Panda vs bb

here is a crazy idea: how about a war summary and some comments on that war that supposedly is going on?

Anry is back *****es!

There's another thead in UtoNews. There's a summary there I believe.

From what we saw via SN's was that bb and panda cows are helping with the core chains and haven't hit each other yet. (I think we saw 2 huge massacres one 1 avian, and some land hits/razes on the ones that they do end up chaining)

The rest of the war kinda goes over my head. Big ups to leaders on both sides, I'd have passed out from exhaustion probably 5 days ago

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Originally Posted by Shai

here is a crazy idea: how about a war summary and some comments on that war that supposedly is going on?

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This right here is the real war it seems.

Didn't Anry try to poach a farm war from Pewproteus with a kingdom that thought they were in an alliance with Anry? (Alice or w.e) Trying to farm your allies is like woah, how do you sit upon that high horse after that? His kd mates then and now are suspect too. Vir intentionally farming out to BB as admitted before (then). Hesus intentionally farming out to Vir when in CR/Ex. The Pandas kd as a whole joining the Emeriti GB late to gain acres to try to dodge cj and have advantage.

And lets not forget the growing above Pew in order to wave them until they kicked out ovenmitt, that was as malicious and vindictive as it gets. You can't stand as a monument to nobility when your hands are that dirty and that's just recent ages.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Didn't Anry try to poach a farm war from Pewproteus with a kingdom that thought they were in an alliance with Anry? (Alice or w.e) Trying to farm your allies is like woah, how do you sit upon that high horse after that? His kd mates then and now are suspect too. Vir intentionally farming out to BB as admitted before (then). Hesus intentionally farming out to Vir when in CR/Ex. The Pandas kd as a whole joining the Emeriti GB late to gain acres to try to dodge cj and have advantage.

And lets not forget the growing above Pew in order to wave them until they kicked out ovenmitt, that was as malicious and vindictive as it gets. You can't stand as a monument to nobility when your hands are that dirty and that's just recent ages.

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Incorrect troll post for many reasons.

Vir is with CR this age. I dont think its a proud moment for Vir that his kd intentionally gave BB land in war but he came clean with it. Which should be respected. He did not need to tell a soul.

In regards to ovenmitt. He spied on our kd and was in pewpew. Thus we demanded the cheater to not be hosted by any top kd for at least the upcoming age. Pew had age prior maliciously dropped 80k land to wave us after having played in the top. Requesting unlimited waves on us. Ofc we pay them back with same respect. Binar and me are still friendly because we know the rules.

Alice was not our allies. Just a ghetto monarch i saw growing and did not want to farm out in the top to ruin gameplay for the rest. Knowing how ghetto they were it was a huge risk. I advised him to not war pewpew and instead drop out from top or share acres to both pewpew and us. Instead he got farmed and made pewpew #1 kd in a position where we almost could not beat them.

I love how you twist actual events to try and make me look bad when nothing that went down is border line.
Its funny you think we gb emeriti to gain land, i was looking for a reason over how they stole our crown the age before and most of all dealbroke Vir by eoa from his prov crown. ASF knows this and could easy confirm this. I told him we would screw them for that very reason before the previous age had ended. That some others started to gb emeriyi just made it easier.

Bye octobrev

As one of the guys who started Pandas can I just say... We haven't ran from any of the the top in our 3 ages. I'm proud to say that we've warred the majority of the top kds in our time whether advantages or disadvantaged BB now, Pyro last age, CJ Chrystal hell even ED Spartans and Fluffy all of which were good warring kds. It's not about crowning for me it's about the fun with guys who enjoy the game. Sure good and bad decisions have been made in the time CF that shouldn't have happened and things we got involved in we shouldn't have but that's life you make decisions and reflect like any person.

All this Simians **** annoys me because Anri wasn't here at the start of Pandas but just because he is now it doesn't mean the kds are the same they are totally different.

So really what I'm saying is......f**k you and have a nice day!

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Who did we make a farm deal for 5k acres with?

I'm curious to your supposed source since this is the second time I've heard that, but there's only one kd we've gained more than 2.4k from. Are you referring to your future donation, perhaps? 5k does seem a bit low for it though.

We also generally don't make deals that kds can't give other kds land, or as much land. Those are both interesting claims, though.

I have enjoyed the vilification campaign you and nesta have been on this age, quite amusing. Of course, while neither of you are "playing" but are getting in the way of those that are, and mostly just threaten to farm out if you don't get your way.

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Lolwut? My post said what the source is (leader in Panda). It was posted to argue against Anri.
When exactly have we threatened to farm out? I recall no such thing.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

You mean the deal that BB made with all competitors and came to us with? That doesn't sound like us forcing deals on people (though it wasn't particularly appropriate and we probably should have just farmed them, but didn't want to deal with them farming out to our competition if we did)

The issue was when they said they weren't competing, I believed them and expected them to behave like other top kds taking an age off - warring, not getting involved in the top.

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Because ultimately our goal was to be warring. You are very well aware why we ended up growing after seeing we had a shot to beat Emeriti. Claiming now we lied about our intentions is bull**** since I told you pretty much every move we made....

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Lol comedy at its finest, you told me and countless others who we could or couldn't hit.. or we would feel the wrath, pathetic.

