Techincally for me eowcf is still war since both kingdoms are still in war but I dont see how that should stop people steakling or plundering them kds that are in eowcf since all hostile actions between the kingdoms in war has stopped.
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Techincally for me eowcf is still war since both kingdoms are still in war but I dont see how that should stop people steakling or plundering them kds that are in eowcf since all hostile actions between the kingdoms in war has stopped.
They lost their crown chance because they acted like assholes enough times that someone decided that enough is enough lets go punish these people.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickyMeal
Personally I think it's a suitable punishment. If it happens repeatedly and you tell them to stop and they continue you need to send some sort of escalated response because they obviously doesn't respond to niceties like diplomacy, the application of force however is something most people understand instinctually and ruining their chance of crowning sends a suitable message.
Sa1nts are the only pussies here, they repeatedly acted like assholes and apparently didn't bother to a request to stop, this could all have been prevented but Sa1nts chose not to and in the end got what they deserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickyMeal
Doesn't take much to tell your kdmates to not target kd's in eowcf when you are plundering. Same reason you would tell your kdmates to not make stupid hits into kd's that are obviously going to respond or give relations to kd's that can respond with ops. If they do in fact hit into eowcf, give that person a warning so they know not to do that and possible removal from kd if they continue to make idiotic target choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by qicquser1
It doesn't take long for them to realize that your kd does not stand for making stupid hits.
The fact that it looks like multiple kd's throughout the entire age that have said Saints have hit into their eowcf makes me think that it's not just 1 random hit from someone in your kd... but more of an order from leadership to 'hit into X:X who is in eowcf and has lots of gold'.
Just an observation. I am not in any kd that was hit by you in eowcf so I can't comment from either side... but you being a leader saying you cannot monitor every hit your kdmates make is kind of BS in that you can set precedence for what they should and should not hit.
Eowcf is mechanically war for the morally inept. If you need to hear that's it's not actually war then you are morally inept.
* what I find laughable is the notion that immorality, like stealing eowcf gold, requires an etiquette system of equal consequence. My friends, once you open that door the consequences are as deep as a vengeful imagination can be. - being immoral is poor strategy because you have no idea how much further your opponent will go. You brought a knife to a gun fight is such an analogy *
Exactly, well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by StratOcastle
I dont get why people think eowcf is some magical thing that should protect you from everyhting that out there. .
Because people like protection
Because its magical.
Btw, this thread is getting way out of hand. from a poll EoWCF = War, to what type of leadership I am, to whether a kingdom/person is morally inept.
Stay on the thread and discuss why you think EoWCF considered war or otherwise.
did sillies actively hit into EoW cf's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
What does that have to do with anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
lol you are just as bad as abs, both in-game and your non-stop BS on forums after ****-play. at least man up and admit you are douche just like all the rest of us. Glad we got to shakes things up and show everyone true colour!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
Is winning a color? If so Elit is showing his true colors
Im confused - war is something when ppl do attacks. War ends when one kd surrenders or the peace is reached.
End of war CF is period right after a war which is needed for kds to regroup. Thus eowcf is not a war.
The poll shows that ppl consider it as a war. But I think ppl with this poll wants to show that attacks into war and attacks into eowcf is considered a major crime.
Which is bottom line - attacking into war and attacking into eowcf is punishable action (according to seflregulation of utopia's crowd, theres for sure odd individuals who disagree).
But I dont think that attacking into war is good punishment for attacking into eowcf. The punishment for a crime should be proportional to that crime. But then again - victim has his own subjective vision about the dimension of the punishment. 3rd parties can ofcourse interfere.
punishment has to be more severe than the crime....otherwise hows it a deterrant?
just trying to see if some1 like elu would let his players hit into EoW cfs repeatidly and ignore requests to stop and then claim its not up to him to stop his players doing lame things like that over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
the difference here is sa1nts did this over and over and were asked to stop and ignored all requestes. if it's 1 hit then fine you deal with and move on, that seems to not be the case here.
how can a kingdom leader have so light control over his/her kingdom to claim they have no idea their players are repeatidly hitting into other peoples EoW cfs?
