown last age, just dont expect to get treated good this age, esp since you cant even comprehend the damage you done to other KDs by your ****play.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Your KD told mine, if we wave BB which we could before Emeriti had a chance to hit us you would hit us into war/hostile. This itself was so bad after we did let your war vs both Pyro and CP go. Both wars was very borderline. It only shows how we played as clean as it possible gets while you did every move in the book to win, no matter the damage your KD would take. You got your crown last age, just dont expect to get treated good this age, esp since you cant even comprehend the damage you done to other KDs by your ****play.

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Wierd. I would have been dead sure that if we had said that you would have redecorated the forums with that. If you refer to that I said that I would not accept you running cuz we wanted the acres you'll find that I used pretty much the same phrases vir had used towards us when he had the upper hand earlier. Just for the record I never said anything about hitting into your hostiles or wars.

The only possible resolution I see here....

http://www.pensacolafishingforum.com...-b54e-8397.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mithras

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Its actually pretty simple, yes in the text its pretty clear you would rather wait 1 week or extend and all that and its not like we both say "ok yeah sure lets war" i know that.. but when i tell you

"Well for me the most important part is that is that you dont do a bsmove and suddenly notice someone else and we sit with the whole kd drafted etc" <- because it just happened and a lot of people were really not enjoying the age so more of the same lameness would get moral even lower.. anyways.. right here it would have been really easy to just say "well if you go for us we will notice someone else" or like "well there wont be any war happening"

saying "well for me i would prefer not to war" well.. what do that mean? From our intel we thought you were cfed with pyro until yr5+72 we had +48 and your whole kd was drafting up and you are telling me you are drafting up for me.

Your reply is like that, you replied "Well if you are drafting i hope you are doing it for a reason" "but i would prefer if we would not get noticed" and then i'm suposed to be able to tell from the text that you are running?

I asked you straight out if you are running and you cant see how there can be confusion between "yes we are" or "i would prefer to not war" i mean i've had several wars i would preferred to not have had at that time..

Anyway, just funny how some people who all use the "intentional wage" strategy happened to have come into the same group for years and years. I mean sure we got outplayed with way wording on irc and lost maybe kd and provcrowns on it. That you are playing stupid about i just find curious because i think you are fully aware about what you are doing. Or how come i almost never have had this problem with anyone outside absalom during like 10(15??) years of utopia? I think its something you use very actively as a tool.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Wierd. I would have been dead sure that if we had said that you would have redecorated the forums with that. If you refer to that I said that I would not accept you running cuz we wanted the acres you'll find that I used pretty much the same phrases vir had used towards us when he had the upper hand earlier. Just for the record I never said anything about hitting into your hostiles or wars.

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Yeah he did also.. ;)

Big difference is we would have(and did) accapted you running... and been able to talk about it, why sneak around with it?

edit: oh and yeah i know end of age and year5 is different, if the pyrothing would have happened eoa me personally would just have double hostiled if it threatened our crown just as you guys said you would do so i mean its fine.

Sooner or later everything turns into a thread about Simians..

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Originally Posted by vir

Its actually pretty simple, yes in the text its pretty clear you would rather wait 1 week or extend and all that and its not like we both say "ok yeah sure lets war" i know that.. but when i tell you

"Well for me the most important part is that is that you dont do a bsmove and suddenly notice someone else and we sit with the whole kd drafted etc" <- because it just happened and a lot of people were really not enjoying the age so more of the same lameness would get moral even lower.. anyways.. right here it would have been really easy to just say "well if you go for us we will notice someone else" or like "well there wont be any war happening"

saying "well for me i would prefer not to war" well.. what do that mean? From our intel we thought you were cfed with pyro until yr5+72 we had +48 and your whole kd was drafting up and you are telling me you are drafting up for me.

Your reply is like that, you replied "Well if you are drafting i hope you are doing it for a reason" "but i would prefer if we would not get noticed" and then i'm suposed to be able to tell from the text that you are running?

I asked you straight out if you are running and you cant see how there can be confusion between "yes we are" or "i would prefer to not war" i mean i've had several wars i would preferred to not have had at that time..

Anyway, just funny how some people who all use the "intentional wage" strategy happened to have come into the same group for years and years. I mean sure we got outplayed with way wording on irc and lost maybe kd and provcrowns on it. That you are playing stupid about i just find curious because i think you are fully aware about what you are doing. Or how come i almost never have had this problem with anyone outside absalom during like 10(15??) years of utopia? I think its something you use very actively as a tool.