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Good job quoting and reading out of context :)
Doing a random hit or noticing someone into eowcf etc is fairly different

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Originally Posted by Shai

here is a crazy idea: how about a war summary and some comments on that war that supposedly is going on?

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We started off the hostile with a pretty significant troop advantage, to the point of being kd wide on basically no peasants, pandas left about 3 peasants per acre and weren't nearly as trained. CR started the war about 15k acres ahead, so in order for us to win big enough to compete vs them a week or so later, the standard war where both sides' TMs go untouched and you just trade land, wouldn't do the trick. So I went with the strategy of trying to take down their TM land, and then find a way to farm the core land afterwards.

What I was a bit caught off guard with was I didn't expect pandas to outright give us the button. We kept soldiers around in case they bounced, trained them at the last minute, and we made stables late as well and at our BE's they needed about 2 days to fill the stables, thinking I was going to spend 3 waves going from 4 to 10 to 14 to give button. I didn't expect them to wave and give us button control as we had guys who could break their TMs.

The downside being that since we were topfeeding (2500-2700a attackers on 3200a faeries), they had to leave low defense to break the faeries, and their 3k acre avians were able to 2x, and then after a few rounds 3 and 4x. We made most of our TM's semi attackers and always planned on using them as attackers. Again, the only way to catch CR was to win big, so we had to run close to 25 attackers. In hindsight, we could have won the war, or made it 50/50 had we just traded hits on their avians with our bigger attackers, but vs their attack speed it wouldn't have been a big win or done us any good in the long run vs CR a week later.

Long hostile meter control is annoying, as we had way more offense and could way outhit them, but we never were able to without giving them control of the button, so our hitters had to eat some hits turtled, we never got econ going and pandas got their econ going. The war win bonus and 4 days of them cranking double guilds and decent sci mods made things like greed and FG really tough, so we were never able to GC starve them, so their econ flipped our troop advantage after a few days, so where in war we could only 2x to 2x on the core (whereas we started 3x to 2x)

Pandas made the right moves at the right time, hit the right guys at the right time most all war, and last age it took me 7 days of no sleep to beat em, they're a good kingdom. I didn't have 7 days of no sleep motivation this age given that I joined a few days in. In hindsight I think it would have been possible to just trade hits with their bigger avians and beat em down and we would have been left with the 3 banks and 6 hybrid attackers vs 5 dwarves, but I think our core gets trashed in doing that and the win wouldn't have been big enough to match CR.

Actually at the end, I made a nub mistake, I thought we had made it to day change and I thought when on 150 to 149, once daychange happenned, I had 30 more meter to play with. at 3 minutes before daychange I was mapping out making 20 hits on them. Then prot told me "you know we gotta wait till they hit, right"

I forgot they also went down to 120, so we had no meter left to play with when I wanted one more round to finish off the faes in hostile we did take down (as soon as we declared our med sized dudes suiciding on faes would be chained to where they are now, so we needed hostile to protect them). In theory I was going with trading 1 orc for 1 fae mystic is a good trade.

So when they didn't hit us after the tick I had to come up with a plan pretty quick while at work, it was some pretty bad semi chains I hoped would cause more over pop and give us NW range protection on our med sizes from NW range, but our med sizes had already been beat down hard enough in hostile they got trashed and are the 400a orcs ya see today. So when your open wave is designed to protect your medium and the medium gets immediately trashed, it was pretty clear from hour 5 of the war it was trouble. And speed generally kills, once the speedier kd gets in a good spot, it can turn into some big wins.

respect for flogger to post his thoughts which are quite interesting to read.

From an outsiders perspective it did appear that you were focusing too much on smashing TMs rather than seeing the more "overall" situation, which especially hurt in a case where you allow big avians with huge BR that can get too big too fast.

The only negative munk is that Flogger was looking ahead at CR and not the slow lumbering Pandas....

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Originally Posted by Cheetzy

The only negative munk is that Flogger was looking ahead at CR and not the slow lumbering Pandas....

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yup screw the future u win the war u are in a position to b2b and cause drama...drama is more fun

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Originally Posted by flogger

We started off the hostile with a pretty significant troop advantage, to the point of being kd wide on basically no peasants, pandas left about 3 peasants per acre and weren't nearly as trained. CR started the war about 15k acres ahead, so in order for us to win big enough to compete vs them a week or so later, the standard war where both sides' TMs go untouched and you just trade land, wouldn't do the trick. So I went with the strategy of trying to take down their TM land, and then find a way to farm the core land afterwards.

What I was a bit caught off guard with was I didn't expect pandas to outright give us the button. We kept soldiers around in case they bounced, trained them at the last minute, and we made stables late as well and at our BE's they needed about 2 days to fill the stables, thinking I was going to spend 3 waves going from 4 to 10 to 14 to give button. I didn't expect them to wave and give us button control as we had guys who could break their TMs.

The downside being that since we were topfeeding (2500-2700a attackers on 3200a faeries), they had to leave low defense to break the faeries, and their 3k acre avians were able to 2x, and then after a few rounds 3 and 4x. We made most of our TM's semi attackers and always planned on using them as attackers. Again, the only way to catch CR was to win big, so we had to run close to 25 attackers. In hindsight, we could have won the war, or made it 50/50 had we just traded hits on their avians with our bigger attackers, but vs their attack speed it wouldn't have been a big win or done us any good in the long run vs CR a week later.