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Originally Posted by fuzzy|
I think you are confused about the topic of this thread. May I suggeset you read the OP again then come back? Anyway Ive stated my opinion what I feel about eowcf, should be pretty clear imo.
how sad is the state of affairs that we're actually debating this?
has hitting into EoW cf now become the new OOW vulturing of the days gone by?
provs finish a war in pretty bad shape and in most cases cannot defend themselves but hey look there's a kid with candy.....
as for telling me to re-read the topic bla bla - go to page 7 of this thread and you should see what I was on about.
There is a difference between vulturing a kingdom that was just oow and plundering a kingdom that sits on countless of millions of gc on low draft and no protection at all. In my days we used to call that foolishly stupid. But I guess, you're a softer generation that needs to be pampered with. You were replying to my post then you bring up something that had no relations at all to what i wrote and to your reply, i fail to see what somebody posted on page 7 would make it any more logical.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
in your days? i bet ive been playing for just as long as you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
its got 0 to do with being pampered - its respecting others who have just finished warring and need to regroup.
but hey, x prov gets chained to 300 - has close to 0 army when war ends and then tries to rebuild itself, go plunder it, go hit a harmless prov that cannot hit back - thats big of any1 that does that.
anywho this convo is getting boring very fast - people play by different codes. i'll stick to mine and others stick to theres.
Of course it has to do with pampering, you demand that people shall be able to sit on low draft collect money and nobody should be able to touch them cause that would be "Bad". Eowcf is just a new form of fake war.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
how many kingdoms are actively hitting into EoW cfs at the moment?
this is the 1st time it has come up in a major conversation.
very few people do it because its a lame move.
edit: sure kingdoms have done it before but not at a strat.
agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
can't see why ppl cannot respect kd that is rebuilding.
eowcf still has war status limitation - science being limited to active, no paradise spell and exploration cost is still high. chain province will still take alot time to rebuild repump wizards.
all i can say is if people insist hitting into eowcf then they should expect repercussions in their active war.
agreed with all you said and will add:Quote:
Originally Posted by fenrost
the aggressor picks when he/she hits into another kingdom so why should the targeted kingdom not get to pick when he/she gets to retaliate?
So you know about everything that happends within Utopia? Man, how do you have time for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
clearly you do to seeing how you give your opinion on nearly everything that gets posted on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Korp EoW cf hitting has never been a big issue, you now why? because its not been something that people deploy as a strat. I still don't get why we're debating it, I agree with everyone its not against game rules but it is lame to do it over and over and ignoring people asking you to stop.
as for you saying earlier that EoW cf is now a new form of FW - lol you're clutching thing air there. The game is designed to have an EoW cf period. FW is banned and is against the game rules. If EoW cf period was against game rules it would not exist.
hmm i'd love to get thoughts on this topic from people like z00t, elurin, cheese, mod, proteus, mansoor, cgg, delm etc
anyway its zzzztime for me.
have a nice weekend korp and all
Back in those days, once a kingdom surrenders/MP, both kingdoms come out of war right away. It is up to kingdoms to set fortify stance and rebuild. Usually the mechanism, to let both rebuild is to agree to a date where kingdoms actually push the surrender button/accept MP. They utilize the time agreed to rebuild.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
The EoWCF, technically is same mechanism that have the same functions as the above. This is to eliminate the hassle to agreeing to such terms and most kingdoms will break it. So it is legalizing something which is illegal back in those days. It is the best move from utopia thus far.
So EoWCF is not war. As to "is hitting into EoWCF/war same?", make another poll. :)
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Originally Posted by qicquser1
very persistent :) start the thread dude :) why not ask, is stealing/plundering a kd in EOWCF lame or not?
