I think you're underplaying the importance of economy and science late game. Your examples exclude circumstances and environment under which they crowned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
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I think you're underplaying the importance of economy and science late game. Your examples exclude circumstances and environment under which they crowned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Pete
Give me your Orc merchant and I'll show you how to properly run one.
Pumping sciences whether your an Orc or a Dwarf at some point in the age is proper province management when competing late age. If you have under 1500-2k bpa with an Orc Merchant this age u suck plain and simple. I've never had under 1500 bpa even using an Orc Warrior or Orc Tactician. Orcs aren't the easiest race to play with the bad economy maybe Pew Pew should stick to an easier race/pers like Human merchant
What are you talking about alan? You are making your own little thread within the thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by alan03
You are confusing.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrified
Don't backstab and betray allies and maybe you'll get your clean war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrified
Because binbin4crown.
duh.
Spew spew and AMA are not allied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
Please stop just venturing guesses and presenting them as facts from on high.
My only comment is both of you two are reaching historic levels of being terrible at diplom, there's no reason either of you shouldn't have hashed it out a month ago, and if you couldn't do it yourself, I woulda been happy to tell you who was being the idiot. One age of trying to out farm people isn't worth the general reaming you're all going to experience once abs takes advantage of the discord.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Snowstorm
I'm not but hurt, you guys were the ones who embarassed yourselves last age, I never had someone reset themselves to avoid farming out before so it was fun to witness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrified
You guys run Orc every single age, doesn't even seem like any strategy going on there when you consistently pick one of the worse races for competing in the top at any point in the age. Your weakness as a kingdom is whoever does strats and setups does not have a solid understanding of prov and game mechanics as I have said before. Last age you were surprised by how much science we had and accused us of "hiding" it by not investing which is a common strat, you could have easily estimated our bpa and not been surprised even if we didnt show it.
And if you picked Orc merc with the goal of beating Abs your goal was essentially to be the cannon fodder for AMA/BB this age rather than have any realistic chance of winning, a choice you yourself made.
so to sum this up Proteus:
crown4binbin ?
Let's all raze AMA and PP just for having stupid ass kingdom names.
So you would war them early in the age when you have the upperhand but not later on when they supposidly have the upperhand? game should change to suit your needs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrified
we would still pwn your silly UD/Orc setup Fuzzy :)
I'm glad someone here believes in good kingdom names, but I'll give both a pass on cute. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by DHaran
Guess it's an easier pill to swallow when kingdoms with cute names are practitioners of violence.
Binar, you are taking the role that Rage had over you last age. You are in a good position due to having CFs with all worthy opponents, and now you spend the rest of the age hitting kds way below your position. Do me a favor and stop acting like its a big accomplishment fighting our kd via a double hostile. We hold 0 advantages. You have superior science, wpa and you have banks thanks to your aabs alliance which you later left - so yes you would pwn our "silly" ud/orc core setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Binar
Im amazed you forget so easily. You were quick to throw rocks at Proteus last age for being a bully and prolong a hostile when he had all the cards in his deck, but now that you're top dog, you act just like he/they did.
If you had kept out of range you would have had your eoa secured - instead you accepted his war offer and grew into range. If you hadn't, you would not be faced with having to mass reset like you did.
Atleast you had a choice, we didn't.
Well game has become bad because it's no real fighting going on, the costs are enormous and that's why things are happening like they are. Bigger kds get exponentially stronger with the amount of time they are bigger, that means smaller kds are further and further behind for every day of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
It's all about what kind of game we want, to me it's obvious nobody likes the drama right now. But it is because of a reason.
Perhaps the exploration formula should be affected by relative kd size aswell or something, because smaller kds don't have a chance later in the age.
But the easiest thing would be to get double amount of players. Perhaps even decrease size of kingdoms...
drama because 50% of those that still play this game have low standards / ethics and will do anything to win while 49% play for fun + fairly and 1% play to keep accounts alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost
there is very little honour / respect for others left in this game.
its becoming worse and worse each age because those leaders that play with honour have left..... and as so we're left with fewer leaders who play fairly and so are poor at this game they can only win by using underhand tactics as a pose to doing things in the right way (again lack of game knowledge).
Flogger is still playing. And if ABS gets back next age, honor and fair play should be better served :)Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
I think you re wrong, all the leaders are doing what they can, it doesn't matter who they are, wether it is AMA, ABS, PewPew or any other kd.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuzzy|
It's when it gets out here in the forums that it becomes black and white, but every leader knows this. No matter how hard you try to pay fair, you will get screwed one way or another.