Long hostile meter control is annoying, as we had way more offense and could way outhit them, but we never were able to without giving them control of the button, so our hitters had to eat some hits turtled, we never got econ going and pandas got their econ going. The war win bonus and 4 days of them cranking double guilds and decent sci mods made things like greed and FG really tough, so we were never able to GC starve them, so their econ flipped our troop advantage after a few days, so where in war we could only 2x to 2x on the core (whereas we started 3x to 2x)

Pandas made the right moves at the right time, hit the right guys at the right time most all war, and last age it took me 7 days of no sleep to beat em, they're a good kingdom. I didn't have 7 days of no sleep motivation this age given that I joined a few days in. In hindsight I think it would have been possible to just trade hits with their bigger avians and beat em down and we would have been left with the 3 banks and 6 hybrid attackers vs 5 dwarves, but I think our core gets trashed in doing that and the win wouldn't have been big enough to match CR.

Actually at the end, I made a nub mistake, I thought we had made it to day change and I thought when on 150 to 149, once daychange happenned, I had 30 more meter to play with. at 3 minutes before daychange I was mapping out making 20 hits on them. Then prot told me "you know we gotta wait till they hit, right"

I forgot they also went down to 120, so we had no meter left to play with when I wanted one more round to finish off the faes in hostile we did take down (as soon as we declared our med sized dudes suiciding on faes would be chained to where they are now, so we needed hostile to protect them). In theory I was going with trading 1 orc for 1 fae mystic is a good trade.

So when they didn't hit us after the tick I had to come up with a plan pretty quick while at work, it was some pretty bad semi chains I hoped would cause more over pop and give us NW range protection on our med sizes from NW range, but our med sizes had already been beat down hard enough in hostile they got trashed and are the 400a orcs ya see today. So when your open wave is designed to protect your medium and the medium gets immediately trashed, it was pretty clear from hour 5 of the war it was trouble. And speed generally kills, once the speedier kd gets in a good spot, it can turn into some big wins.

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Interesting. I think in the end u got too screwed on being to focused on CR in the future then Pandas in the present. We are facing a similar problem warring Green now; you think alot about how to get the best possible position after the war, that u forget to position yourself as good as you can in the hostile or beginning of this war. Its a tricky thing when you realize that winning this war will only cause you to get farmed after it because its impossible to gain any good land vs avian core in 48h. Thus you need to device a long term battle that allows u to gain huge in the end.

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Originally Posted by protector

Lolwut? My post said what the source is (leader in Panda). It was posted to argue against Anri.

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Hint: the source was nesta (not pandas - They were merely reacting to what they were told), who was (lying? Misinformed?) and told pandas this.

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When exactly have we threatened to farm out? I recall no such thing.

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Nesta has threatened to farm out if he doesn't get a free deal. Last age, you didn't explicitly threaten to, but it's obviously included in any (if you notice and hit us, we will give your competition the same land) statement.

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Because ultimately our goal was to be warring. You are very well aware why we ended up growing after seeing we had a shot to beat Emeriti. Claiming now we lied about our intentions is bull**** since I told you pretty much every move we made....

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Yes, I am well aware of every move. That's why I know that after you got farm wars, you decided to grow and fight Emeriti, instead of just staying out of range and letting kds that were competing take care of it. For most of that time, you thought you would lose to Emeriti.

So yes, I have limited issue saying that the justification behind the deal didn't hold up. I realize that you feel like ending #2 last age was not competing. Yet, it pushed down the ranks of kds that were competing and limited their options because you were in size, but not available for conflict generally, yet totally farmable by most competitors most of the time. We spent most of the age afraid that intentionally or otherwise, you would farm out to someone. And we should have just farmed you to prevent it.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Hint: the source was nesta (not pandas - They were merely reacting to what they were told), who was (lying? Misinformed?) and told pandas this.

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And I was told by Panda's. What their source is I don't know and quite frankly don't care much about either.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Nesta has threatened to farm out if he doesn't get a free deal. Last age, you didn't explicitly threaten to, but it's obviously included in any (if you notice and hit us, we will give your competition the same land) statement.

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How am I responsible for what Nesta says? And last age I didn't threaten to farm out. I simply made a deal with everyone I'd give nothing or equal. If you consider that farming out, that's your problem.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

Yes, I am well aware of every move. That's why I know that after you got farm wars, you decided to grow and fight Emeriti, instead of just staying out of range and letting kds that were competing take care of it. For most of that time, you thought you would lose to Emeriti.

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You act all bitter now about it, you didn't last age. Shrug.
Sure I know, you would rather we landdropped. So you could get more land, lols.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

So yes, I have limited issue saying that the justification behind the deal didn't hold up. I realize that you feel like ending #2 last age was not competing. Yet, it pushed down the ranks of kds that were competing and limited their options because you were in size, but not available for conflict generally, yet totally farmable by most competitors most of the time. We spent most of the age afraid that intentionally or otherwise, you would farm out to someone. And we should have just farmed you to prevent it.

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In a normal age where 2 from the 4 competing kingdoms do not occupy each other for 3 weeks and the 3rd kingdom doesn't make a not-so-smart decision, our position wouldn't have been 2nd.
That you spent most of the age worrying is your own problem. I said we wouldn't farm out and if I say we don't, I'll keep my word. You had 3 CR members idle in our IRC channel who still had access to our bot. You guys are way too ****ing paranoid.

