Proposal to end he Awar

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Originally Posted by flogger

Can you quote my post where I said we never discussed emeriti taking punishments?

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Originally Posted by flogger

Further ASF - go back and read our text messages. The last texts only discussed bour taking himself out, nothing with emeriti. Our texts aren't that long. This was our last diplo, if I recall.

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As I posted with the logs, you initially brought up bour taking punishments. I said "Try working something out with him and if not successful, let me know and I will try and help". An hour later you got home and we continued talking on IRC.

You then said:
<flogger> and I appreciate your general honesty when we talked earlier, but I'm willing to open up and say what it is that I want to resolve the current issue since I could honestly care less about bourreau's ghetto.
<flogger> all I want is an apology, an admission of what happenned, and I want the punishment being they don't go for the crown
<flogger> this is the heart of our diplomacy
<flogger> I want to quit, leave our kd to our brand new monarch to learn, fight, and probably lose
<flogger> and leave this age to like WSK, coss, our new nub without me and whoever else wants to crown

We then discussed this for a long time. From this point onward you never wavered in your demand that you would not accept anything that didn't include Emeriti razing down and dropping out of competition. You flat out stated that this was your real demands and punishment of Bour didn't matter to you. You are now lying and trying to claim that you didn't actually make demands on Emeriti and all you wanted was bour to be punished.

Bour was punished, he gave you 3x the land back you lost and he agreed to restrict his whole kd to size caps set by BB of 1000 acres. Still things did not end because your real demands (that you are strangely denying now) were that Emeriti raze down and give up the age in YR1.

If this false information you are saying was just poor memory by you, then any reasonable person would have admitted they remembered wrong and apologized and moved on. Instead you keep trying to weave a web of lies to cover the lies you were caught in.

So I didn't mention emeriti in my texts? Do you also not understand what "if I recall means"?

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Originally Posted by flogger

We wanted bour dead, how'd we get that?

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Here, I will repost for you:

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

I'm not sure you quite understand how negociations work. You ask for A, other people ask for B, you talk and eventually agree on something. That's exactly what happend here: you wanted me to take myself out, asf didnt want that, eventually me and protector agreed on something. So by bad diplo, you probably mean trusting BB?

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I don't talk to french people

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Originally Posted by flogger

I don't talk to french people

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Lol .. after 70 pages you come with that! I bet you are drinking Oranjeboom and its getting into your head. I have that sometimes aswell :P

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Originally Posted by protector

It took forever for Bourreau to accept anything. When I did make a proposal, I suggested they'd stay below a certain size AND we'd get 2500 acres. He haggled about the size, then we agreed to that.
All of a sudden he gets waved and surprise, his steward declares.
The next time we talked, he suddenly doesn't agree with 2500 acres??? Every time we talked it felt as if something else was changing and the whole repaying/compensating was pushed back further and further to a point where we got ZERO cow land back and we ONLY lost cow land. We also didn't get any stolen resources back which were a few million GC nor did we get compensated for any economic losses.

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It didn't take me forever to accept anything, I went on irc right after I read your ingame proposition. Then, when my steward declared, YOU postponed the discussions, not me. In fact, I was trying to close the deal with both you and flogger.

Also, we started discuting the number of acres before my steward declared, so what you posted is incorrect, go re-read your log.

Finally, you never ASKED for cow land or any economic compensation. If you wanted that, you should have asked for that...

Gosh, and flogger is saying we're doing bad diplomacy.

Bour why dont u just shut up in this. Your in a ghetto who bit over more than he can chew. Your kd could never give back bank acers to us. You made sure u didnt get into that posision by doing a friendly war with somone u know. We realised this when we messaged them and asked them about the war.

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Originally Posted by Darklove

Bour why dont u just shut up in this. Your in a ghetto who bit over more than he can chew. Your kd could never give back bank acers to us. You made sure u didnt get into that posision by doing a friendly war with somone u know. We realised this when we messaged them and asked them about the war.

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I'm not friendly with the kingdom that waved us, I didn't even know who they were. Stop spreading lies. If you know who they are, their monarch can come confirm thi.s

Also, it would have been quite easy for me to feed you bank acres considering I was still 2k acres, had 4 days of eowcf has dwmerch on low draft. When I got oow, I explored 1k acres and still had millions more gcs to spend, all I needed to do was train some elites. It would have been INCREDIBLY easy for me and my kingdom to feed you cows' acres, but you never showed any interest in that.

maybe becasue your delay made those cow acers worthless ? up to 2k acers isnt worth as much a week after the start.