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All I can say is that nothing was unclear. How it was unclear to you is a mystery to me. Your intel was off and you blame me for it? You choose to ignore what I say cuz you think that I lie and you blame me for it when it turns out to be true? You are a strange person

Are you running?

1"Yes we are running"
vs
2"Well i would prefer to not war but yeah sure our kd is drafting and sure its because of you"

same same? Simple as that, got nothing to do with lies etc.

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Originally Posted by Mithras

Yes, BB had the option to set the date they chose. They choose year 4 to kill bour first before fighting us. Afterwards they again had the option too change the cf to suit their needs.

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Really cus that was not their original offer before Bour hit. The new offer was to your advantage all because of the actions that transpired. Stop trying to deny that.

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Originally Posted by Squee311

Really cus that was not their original offer before Bour hit. The new offer was to your advantage all because of the actions that transpired. Stop trying to deny that.

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The hits by bour was the reason we needed to compensate BB so naturaly we didn't offer the compensation before the event had occured.

wtf is happening in this thread?

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Originally Posted by Palem

wtf is happening in this thread?

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inquiring minds want to know.
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Have yall noobs just not given up yet?

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Originally Posted by Palem

wtf is happening in this thread?

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foreplay

WE WiLL NEVER GIVE UP OR LET GO! NEVER!

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Originally Posted by TheOne

jdorje 6:19 PM
if we cf them, bour is dead
and that is bad for us

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I find this little gem pretty interesting.

What exactly is the tactical use of having a friend in a ghetto grow to #1 province unless you intend to have him raze your opposition? If not then what exactly is the logical link between 'bour is dead' and 'bad for us (Emeriti)'?

Would someone who actually means 'Bour is a cool guy and a friend, we wanna help him get a CF' formulate the above sentence?

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Originally Posted by flogger

Have yall noobs just not given up yet?

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Flogger --- the guy who starts it all with an obsessive crusade, but when he feels like he's done, everyone else should be done as well ;)

That line is rich coming from the guy who wasn't able to give up for weeks and still probably hasn't been able to...

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Originally Posted by Mithras

The hits by bour was the reason we needed to compensate BB so naturaly we didn't offer the compensation before the event had occured.

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Stop just stop... Before Bour razed you have no CF and your offer was yr 10 and theirs was YR 2. they had no plans to give you anything more than that. After the razes the CF deal changed because they had to adjust. Stop the circles stop trying dismiss that fact.

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Originally Posted by Squee311

Stop just stop... Before Bour razed you have no CF and your offer was yr 10 and theirs was YR 2. they had no plans to give you anything more than that. After the razes the CF deal changed because they had to adjust. Stop the circles stop trying dismiss that fact.

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They wanted a y4 cf to kill bour before fighting us. After that BB was offered to change that to whatever suited them to avoid the line of reasoning you are persuing right now.

Mithras they changed the YR2 to YR4 BECAUSE of Bour hitting them... So ofcourse it changed.

You offer them they can change the cf offer after they got razed, which by this point you thought **** maybe we over stepped the mark, but not before you had refused to be knowing who it was.

Seriously by this time BB was extremely pissed off, especially when they found out Emeriti knew about it, so anything after that you can discard because by this point BB was already planning their revenge, so whatever happened after or whatever they dealbroke, said or did is irrelevant seeing they were after revenge and they werent just going to say "Hey Emeriti, we are after you now, get ready to get dealbroken", that wouldnt make sense at all.. And that seems to be the thing you, ASF, Leshrak etc. keeps forgetting.

Own up to it, move on, its getting old going round in circles when BB points to you ****playing and you point to BB dealbreaking which is irrelevant, as much as i dont normally agree with Squee, he is correct, seeing the amount razed/damage done isnt the big picture, and BB had every right to decline your compensation or take it and still want revenge.. You cant ****play and expect not to create grudges just cause you "repay" a small amount. (doesnt matter if it was a big amount either).

We never had a y2 cf and after bour hit BB wanted y4 to deal with bour first. If BB had wanted justice or compensation the adjusted cf would have been a more than fair offer (along with the acres offered by both bour and emeriti) but that never happened since BB prefered the dealbreak. All of that is pretty much agreed on, not a contested point.