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Originally Posted by Zauper

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Yes, I am well aware of every move. That's why I know that after you got farm wars, you decided to grow and fight Emeriti, instead of just staying out of range and letting kds that were competing take care of it. For most of that time, you thought you would lose to Emeriti.

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I found this part hilarious, apparently its not okey to grow when you are not competing for the crown.

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Originally Posted by Korp

I found this part hilarious, apparently its not okey to grow when you are not competing for the crown.

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That's not what he's saying at all.

He's saying it's not okay to grow in range of the KDs that are competing, and then just expect a free deal all age because you're not competing.

People can do whatever the hell they want, that doesn't entitle them to CR not hitting them just because they've decided not claim to not competing despite being in the top 5 largest KDs in the world.

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Originally Posted by Meep

That's not what he's saying at all.

He's saying it's not okay to grow in range of the KDs that are competing, and then just expect a free deal all age because you're not competing.

People can do whatever the hell they want, that doesn't entitle them to CR not hitting them just because they've decided not claim to not competing despite being in the top 5 largest KDs in the world.

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You drinking some mad Kool-aid if you get that out of that.

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Originally Posted by Korp

You drinking some mad Kool-aid if you get that out of that.

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What's wrong with kool-aid?

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Man, I need an office job. All the dharma happens while I'm counting breadsticks in the freezer.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Incorrect troll post for many reasons.

Vir is with CR this age. I dont think its a proud moment for Vir that his kd intentionally gave BB land in war but he came clean with it. Which should be respected. He did not need to tell a soul.

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As I said in the statement "Then and now" Vir being then as in the time frame I was discussing. Hesus being now (and then too).

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Originally Posted by Anri

In regards to ovenmitt. He spied on our kd and was in pewpew. Thus we demanded the cheater to not be hosted by any top kd for at least the upcoming age. Pew had age prior maliciously dropped 80k land to wave us after having played in the top. Requesting unlimited waves on us. Ofc we pay them back with same respect. Binar and me are still friendly because we know the rules.

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You were unreasonable, enough said.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Alice was not our allies. Just a ghetto monarch i saw growing and did not want to farm out in the top to ruin gameplay for the rest. Knowing how ghetto they were it was a huge risk. I advised him to not war pewpew and instead drop out from top or share acres to both pewpew and us. Instead he got farmed and made pewpew #1 kd in a position where we almost could not beat them.

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Alice sure thought you were allies, they posted so and everything. You didn't want to stop them from farming out, you wanted them to farm out to you. I know for a fact you are lying here, you tried to negotiate getting the war and were willing to wave them before the Pew cf time was up to leave them trained and without a farm. Interesting that you had a blank cf with them but werent allies and yet you both were putting up banks. Seriously don't insult our intelligence. I'd have more respect for someone admitting they were dirty and being ok with it than someone lying.

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Originally Posted by Anri

I love how you twist actual events to try and make me look bad when nothing that went down is border line.
Its funny you think we gb emeriti to gain land, i was looking for a reason over how they stole our crown the age before and most of all dealbroke Vir by eoa from his prov crown. ASF knows this and could easy confirm this. I told him we would screw them for that very reason before the previous age had ended. That some others started to gb emeriyi just made it easier.

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That's why it took you weeks to join... If you were joining because of what Emeriti had done you would have joined from the beginning since the evidence didn't change just a winning side was determined.

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Originally Posted by Anri

Bye octobrev

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Lmfao I didn't think this theory would gain traction but I am amused by it nonetheless. Not quite as flattering as being called Zauper, but he's still pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Cheetzy

As one of the guys who started Pandas can I just say... We haven't ran from any of the the top in our 3 ages. I'm proud to say that we've warred the majority of the top kds in our time whether advantages or disadvantaged BB now, Pyro last age, CJ Chrystal hell even ED Spartans and Fluffy all of which were good warring kds. It's not about crowning for me it's about the fun with guys who enjoy the game. Sure good and bad decisions have been made in the time CF that shouldn't have happened and things we got involved in we shouldn't have but that's life you make decisions and reflect like any person.

All this Simians **** annoys me because Anri wasn't here at the start of Pandas but just because he is now it doesn't mean the kds are the same they are totally different.

So really what I'm saying is......f**k you and have a nice day!

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Anry hiding behind a different IRC name doesn't count as him not being there lmfao.

I agree with your philosophy on playing the game to have fun and enjoy the people you are around though! There really isn't some profound feeling from crowning (not that you would know), it's just like ok cool. But hanging out with your friends for 3 months with inside jokes and esoteric references is x10 better; I promise.

Have a nice day 2u2 :-P

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Originally Posted by Meep

That's not what he's saying at all.

He's saying it's not okay to grow in range of the KDs that are competing, and then just expect a free deal all age because you're not competing.

People can do whatever the hell they want, that doesn't entitle them to CR not hitting them just because they've decided not claim to not competing despite being in the top 5 largest KDs in the world.

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This is accurate. Because also while not competing they still get all up some ppls business. Blocking in the top, deciding to wave some and make different tax deals depending on what KD you are. All meanwhile playing judge and executioner towards all war tier KDs and try get free farmwars from them. We nor anyone else need to make deals to anyone just because they say or pretend to be age-off. There are no reserved ranks for them above the ones really competing up there.