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Originally Posted by Darklove

maybe becasue your delay made those cow acers worthless ? up to 2k acers isnt worth as much a week after the start.

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First you complain that you didnt get any cow's acres back and now you're saying the cow's acres are worthless? Maybe you should make up your mind.

Also, I didn't delay. Protector delayed ~60h after my initial proposal. He delayed again after war was declared by my steward. When war was over, I asked if he wanted us to drop eow early and he said no.

Also, you didn't answer my question about your lie saying I arranged a friendly war. Do you know who is the kingdom that waved us? If you do, can you get the monarch to post here to confirm your lies?

Its not about the acres... its about sending a message. You smug pricks talked so much trash in war forum. Where are your taunts now? Go back to the ghetto with your garbage diplomacy and ****play. Hilarious how you try and bring flogger down to your levels. When you going to understand the consequences of your actions?

the acers u could give in end of year 1 would not be possible to give to a bank.

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Originally Posted by Darklove

the acers u could give in end of year 1 would not be possible to give to a bank.

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Maybe you didn't read well so I'll repost:

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

Also, it would have been quite easy for me to feed you bank acres considering I was still 2k acres, had 4 days of eowcf has dwmerch on low draft. When I got oow, I explored 1k acres and still had millions more gcs to spend, all I needed to do was train some elites. It would have been INCREDIBLY easy for me and my kingdom to feed you cows' acres, but you never showed any interest in that.

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And again:

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

Also, you didn't answer my question about your lie saying I arranged a friendly war. Do you know who is the kingdom that waved us? If you do, can you get the monarch to post here to confirm your lies?

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Originally Posted by flogger

I don't talk to french people

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I legit laughed

So much of twist n turns that doesn't help much to deny the fact that Emeriti connected to Bour n planned this mess up. After reading 70 pages n still it doesn't convince the public that Emeriti is right. Should really just stop n apologise.

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

Also, it would have been quite easy for me to feed you bank acres considering I was still 2k acres, had 4 days of eowcf has dwmerch on low draft. When I got oow, I explored 1k acres and still had millions more gcs to spend, all I needed to do was train some elites. It would have been INCREDIBLY easy for me and my kingdom to feed you cows' acres, but you never showed any interest in that.

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You are a fool, you just don't get it, do you? You weren't supposed to raze into EOWCF, not ever, not even once, especially not EXACTLY HOW THE LOGS TOLD YOU TO DO IT. The moment YOU did that, everything out the window - any and ALL transgressions became part of the AWAR. YOU started the AWAR.

YOU AHOLE!

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Originally Posted by Nirule

So much of twist n turns that doesn't help much to deny the fact that Emeriti connected to Bour n planned this mess up. After reading 70 pages n still it doesn't convince the public that Emeriti is right. Should really just stop n apologise.

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Thats because no matter how much they talk they can't refute that they were part of a conspiracy. Bour was the operative actor. Emeriti were the conspirators. Everything else is just tweaks on that in terms of damages and faint attempts at rehabilitation.

yeah ... I stopped reading few pages ago ... its way past points words matter anyway

abs ppl are too used to talking their way out of ****plays they are unable to stop. Fact they were able to talk their way out due to position of power and not reason eludes them

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

Maybe you didn't read well so I'll repost:



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not to worry after it is all over and you watch your dirty friends die your little ghetto prov will be at zero also

If you warred a friendly kd, doodoo, then why on earth would you expect any of us to believe that we would somehow convince your friends to log here and post calling you, their friends, out. What reality do you live in?

ASF - How long have you been doing diplo? Come on man...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how badly flogger was baiting you in the "proof" that you posted. He already had his evidence at that point and knew what his plans would be...he was just toying with you.

*yawn*

Amazing how there is one huge thread talking about one topic that is pretty much on repeat for the past 3 weeks.

*You cheated!*
*No You cheated!*

Everyone is concerned n affected over the issues of "what factored the situation" while Emeriti keeps mumbling about the "after-factored situation". Importantly x = factor = Emeriti & Co & Bour.

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Originally Posted by Chuck

If you warred a friendly kd, doodoo, then why on earth would you expect any of us to believe that we would somehow convince your friends to log here and post calling you, their friends, out. What reality do you live in?

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So what you're saying is that you claim I arranged a friendly war (where I lost 1 of my 3 cows) but you don't have any evidence of your claim?