And it isn't because others are "worse" than you, it's simply because some want to win, others don't and some want to troll, everyone has their motives.
Just take a look, friends become enemies, enemies become allies, and it's because the game gets devided into "islands" of similar kingdom pools and their ability to act is severely limited without enormous risks, so everyone does the best they can. They dodge, they go to war, they disband, they form alliances.
Game dynamics have been severely limited, and these happenings are a result of that. One wrong decision a kd leader makes, affects the kd too much at the end of the age, I believe it should not be that way.
Its for 2 main reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost
1. how work sci system. If you can buy books like in past you can stay on 500 acres and pump good sci for 3k acres but now if you spend alot time on 1k acres and grow to 3k your have zero chances vs provinces spend alot time on 3k.
2. Relation system is complete broken and lead to broken honor system. In past honor was balance for counter land. High honor kds can success fight vs much bigger kds but now its not possible because you cant gain real honor in hostile. Need to modify relation system similar to past with "declare hostile" make your honor gains from ops/hits better and "declare peace" prevent kds end trapped in war but loss all black ops/honor gains bonuses vs target kd.
And after all the drama next age Absalom comes back, and AABs disbands :D
Yes I agree with you, you get punished very much for a misstake you make, or even if you meet an enemy that's better than you. In one war you re out of the game baisicly. I agree honor system is really dumb, it was better earlier because you could get it. But there was a problem that big kds had the honor, land and nw all at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
I believe that the game is "slow" you need to devote a lot of time investing in siences, military etc in order to keep up. If the game was "faster" the misstakes wouldn't mean so much.
One can say whatever they want. But Absalom gone is the best thing that happened to utopia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soul_Hunter
Every set we had problems with them. And look what happened to Elit, and Mansoor.
Not to mention that once you had a deal with abs, the deal would change, one way or another, and it would never be in your favour.
Like Proteus said, nobody "vultures" his ally. No matter if it's 1 on 1. Abs get to decide what is a proper war and what is not, and they decided when to war and when not.
No thanks, no ABS, at least not in the way they were doing it.
Its why Simians is mad on AMA. If we don't hit SWEA its bad for not help ally, if we hit SWEA its unfair power play for them because after it "Simians can farm them fair in 1vs1".Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost
Well Elit, the choices ain't easy, and it's because there are no targets. And humans have emotions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elit
In the top, you loose the popularity contest ! There is no possible way to win that crown !
Little late to the argument, but AMA is a pretty solid kd-name imo.
Elit wins all crowns by default. NBC: Natural born crowner!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurking Ghost
Its always Simians. All thread is for Simians. :)
Only because others make it about them
The way that I see it is as follows:
Pew Pew NOTICED Jerks, before any of this bs started.
Mr Curious came to me asking if we could war to avoid Pew Pew (which I have stated from the start I don't think is a problem, hiding from Kingdom A with a war with a better suited Kingdom B so it is not an all out farm out). We had zero notice clause with Jerks so that could have gone down), I however had just gotten out of hospital and was still light headed from strong pain meds so I suggested Mr Curious or Pendel or Celien talk to Cody and send him an in game message. I don't know the result of that due to said issues with hospital and I haven't been keeping up with it, however I'd assume Cody either was uncontactable or the end result was a sorry but we can't help you.
This part on is as assumption because I only read parts of the argument from all sides, but this is my personal opinion of events that happened thereafter:
Jerks didn't want to give free wave to Pew Pew (which they are in their rights to do), so Pew Pew were still going to wave them when notice expired.
AMA hit jerks before their own notice expired (need clarification on this please).
Pew Pew then did EXACTLY what AMA did to them and said, you run from us we will hit you anyway (Elit logic).
Is it right what Pew Pew did? No, but that is the SAME as it isn't right what Elit did. So do I have any sympathy for AMA? No.
Do I have sympathy for Jerks? Yeah a little, but I don't think they had the best diplomacy in this situation. Still, they basically ended up the meat between the sandwich, as Strippers have been many an occasion this age, so I do feel sorry for them being caught up in the middle of this, perhaps now they have a small taste of what we've felt all age.
A few questions remain:
Did Jerks approach AMA to let them know that Pew was going to take their acres and they would rather AMA have them?
Did AMA know of Pew Pew's notice and hit before Pew Pew, which is not a good way to "treat their allies", which is the reason they justified what they did to Strippers?