Its funny seing Anri pretending to be some kind of good guy :)

Band of Horse, you clearly don't know what you are talking about.

When Pandas joined the awar, it was far far away from being sorted. Thats why it took 3 weeks to sort it out, several wars and conflicts, AFTER Pandas joined.

Also, defending as a good strategy that you take 3-4 weeks without gaining almost any land is the best way to outwhore a kd who is cfed with everyone, is simply a statement that is either malicious and false, or one of someone who has no idea about whoring for the top.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

As I said in the statement "Then and now" Vir being then as in the time frame I was discussing. Hesus being now (and then too).


You were unreasonable, enough said.


Alice sure thought you were allies, they posted so and everything. You didn't want to stop them from farming out, you wanted them to farm out to you. I know for a fact you are lying here, you tried to negotiate getting the war and were willing to wave them before the Pew cf time was up to leave them trained and without a farm. Interesting that you had a blank cf with them but werent allies and yet you both were putting up banks. Seriously don't insult our intelligence. I'd have more respect for someone admitting they were dirty and being ok with it than someone lying.


That's why it took you weeks to join... If you were joining because of what Emeriti had done you would have joined from the beginning since the evidence didn't change just a winning side was determined.


Lmfao I didn't think this theory would gain traction but I am amused by it nonetheless. Not quite as flattering as being called Zauper, but he's still pretty good.



Anry hiding behind a different IRC name doesn't count as him not being there lmfao.

I agree with your philosophy on playing the game to have fun and enjoy the people you are around though! There really isn't some profound feeling from crowning (not that you would know), it's just like ok cool. But hanging out with your friends for 3 months with inside jokes and esoteric references is x10 better; I promise.

Have a nice day 2u2 :-P

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Interesting you say that when i said the exact opposite. Trust me, i been offered deals to win or get ahead plenty of times.

Alice was being entirely noob and refused to listen to my guidance when i said they would not be able to fight Pewpew and come out gaining land as they expected.
What i told them was that they should give pewpew free land for a deal and then match the same to us and go back to warring tiers. They offered us war at that moment to dodge pewpew, had i wanted to be a douchebag i had taken that war and farmed the server afterwards since we all ready had a pretty nice lead even without any deals, just because we played the best and most aggressively waving the top and forcing deals out of them it would most likely have been possible. At the time of Alice telling me they would actually war pewpew and confirmed it to me i said i might as well wave them before this can happen because at the time being that was the only way we could secure the age. Note how we never did it even if we could have done so. It would not have been right in the end of the day. So they got to war pewpew in peace and lost majorly while pewpew gained 20k land and came on top of us. Pewpew prep started and we struggled majorly to even catch up getting range to fight them because of that war, had we not won the fight its much likely pewpew would have secured top rank and maybe even won that age. All because one monarch of a ghetto decided to grow without being able to compete and not willing to take guidance. I dont know what you heard, but its likely hearsay and not from the horses mouth.

Edit: You are correct, Alice thought we were allies because of that monarch messaging me every day for guidance. I think he messaged a lot of other KDs also thou.
I was nice enough to give him a free CF, something i do to most KDs wanting to move up in the world and learn. This age is no different, we waved all top KDs but Greens, they got a free CF from us. Thou i feel they can handle it so much better than this Alice kd could. It does not mean were allies nor that the CF would last forever. It means they can grow free to compete unless there is a risk they farmout to someone. This is rather common i would say. Many gets deals if they promise to not farm out to competition. Alice was no different and Green is no different. Weather we have to fight Greens or not in the future remains to be seen. I like their style and i hope they can do okey without us interfering much at all. It might come down to us having to make a deal in some kind of way or even wave them. It should not be hard to grasp for someone like you BoH. Anyone ever speaking to the monarch of Alice would know he wants to do good but is surely not capable of running a top KD.





I was in Pandas from the start, i did not hide this fact to people i consider being close to me, all i did was change nick to my irl nick. The main point was that i was not LS, i wanted nothing to do with LS. Thou i nagged LS non stop to get involved in raping Emeriti and showed them a variety of logs from previous age how our KD was treated, it took quite some time to convince the current LS to get involved. If they did it because i nagged em about it or not i dont know. They did move in to slow and they did wave another KD pre moving in which was also bad. I think KD were behind quite a lot and just moving in and deal emeriti button right away would been hard for them.

If you are not octobrev maybe you are Ovenmitt raised from the dead ;-)
I just saw someone else say octobrev and went for it. I dont really care who you are.
You are just a dude that normally makes pretty solid posts.

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted by munk

respect for flogger to post his thoughts which are quite interesting to read.

From an outsiders perspective it did appear that you were focusing too much on smashing TMs rather than seeing the more "overall" situation, which especially hurt in a case where you allow big avians with huge BR that can get too big too fast.

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Sometimes letting someone have peasants can be good, in that it helps over pop them. Like their one bank we did get down we wouldn't have gotten down if he had no peasants. So avian can be fairly dangerous, but letting em have the peasants when you had a 3 day hostile probably won't work. I need like 20 hours a day to properly see the overall situation, this game is hard. Can't do it on 4-6 hours a day.

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Interesting you say that when i said the exact opposite. Trust me, i been offered deals to win or get ahead plenty of times.