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Originally Posted by doordie

so what you're saying is that you claim i arranged a friendly war (where i lost 1 of my 3 cows) but you don't have any evidence of your claim?

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you razed into eowcf exactly like the logs said you should do it; you started the awar

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Originally Posted by DoOrDie

So what you're saying is that you claim I arranged a friendly war (where I lost 1 of my 3 cows) but you don't have any evidence of your claim?

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Well You Bour atleast you are better than Fpyro in arranging fake wars and not getting caught!

I felt the cr - AMA thread was more interesting to read compared to this thread.

Maybe there's no elit around to spice thing

Surely this one is missing some key thread motivating community figures that the CR/AMA thread had, plus at this stage it just feels like it's being kept alive with weak discussion by people who want to reach 160 pages. ;)

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Originally Posted by citadela01

abs ppl are too used to talking their way out of ****plays they are unable to stop.

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You realize that the other side of this conflict is full of former ABS players as well, right? Are their words also empty? Like, for instance, former ABS player flogger's words? This use of the ABS label is so conveniently one-sided...

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Originally Posted by Verminator

You realize that the other side of this conflict is full of former ABS players as well, right? Are their words also empty? Like, for instance, former ABS player flogger's words? This use of the ABS label is so conveniently one-sided...

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There is a difference between being a profilic Absalom leader/player then being a random grunt imo.

Verm,

It makes as much sense as labeling pyro as fake pyro.

/me shrugs.

No one ever said uto makes sense. In fact, I think during one of my tirades once upon a time, Korp and most of the posters in this thread took great pains to point out to me that uto does not make sense. Once I accepted that, the game became a lot more rational and I was able to just let go and roll with it.

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Originally Posted by Korp

There is a difference between being a profilic Absalom leader/player then being a random grunt imo.

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Which is why terms like "abs ppl" are inaccurate here, the term "former abs leaders" is much more appropriate to the situation. And I'm going out on a very strong limb saying that flogger was much closer to a leader than a grunt. ;)

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Originally Posted by Verminator

Which is why terms like "abs ppl" are inaccurate here, the term "former abs leaders" is much more appropriate to the situation. And I'm going out on a very strong limb saying that flogger was much closer to a leader than a grunt. ;)

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So former abs leaders arent abs people?

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Originally Posted by Korp

So former abs leaders arent abs people?

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Former abs people are not all former abs leaders.

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Originally Posted by Verminator

Former abs people are not all former abs leaders.

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But all former Abs leaders are abs people.

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Originally Posted by Korp

But all former Abs leaders are abs people.

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But not all former abs people are abs leaders.

The statement was "abs people do this and that" which is not accurate, because not all abs people did this and that. Context, context, context.

If the statement was "abs leaders do this and that" then it would have been accurate.

Are we at 160 pages yet?

Thats a sad argument, then you can never talk in broad terms ever. Do you specify every little thing you talk about "People are idiots" isnt true, "Utopians are douchebags" not all of em etc.

May I ask: how much is enough ?
True to some extent that emeriti did some plays against ethic in the eyes of other big kingdoms. But after all the actions by the anti abs alliance , isn't ur actions as bad as what emeriti had done?
Can kindly let us know:
What is this awar leading to?
What is flogger trying to achieve here?
Already 2-3 kingdoms are destroyed. But not emeriti
Shouldn't u go straight to the culprits?
Kill the leader first ? And end all this?

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Originally Posted by Verminator

Which is why terms like "abs ppl" are inaccurate here, the term "former abs leaders" is much more appropriate to the situation. And I'm going out on a very strong limb saying that flogger was much closer to a leader than a grunt. ;)

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I'm fairly certain that flogger was in Abs court, and 100% certain that he ran an Abs kingdom as a monarch for multiple ages, so I'd say you kept that one rather close to the tree trunk. Considering SnirpsneR was also a former Abs leader, I'd say your argument is rather spot on. There's no way this whole thing is "abs vs anti-abs". There are just as many former abs leaders in BB/ancillary KDs as there are in Emeriti/ancillary KDs.

The smart former abs people aren't in Emeriti.

(still annoying kd name to type)

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Originally Posted by SnirpsneR

The smart former abs people aren't in Emeriti.

(still annoying kd name to type)

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That's rather rude to say, but you're allowed to have your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that this whole PR stunt to make this GB into "abs vs anti-abs" is false since you have just as many former abs leaders as we do.