there's alot of posts talking about the 'logs'. i'm going to paste the chat logs from emeriti's council channel.. and i advise everyone to just re-read the logs WITHOUT any prior assumptions.
my comments are in italics
jdorje 5:59 PM what total size will they be?
leshrak 5:59 PM 2.2, 2.1, 1.7
it's only 15k solds per prov
they released most of their core military
1 soldier/acre for the whole kd
cheap
jdorje 6:09 PM
soooo
back to the idea of waving them right now
we dont like this idea still?
this implies that as a whole, emeriti council has previously discussed about waving bb into their eowcf, and at least majority of them disagrees with the idea
leshrak 6:10 PM
i dunno
flogger offered yr2 cf
not yr6
emeriti feels a yr2 cf benefits bb more than emeriti.
cerberusv6.66 6:14 PM
Waving right now? I don't mind the idea so much.
one of the leadership members stated he didnt mind emeriti waving into bb's eowcf
zauper 6:15 PM
I don't love waving into eow?
Is it the example you want to set for acceptable play?I don't...
another leadership member disagrees with waving into eowcf
leshrak 6:16 PM
don't sit on 10 dpa in eowcf?
jdorje 6:17 PM
not really the example we want to set for acceptable play, no
another leadership member #2 disagrees with waving into eowcf
leshrak 6:17 PM
they could be razed by 400a provs right now
jdorje 6:17 PM
if he's going to farm bour next
it's bour that should be razing them
jdorje mentioned the point that if anyone should be razing/hitting bb, it should be bour. this is comparing betwee emeriti waving or bour razing.. and feels that if any hits should be done.. it should bour doing it
leshrak 6:17 PM
slaps bour around a bit with a large trout
attracts the attention of bour. does this mean leshrak feels bour should raze? or just drawing the attention of bour?
cerberusv6.66 6:18 PM
eh
not sure how I feel about that
jdorje 6:19 PM
if we cf them, bour is dead
and that is bad for us
so if i were bour i'd go get the cf now
with threats of postwar hitting if they refuse
suggestion on how bour should prevent himself from getting farmed
cerberusv6.66 6:20 PM
true
cerberusv6.66 7:18 PM
so eh
are we done planning?
as in, we didn't?
jdorje 7:26 PM
do we raze stables to pump?
for almost a 3 day pump?
cerberusv6.66
stables
cerberusv6.66 7:33 PM
EH
okay
let's think aboutthis. Will we want them for a fight?
we'll have like 1.5k ospecs or something
jdorje 7:34 PM
obviously we'd like them
cerberusv6.66 7:34 PM
so 25% offensive increase for that
and 16% increase for our elites
jdorje 7:34 PM
are they better than 10% more forts for a fight PLUS ~45 hours of banks?
do we want homes for this pump?
i'm guessing we do
cerberusv6.66 7:34 PM
I think we lose them, and I think we want homes
if we're going to fight, we need to go all in on the preparation
before, wehn it looked like it was just one big prov, it looked a lot less scary
things as they stand look very loseable for us
so yeah, we need to do as much as possible. I' not sure what is optimal for said preparation though
but I don't think we want stables while we're preparing
past few sentences were all discussing about the possible conflict
bour 7:41 PM
msged BB ingame
Off. Points 66,646
cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
gonna get that cf?
bour 7:42 PM
will try to get it
cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
give them at most 3 hours to respond
start killing if they don't answer or try to delay
imo
strongest advocate of advising bour to raze into bb's eowcf
bour 7:44 PM
the guy has 12k defense
lol
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Different people would view the logs differently. To each his own.
First thing I asked was how high ranking is cerberusv in emeriti's leadership, and it was made clear that he's definitely a tier below leshrak/jdorje/asf. He was the strongest advocate of advising bour to raze into eowcf. but.. should a non top 3 council member's views be taken strongly into consideration?
personally, i dont fault leshrak/jdorje that much. the logs didnt really strike me as them encouraging bour to raze into eowcf.... most others would see it differently from me. i guess this is the main reason why people believe emeriti should be punished.. their main leaders encouraging bour to raze into bb eowcf.. if i had seen logs of either of them explicitly saying 'bour go raze into bb', i would have definitely taken a side in this awar.
I agree with Godly on his stance of how he sees the logs.. council members discussing a certain gameplay/strategy.. and such discussions always occurs.. (unless the kingdom is running a dictatorship).. but it is poor form for emeriti's main leaders to not openly declare that bour should not raze into eowcf.
BB has the right to be upset that emeriti didnt openly acknowledge that they knew who BO:UR kd was.. and was hiding who BO:UR was. regarding all the emeriti willing to give BB compensation, and what BB demanded for compensation.. i dont know what was really offered/requested.. emeriti did have an edge in CF negotiations when they knew that BB was getting slowed down by bour.. i.e being able to make a longer CF
As flogger has mentioned, I have seen the logs in Bb's leadership channel. and I can affirm that BB was f***ing mad that the razes came in. that someone didnt respect their eowcf. BB didnt really care about crowning, and didnt care about their potential conflict with emeriti... and was willing to CF emeriti (to a certain date where it's strategically worse for BB's clerics vs Emeriti's sages) just to razekill bo:ur. they even wanted emeriti to razekill bo:ur together with them... all these was before BB found out it was bour who actually razed. there are some claims that flogger wanted to GB emeriti for a long time (prior to this age), but those are untrue.
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with everything being said. emeriti has the best roster out there. and have very good warring abilities with top tier leaders. they really shouldnt be that afraid if bour get farmed etc. they have enough skill/activity to take on any kingdom 1v1.. why put your kingdom in a possible 'shady' spot when you can outright own your competition 1v1? so what if bour really gets 'farmed' by BB. should have openly declared that you dont approve of bour razing into eowcf (like what Godly has mentioned)