Alice was being entirely noob and refused to listen to my guidance when i said they would not be able to fight Pewpew and come out gaining land as they expected.
What i told them was that they should give pewpew free land for a deal and then match the same to us and go back to warring tiers. They offered us war at that moment to dodge pewpew, had i wanted to be a douchebag i had taken that war and farmed the server afterwards since we all ready had a pretty nice lead even without any deals, just because we played the best and most aggressively waving the top and forcing deals out of them it would most likely have been possible. At the time of Alice telling me they would actually war pewpew and confirmed it to me i said i might as well wave them before this can happen because at the time being that was the only way we could secure the age. Note how we never did it even if we could have done so. It would not have been right in the end of the day. So they got to war pewpew in peace and lost majorly while pewpew gained 20k land and came on top of us. Pewpew prep started and we struggled majorly to even catch up getting range to fight them because of that war, had we not won the fight its much likely pewpew would have secured top rank and maybe even won that age. All because one monarch of a ghetto decided to grow without being able to compete and not willing to take guidance. I dont know what you heard, but its likely hearsay and not from the horses mouth.

Edit: You are correct, Alice thought we were allies because of that monarch messaging me every day for guidance. I think he messaged a lot of other KDs also thou.
I was nice enough to give him a free CF, something i do to most KDs wanting to move up in the world and learn. This age is no different, we waved all top KDs but Greens, they got a free CF from us. Thou i feel they can handle it so much better than this Alice kd could. It does not mean were allies nor that the CF would last forever. It means they can grow free to compete unless there is a risk they farmout to someone. This is rather common i would say. Many gets deals if they promise to not farm out to competition. Alice was no different and Green is no different. Weather we have to fight Greens or not in the future remains to be seen. I like their style and i hope they can do okey without us interfering much at all. It might come down to us having to make a deal in some kind of way or even wave them. It should not be hard to grasp for someone like you BoH. Anyone ever speaking to the monarch of Alice would know he wants to do good but is surely not capable of running a top KD.





I was in Pandas from the start, i did not hide this fact to people i consider being close to me, all i did was change nick to my irl nick. The main point was that i was not LS, i wanted nothing to do with LS. Thou i nagged LS non stop to get involved in raping Emeriti and showed them a variety of logs from previous age how our KD was treated, it took quite some time to convince the current LS to get involved. If they did it because i nagged em about it or not i dont know. They did move in to slow and they did wave another KD pre moving in which was also bad. I think KD were behind quite a lot and just moving in and deal emeriti button right away would been hard for them.

If you are not octobrev maybe you are Ovenmitt raised from the dead ;-)
I just saw someone else say octobrev and went for it. I dont really care who you are.
You are just a dude that normally makes pretty solid posts.

Enjoy!

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You are forgetting a key element in the Alice v Pew v Simians, Alice and Pew altered CF time and started hostile early to avoid you since they saw you drafting up. That hurt Alice more than Pew. You also CF'd Divinity right before this for a pretty sweet deal that resulted in them being big enough to farm out later. Yes you guys played well up to that point and were #1, all credit there. Just inexperience on your KD's LS part that cost you that lawlsy age. But you didn't try to do it with clean hands. You live in the grey area is my point of all this, not the white knight that you sometimes believe yourself.

You admit here that you played in SimPanders from the start yet Cheetzy just one page ago said:

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All this Simians **** annoys me because Anri wasn't here at the start of Pandas but just because he is now it doesn't mean the kds are the same they are totally different.

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You see how your kd lies? That's not good imo.

The 3 weeks after that AMP is claiming was clean up, and you stretched 6 days to try to pump and fight CJ since he said he would notice you after the awar. Big drama thread about that and CJ was really kind to you. I'd have had more respect for you if you had joined at start like Anry is saying, maybe the new leadership isn't as noble as Anry...

I appreciate that you think I make some pretty solid posts though :D I stand firm with #FreeOvenmitt

I don't hate you or pandas, I don't even think you're evul. Just living in the grey.

You missed a few important points as to why you are losing Flogger.

I think spending nearly all your cash and sending us a ruby vs our gold on you guys was one of the more major screwups, even if it Protector was defending this choice of dragon until he turned blue in his face.

And your bank strategy? What the holy hell, its been very bad....

Anri - Please post update in war thread in the news :(

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You are forgetting a key element in the Alice v Pew v Simians, Alice and Pew altered CF time and started hostile early to avoid you since they saw you drafting up. That hurt Alice more than Pew. You also CF'd Divinity right before this for a pretty sweet deal that resulted in them being big enough to farm out later. Yes you guys played well up to that point and were #1, all credit there. Just inexperience on your KD's LS part that cost you that lawlsy age. But you didn't try to do it with clean hands. You live in the grey area is my point of all this, not the white knight that you sometimes believe yourself.

You admit here that you played in SimPanders from the start yet Cheetzy just one page ago said:

You see how your kd lies? That's not good imo.

The 3 weeks after that AMP is claiming was clean up, and you stretched 6 days to try to pump and fight CJ since he said he would notice you after the awar. Big drama thread about that and CJ was really kind to you. I'd have had more respect for you if you had joined at start like Anry is saying, maybe the new leadership isn't as noble as Anry...

I appreciate that you think I make some pretty solid posts though :D I stand firm with #FreeOvenmitt

I don't hate you or pandas, I don't even think you're evul. Just living in the grey.