Jerks approached AMA and informed them of our wave, they even threatened to farm out to AMA. and yes AMA knew of it, and wanted the easy acres before we had a chance to hit. The ONLY difference here is when AMA waved into our ACTIVE war with strippers.. we did NOT wave in to an active war between AMA/Jerks. And to hear them cry "double hostile" is a joke because Jerks only sent out 5 times to push the meter to hostile towards AMA and kept their remaining amies home to retal on us. The only reason they sent out 5x against AMA was to make Pew look bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamin
Why is it up to Pew to decide what is a hostile and isn't? Where do you draw the line? Isn't it just a slippery slope to deciding, oh hey this war isn't legitimate, let's wave into it as well?
You guys cried for pages about how AMA hitting into your war was bull****. Are you telling me that if AMA had hit Strippers after five hits it would be acceptable because it wasn't a "real" hostile?? No, I didn't think so.
I think by doing this you guys lost any credence you had in your complaint that what AMA did was wrong. You basically did the exact same thing as them: decided that a conflict was illegitimate or insufficient, then took the liberty of hitting into it because you felt entitled to acres.
Did Jerks do anything to deserve you hitting us while we were hostile with another kingdom? No. The truth is that in most other ages, this would have been considered bull****, regardless of what you think about it. The only reason you guys are able to do it is because of your previous dispute with AMA.
Petri, you don't get to decide what is a hostile and what isn't. You talk **** in this thread about farming us and say you did nothing inappropriate... you could at least own the fact that it's wrong of you guys to hit into our hostile, and that the real justification for doing so is your bad blood with AMA. To say that you are completely right to hit into our hostile is just disingenuous and lacks integrity. One would think that considering you guys have had two instances of people hitting into your conflicts this age, that you would have a better attitude.
again get your facts straight - we sent x5 armies at AMA and earlier we had sent out 2 (maybe 3 - i was at work and they were anon hits) making it 7 or 8 provs with armies out + we were gathering out inactives to hit when you started doubling us.Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
you can try and justify this as much as you want but when you spew out BS facts it makes you look stupid.
have a nice day.
Alot of questions Jamin, but i will try to answer them the best that i can.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamin
Firstly, no we have no notice deal with AMA, only a blank ingame CF which could be removed at any given time. Yes, we informed AMA that Pew gave notice and no we did not offer up our acres. We informed AMA in a attempt for them to run talks with Pew to negotiate a status quo deal. I told Elit i would retal him if he just came for acres, but he said he would, and he did. In the middle of our retal, Pew double hostiled us like the greedy douches they sadly turned out to be. Both kds should just fight eachother and stop using us as a middle ground to run their cold war.
AMA are our allies, and Petrified ran some nice arrogant diplo which pissed me/us off. Those 2 things combined leads me to say: Why would we not try to avoid giving acres to Pew?
Petrified told me flat out our kds had no relations and no friendly ties, so why would he give me anything. So again, why would i want to help him.
I offered them a quick fix solution. If they would reinstate notice/cf we would guarantee that AMA would get none of our acres either (confirmed by Elit) - to keep a status quo between #1 and #2. That was rejected.
I talked to HoH, Rage & Strippers concerning a possible war, as id rather fight a even war then have to hostile a kd trying to vulture smaller kds. I dont see why i shouldn't try to get us a war where we would stand a fighting chance, rather then just let Pew take acres they did not deserve.
I am sorry you feel we had bad diplo in this matter - i of course dont agree.
And ty Jamin for feeling alittle sorry for us :P
I call bull****. You make your statements like they are facts, when the truth is you know jack ****. So stop acting like you know anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sydex
Yes we informed AMA as they are our allies, wtf is it to you?
No we did not offer them free acres, as our retals showed. Pendel tried reasoning with petrified, which is like talking to a wall.
We had 2-3 provs out on randoms, and we had no time to do more then 5 hits, before you jackasses double hostiled us and hit. We had texted/whatsapped and mailed everyone - but you would know right, because you play in our kd, wait no you dont.. You are a peon who gets told what has happened by your leaders - dont come here stating it as facts, when clearly you are wrong.
well said mateQuote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
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Originally Posted by MrCurious
Wait why where your allies hitting you again? You threaten to farm-out to get cf deal back, it fails, you start farming-out and then cry double hostile?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrCurious
The idea is good if you can pull it off, but you couldn't.
Obviously you fail to read what MrCurious are saying just because it doesnt fit the way you are trying to justify the ****play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Relic
This is the age of ****-play. Dont expect anyone to make any honorable strategic moves.
Agree!Quote:
Originally Posted by Anri