You make another poll if you wish to know. Because I understand the differences between them. I'm persistent because is logical, is not acceptable as people said is morally inept, but logical that EoWCF is not war.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenstein
The difference ain't all that huge, it's comparable to somone spite wd'ing from war(meaning you don't arrange for a cessation in hostilities at the end of war to allow both participants to retrain and fortify their acres(for those who might not harken from the days of yore) and getting vultured right out of that war because you didn't have a fw conveniently at hand. In both situations you're pretty much unable to resist whatever somebody throws at you, the difference being that eowcf gives you 75% gains protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
No **** sherlock, eowcf was created to remove the neccessity of fw's(one of the reasons for fw's anyway) so yes it's obviously the new fw because that's exactly what it's intended to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
Actually it is a very accurate comparison fuzzy, fw's were legal back then, or at least not acted upon(which is the same as saying it's allowed) and very often used for the exact same purpose as eowcf is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
will court punish the thief to death if he/she only stole something else but didn't kill anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanReborn
I'm trying to be neutral here, anyway this is just a game and you may over react if you want though. :)
Be careful what you stole , some of utopian community is quite cruel here and he/she will kill you for that. This is what I noticed so far .
Of course it isn't war. People make all sorts of spurious claims as to what counts as "fake war" or not, but claiming cease-fire with no attacks is still war...jeez...the buses really don't go where some of you guys live.
no idea why anyone ties these analagies to the game. Stealin in real life and killing someone in real life, both massively different.Quote:
Originally Posted by worldwar1
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However steal in real like, risk prison for a few years (hmm one action or se tof actions over 2 months say, could end in multiple years of your life going missing or being wasted. Unless u stole so much that u lived like a king when u got out of prison it would;t e more linient than the crime. You could go oldschool and have your hand chopped off.
Now then i can get behind this analagy, your kingdom steals (when deem inappropriate by a majority) so you lose a hand, or yor province is reset beacause of prison for 3 utopian months
analagies are like statistics, 75% don;t make sense, 46% are taken into the wrong context, and 99% are made up to support an argument.
Statistics are fun!
analagies less so.....not even amusing :P
I was wondering why this has become a hot topic and the only reason I could come up with is because as more and more of the players / leaders who play this game with decent standards / morale's slowly leave the game thus leaving more and more players / leaders who prefer to use lame tactics.
Even when we had kingdoms like SL and Puffy playing this was never an issue because it happened so rarely.
I would try and link it to the old BF server but alas my memory isn't that good :(
I agree with everyone that says its not against game rules to hit into EoW cf but come on its still lame.
So, you say something then when confronted you cant provide enough proof of your claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
It has not been known to be a big issues since nobody came the forums upset about getting hit into eowcf is a more likely scenario.
It provides the exact the same function and your logic falters when you claim that if eowcf was against the rules it would not exist. They made a legal way of fw instead which would be eowcf like the way they didnt get rid of trading either they made it legal.
Not at all. I just can't be bothered to argue with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korp
but then to answer you - no I do not have time to sit here monitory 24/7. I do however talk and listen to people.
you play the game the way you want to play it and I play the game the way I want to play it - we will argue on many things but hey that's the way of life and life is to short to spend it arguing with someone all day.
if you want to utilize / condone lame tactics (albeit not against game rules) then that's up to you.
KD C, Things become complicated, when the time you decided to PK.
Ppl farm you, may be they just disagree with your decision perhaps.
I read almost every single topic created. Seem everyone disagree with atk during EOWCF.
However, nobody say you are right, when you PK.
You lose half of your resources, or even less when ppl plunder. How long you need to get it back. Your resources is generating every single hour.
What about PK, ppl need to wait for another 72 hour. Then still need several days to rebuild.
Or, ppl just dont want to play utopia anymore.
Utopia player are getting lesser and lesser.
When a KD larger than you and hit you. You said they bully & farm you.
1 question : Every single atk that KD C make are always targeted the KD range similar to your size ?
your KD never bully those small KD even less than 20 players ?