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I don't know. Cheetzy maybe trying to tone that i was in KD or not. It hardly matters since i did not lead KD nor was in LS that age. It probably did take half the age for some ppl to find out who i was. If cheetzy was one of them i don't know.

I was aware all along about Alice and Pewpew adjusting war time, we are neither dumb or blind. I don't want to dig up logs from my old uninstalled HDD but we discussed these things in LS channel. I don't know how many times we said we wanted to win age playing Level hard. 1) Stay named Simians 2) Avoid LDs best we could. 3) Fight our way to crown and wave competition. There are more points i could mention but i think this is the prefered style of playing at least for us and in reality it should work out to win an age by fighting over cfing, its just a way of rolling the dice, its not as safe, it is harder and it requires other KDs to play clean etc. Either way its damn fun and should hopefully gain respect among doubters. We do know how to war good and whore good. Ofc the diplomacy suffers a bit because we really do have to pick fights to grow. It is far better to end rank 2 and having won 4-5 top fights compared to have 0 wars, be bored out of your skull and end #1. Thou, we might be able to get a nice war with CR later if we keep up good enough. Its very different playing styles and CR way should be easier and best way to win still.

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Anri - Please post update in war thread in the news :(

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I remember warring Sanctuary for 14 days, over that time there was people pointing out counter strategy to Sanctuary on how to beat us. A few guys did very solid posts, i remember having to tell Baka to edit out a post because he pointed out next to exactly what Sanctuary needed to do to beat us. I really don't like to get to much into depth analyze of wars since then. Every setup has some very weak spots. But summary and some other basic details are fine i guess.

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You missed a few important points as to why you are losing Flogger.

I think spending nearly all your cash and sending us a ruby vs our gold on you guys was one of the more major screwups, even if it Protector was defending this choice of dragon until he turned blue in his face.

And your bank strategy? What the holy hell, its been very bad....

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We couldn't even break your faeries without the ruby, and your dwarves woulda been able to break our banks in hostile more easily. People were talking about just the DME of Forts vs Ruby, it also affected offense on your cows.

As for our cows, At no point was sending out a good idea vs you turtled, since you could wave and beat us home. CR is going to have a similar issues with the speed effect. It makes it very hard for them to send out their cows.

What good does a Gold dragon do us on you? You have 5 dwarves who are turtled. What's the gold matter on a turtled dwarf? You're too active to starve out. Then on the faery side, if we need the Ruby to break, Ruby is better. I'm not sure why you and godly are focusing on a hostile dragon as having any impact on who won the war.

I am glad you feel that way!

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I don't know. Cheetzy maybe trying to tone that i was in KD or not. It hardly matters since i did not lead KD nor was in LS that age. It probably did take half the age for some ppl to find out who i was. If cheetzy was one of them i don't know.

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I don't consider myself a super detective or anything but it seemed simple to figure out. You're inferring that Cheetzy 1) Couldn't figure out that Henke was Anry when your instagram is henke82 it's in your damn sig 2) He couldn't retroactively figure out that Henke had been there the whole time when you finally did the big reveal lol

I'm not saying you're all liars but there is lying going on.

I find it amazing that apparently it was a great move for Pandas to enter a several weeks long conflict, in a war strat, with pumped military, where it lost a bank, instead of using those several weeks to prepared, while another kd had nearly a month to prepare with all the rest of the top busy.

While Pandas banks and provs ran full military, CJ had banks on 100k def and 6k+ acres...so ofc this means we were better prepared and using the awar to gain over CJ. Screw logic right, afterall, it's a strategy game...:P

Regarding the status of the awar when Pandas joined, well Emeriti was pretty much untouched and so were most of the kds in their side, so if thats a clean up phase, we do have very different perceptions of the game.

About Anri, initially it wasnt certain he would play, and when he did, he played as a normal regular player and not involved in LS.

Calling a kd that has a couple of former players from Simians, that name, is simply wrong or trying to stir up other past issues that have nothing to do with the new kd.

Also, the hate going around is just silly.

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I find it amazing that apparently it was a great move for Pandas to enter a several weeks long conflict, in a war strat, with pumped military, where it lost a bank, instead of using those several weeks to prepared, while another kd had nearly a month to prepare with all the rest of the top busy.

While Pandas banks and provs ran full military, CJ had banks on 100k def and 6k+ acres...so ofc this means we were better prepared and using the awar to gain over CJ. Screw logic right, afterall, it's a strategy game...:P

Regarding the status of the awar when Pandas joined, well Emeriti was pretty much untouched and so were most of the kds in their side, so if thats a clean up phase, we do have very different perceptions of the game.

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I'd agree with you if you picked raze instead of trad march. You gained acres, reminds me greatly of Pyro in the AMA GB. Logic you got acres from it that you wouldn't have if you weren't involved like cJ. You use an ambiguous term like "pretty much untouched" They were certainly touched but I guess you can claim its not untouched since you said pretty much... War had already ensued, provs were already dead. Even Anry says you didn't join at the start why are you trying to argue this? More lying from Pandas?

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About Anri, initially it wasnt certain he would play, and when he did, he played as a normal regular player and not involved in LS.

Calling a kd that has a couple of former players from Simians, that name, is simply wrong or trying to stir up other past issues that have nothing to do with the new kd.

Also, the hate going around is just silly.

