I don't know...scan a bill/piece of mail into computer and email it in showing two names at same address or do what they do to verify the babysitting. Oh wait...they don't verify that do they? Go figure...next point?
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I don't know...scan a bill/piece of mail into computer and email it in showing two names at same address or do what they do to verify the babysitting. Oh wait...they don't verify that do they? Go figure...next point?
@ Bishop
Palem and I have discussed a time limit a page or so back. Have you guys looked into that? If it is a possibility, what kind of time frame would we be looking into that before it could be implemented? It is a very fair and honest solution to this crisis for most. I'm not freaking out like the rest, I have asked politely for a good solution to keep myself and Nancy from being split up.
Thank you.
That would make life a little easier to Nancy and I to play in the same kingdom but still deal with the restrictions.
go start a ****ing suggestion thread about why Sitting should be changed/removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElusiveWitch
using sitting as an arguement that the whitelist should be allowed is retarded. you seem to be obsessed with it, and while its related, its not whats being discussed. Making sarcastic comments about how babysitting feature is broken isnt accomplishing anything for you. If you havent figured that out by now hopefully you will hear me out on it. If you want something changed, go make a well thought out post in the suggestions forum, complete with your "suggestion"!!!
quit *****ing tho its just annoying
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Originally Posted by DDodge
Oh my, a little touchy are we? Its only **tch*** because YOU dont agree with it. Its a very valid comparison. Pay $10 you can run a multi, use a free address you can't do this, you can't do that. Truth hurts huh or maybe its you have someone in your kd that pays to play?
Talk about a double standard....Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
There is no way to verify that whitelisted accounts are being played by two different people that I know of. But what I am arguing about is this system penalizes the honest player and not the cheater. I wouldn't even know where to begin to get around this IP cheat catcher but I would be willing to bet that a guy who is cheating has already figured it out.
All I wanted when I started playing this game again was to be able to have some fun in the SAME kingdom with my daughter. Pretty simple isn't it? Whitelisting provided my daughter and me the opportunity to do just that. Before whitelisting we didn't play since we couldn't be in the same kingdom. I taught her how to play the game and basically got her hooked on it.
So to summarize, this new system will in reality only effect the honest player.
How do you stop someone from cheating? That question has been going on since the game started. This isn't the answer. How do you prove that you are an honest player with 2 people actually playing the accounts? I haven't got a clue and I'm sure you don't either.
Joker, you are fighting a losing battle. It doesn't affect him like it does us so it he's all for it. Let something affect his kd and watch how loud he whines.
This seems to be the at the heart of the issue. You might be able prove that there are actually two people living under the same roof and sharing an IP address but you can't prove who's accessing the accounts. Well ok, you could use camera observation but who has time to watch all of that? The solution chosen by the devs is terrible however and if it isn't disabled or at least changed, I fear that Utopia will lose some honest dedicated players over this. Many of those have invited the other to play and while they play in the same kingdom they often encourage each other to keep playing. Unless there is a big ad campaign going on, players inviting friends will remain the most important source of new players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElusiveWitch
I have no suggestions on how, at this moment. I can think, however, of some basic steps to stop gross abuse: with out getting rid of basic game functions: you can stop scripted attacks. The power in mass multiple accounts lies in scripting. It would be easy to detect a kingdom full of multiple accounts. In short: I cannot think of any solutions for small scale cheating, I can however, think of ways to stop mass cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
Edit: and I think I should re-point out that the new system, and, the old systems, as they have been shown to me -- do not stop small scale cheating. I think that any solution against cheating that black lists basic game functions is bad, and, self destructive.
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Actions, bishop, speak louder than words. Your words fall on deaf ears when the actions are the exact opposite. Think on it. How can they think the best of everyone and give preventative measures? They ensure we follow their rules, knowing if they didn't we still will? Why do it then, if they think the best of everyone? Actions, not words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop
You can't enjoy the game with these restrictions and play together. I have deleted my account and so has my daughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
If they won't allow us to play together in the same KD fairly with the same advantages you have as a "solo" player, it just isn't worth it.
The main reason I even posted was to try and get some people to open their eyes to what this does. It isn't as simple as catching cheaters. The big picture is that you take away from people that like the game and played by the rules.
I could easily play the game again myself but it doesn't have the same appeal without my daughter in the KD. It was a lot of fun for both of us. Her learning to play and me teaching. Now, two won't play again unless someone comes up with a way to really stop cheating which is IMO a pipe dream.
Actually if you had any reading comprehension every thing I said was relevant. I don't have a problem with sitting. I was only using it to show how absurd and useless this new "anti cheating" program is. Sorry you haven't learned to compare/contrast things and have to insult people when you don't agree or maybe its you just don't comprehend.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDodge
I cba to read this thread or whatever people are saying cuz its so long but I do have 1 thing to add....
Why are people crying about cheaters? Is there some problem with scripted multi attacks or something that I'm not aware of? Cheating wasn't even a problem in the 20's when all of the top kingdoms were always at risk of getting 5+ deletions if any oldschool trade went awry. Not a big enough problem to ruin the game anyways, but now? LOL cheating not a problem now. I see this as wasted time and effort by our devs and I'm not surprised, they've never shown too much intelligence when it comes to the changes they are implementing.
Long Story Short: game is already dead and your worried about cheating? lol
soo what about the people that only have one isp option? are we ****ed?
29 page thread and not a single person (unless I'm mistaken; I've read every post, but I might have missed something) has brought up that a province can only be sat for 3 weeks TOTAL in a given age.
"To prevent abuse, province sitting must last for at least 3 days, but for no more than 3 weeks in total in a given age."
I'm divided about other issues discussed in this thread, but I would like to point out to anyone who has said province sitting is a pay-to-win advantage, a legal, but paid version of multi-ing, etc.: you're wrong.
If a province can only be sat for 3 weeks, what are you going to do for the rest of the age? Then a sat province is only useful as a farm. But then remember you can only sit a province in your own kd and it's not really an advantage to waste one of your 25 provs on a small farm that has to be restarted every 3 weeks since it can't be sat for longer than that. And if the devs really wanted to prevent farming of the sat prov, you could easily just put in a block so that provs in the same kd as the sat prov cannot steal from, plunder or TM the sat province; only raze it to kill it (so as to not interfere with killing off inactives).