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A 60 age old shell with the same leader from 60 ages in the kd along with a number of kd mates that we will never truly get a straight answer out of since there were lies from the beginning on how many, including denials of Anry being in kd. Admit your sins instead of digging the hole deeper. Nothing wrong with what you did except the lying and not standing firm in your actions.

i wanted to refrain from posting.. but just cant withhold my thoughts with all the lying going out there.

it's okay to lie and be scummy, just be upfront with it :)

pandas told me that they wont get involved in the awar when crazies-pandas made a cf. this cf was made when the awar already started i remember it was a certain yr xx cf with 48 hours... (like it was a short 1 week cf with notice agreement). crazies was larger than pandas as we had just won wsk and we had better cows and all. i was dead sure that i would have farmed pandas 1+ week later as i dont see how they would have challenged my cows.

shortly after a few days later.. low and behold, i saw pandas waving meep's kd for acres. i was dafug. it was totally clear that meep kd was involved in the awar, and i remembered there was the excuse by padnas that meep kd did 1 hit out of 3423432 hits on a kingdom not involved in the awar.. it was wtf?! ok so pandas asked and received 2 waves from meep kd for a total of xx acres for a cf agreement brokered by asf+meep. i was like ok.. fine.. i'll still beat them when our cf up.. oh ya i remembered anri mentioning somewhere that this leadership decision didnt sit too well with him too.. asking for acres from a kingdom involved in awar for a cf.

i was wtf though. pandas said they wont get involved in awar. but they did. then shortly after that cf, they went fort and trained on the new acres and came out and joined the awar on bb&friends side and broke cf with meep kd..

i'm like wtf. ok.. perhaps pandas really had the conviction to be part of the anti-abs, pro-bb&friends alliance.. but it really seemed wtf to me..

cut long story short, bb&friends won the awar and pandas were barely being hit by abs&friends during the last week of the awar. in fact, pandas started exploring cows like 6-7 days before awar ended and ofc emeriti decided to LL 1 of the wpa-less cow a few hundred acres off (if you call that 'losing' a cow.. it's like the little boy wanting to eat a candy but you take it away from him before his tongue touches it.)... so pandas spent like the last week of the awar barely receiving any hits and exploring and stocking science+gc.. i mean i saw schools and banks when i surveyed provinces during the last week of the awar. hmmm.

when the awar ended, we had a 48hrs notice. but i changed it to 5 days out of good will.. and i refused to budge despite flogger (leader of bb&friends) asking me to do so. well no one dared to gb me from the bb&friends group because it was clear to all how much sufficient and additional prep pandas actually got on top of a 48hrs notice.

anw what happened in the past, stays in the past :P

morale of the story : if you wanna be sly, just say so! i was truthful in my attempts to fsu anri a few ages ago :P

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it's okay to lie and be scummy, just be upfront with it :)

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...that's not how lying works...

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i wanted to refrain from posting.. but just cant withhold my thoughts with all the lying going out there.

it's okay to lie and be scummy, just be upfront with it :)

pandas told me that they wont get involved in the awar when crazies-pandas made a cf. this cf was made when the awar already started i remember it was a certain yr xx cf with 48 hours... (like it was a short 1 week cf with notice agreement). crazies was larger than pandas as we had just won wsk and we had better cows and all. i was dead sure that i would have farmed pandas 1+ week later as i dont see how they would have challenged my cows.

shortly after a few days later.. low and behold, i saw pandas waving meep's kd for acres. i was dafug. it was totally clear that meep kd was involved in the awar, and i remembered there was the excuse by padnas that meep kd did 1 hit out of 3423432 hits on a kingdom not involved in the awar.. it was wtf?! ok so pandas asked and received 2 waves from meep kd for a total of xx acres for a cf agreement brokered by asf+meep. i was like ok.. fine.. i'll still beat them when our cf up.. oh ya i remembered anri mentioning somewhere that this leadership decision didnt sit too well with him too.. asking for acres from a kingdom involved in awar for a cf.

i was wtf though. pandas said they wont get involved in awar. but they did. then shortly after that cf, they went fort and trained on the new acres and came out and joined the awar on bb&friends side and broke cf with meep kd..

i'm like wtf. ok.. perhaps pandas really had the conviction to be part of the anti-abs, pro-bb&friends alliance.. but it really seemed wtf to me..

cut long story short, bb&friends won the awar and pandas were barely being hit by abs&friends during the last week of the awar. in fact, pandas started exploring cows like 6-7 days before awar ended and ofc emeriti decided to LL 1 of the wpa-less cow a few hundred acres off (if you call that 'losing' a cow.. it's like the little boy wanting to eat a candy but you take it away from him before his tongue touches it.)... so pandas spent like the last week of the awar barely receiving any hits and exploring and stocking science+gc.. i mean i saw schools and banks when i surveyed provinces during the last week of the awar. hmmm.

when the awar ended, we had a 48hrs notice. but i changed it to 5 days out of good will.. and i refused to budge despite flogger (leader of bb&friends) asking me to do so. well no one dared to gb me from the bb&friends group because it was clear to all how much sufficient and additional prep pandas actually got on top of a 48hrs notice.

anw what happened in the past, stays in the past :P

morale of the story : if you wanna be sly, just say so! i was truthful in my attempts to fsu anri a few ages ago :P

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That is 99% correct.. However you are mis-stating the 1% and the most important fact!!!!!