New Anticheat Measure Going Live Today

[DHaran]

The forum whitelisting announcement thread was also updated stating that the whitelist would soon be removed. That was announced Oct 24.

[Korp]

"Soon" :))

[warfrogs]

Bishop, you are 100% correct, it would not block every single person who is attempting to multi who is on the whitelist. However, it would catch a great number of people with minimal interaction from staff. My point is that you're not going to catch high level cheaters with this, but instead low to mid-level people and are sweeping up a whole segment of legitimate players in that move. I'm trying to propose a system that will both cut out those low/mid-level cheats while still allowing regular players to play.

If you think IP filtering like this is going to block all multis and farms, you're crazy. It didn't work for Mehul when the game was much, much larger, and it won't work now.

[Bishop]

Bishop, you are 100% correct, it would not block every single person who is attempting to multi who is on the whitelist. However, it would catch a great number of people with minimal interaction from staff. My point is that you're not going to catch high level cheaters with this, but instead low to mid-level people and are sweeping up a whole segment of legitimate players in that move. I'm trying to propose a system that will both cut out those low/mid-level cheats while still allowing regular players to play.

If you think IP filtering like this is going to block all multis and farms, you're crazy. It didn't work for Mehul when the game was much, much larger, and it won't work now.

Mehul didn't have any filter like this so i dont really follow your point.

The method you propose will not have any influence on the people that logged their partners account at all. The method we introduced is impacting 3% of the player base right now - what do you think the chances are that the 3% affected are all people who were whitelisted.

[Ordray]

95%

[Joker1975]

Joker1975

Alot of this is on yourself cause you didnt keep yourself updated on whats happening in Utopia. They didnt post it in the forums they used the blog and everyone thats interested in whats happening Utopia should visit that at times, it was probably up on your throne page as well for some time.

Korp, it wouldn't have mattered if I read the throne page or not. I would never expect a change of this magnitude to be implemented mid age. How many times in your experience has this game made a change this big in the middle of the age? In the years leading up to when I quit the first time, I can tell you no change like this was ever done in the middle of the age. Any change like this was done at the start of the age to get the bugs worked out before the game got to far into the age.

As for keeping updated with what is happening in utopia, I could care less beyond my kingdom. What the top ten kd's are doing and who they are waring with is boring to me. Almost all of the guys and gals that I knew from my previous time in the game are gone. Coming to these forums is a waste of my time. Saying anything against this measure is also proving to be a waste of time so it solidifies my feelings on coming to this forum.

However, I would have read a mass message sent to my account since that "might" be important. When I look at the message from utopia when it isn't blocked by utools it is 90% BS that is a waste of time for me to scroll past.

DHaran--if I'm already whitelisted what reason would I have to go back to that thread? When I signed up there wasn't any reason to go back there, I was whitelisted. Then add in the fact that you say the message said, "Soon." What is soon? Soon could be tomorrow, a week, a month or 2 months. If there is no time frame announced the message in essence is pointless because you don't give a time or date. In this case "soon" was about a month.

[DHaran]

That's like saying "I chose Dwarf for +30% BE 10 ages ago, why would I ever check back for a change?"

[The Imp]

soon everyone will give up whining and realise that their posts are/were in vain and to just sort their own situation out i hope

[DHaran]

The flaming rage posts were in vain yes, the thought out intelligent and productive ones have already inspired some discussion about tweaking the system. You guys should take note of how warfrogs presents ideas, even though people didn't necessarily think they were good solutions, he approached it better than most others did in this thread and at least opened a proper discussion.

[Bishop]

Korp, it wouldn't have mattered if I read the throne page or not. I would never expect a change of this magnitude to be implemented mid age.

It clearly said it would be mid age.

[warfrogs]

Mehul didn't have any filter like this so i dont really follow your point.

If I remember correctly he did have a "flagger" that if multiple accounts were logged into from a single IP they'd be flagged and banned, I could be mistaken though as it has been more than a few years.

The method you propose will not have any influence on the people that logged their partners account at all.

It would though. Though a heuristic method, most of it could be automated and very targetted at the people who log into their partners accounts. We can agree that most of the people that are mutli-ing are not that smart, and if they're using the whitelist, they know they're running a high chance of being caught. Through my system, if more than 60% of the logins are from the same place and pretty much the same time, it's most likely a multi. If there are multiple logins in extremely short time periods at multiple IPs, almost definitely a multi. It's not perfect, but I'm trying to salvage something that I really think is a integral part of the game and would be a shame to do away with if you're looking to expand the game population.

Hear me out with my logic, we have entered into an era where gaming is extremely social (see Farmville, Mafia, Vampire Wars) and it is not uncommon to see people playing the same game as a means of joint entertainment. Utopia is very much so like those games where it isn't something you have to dedicate 24 hours a day to, but instead, just a few hours every few days is enough to have a successful experience. You're eliminating a HUGE segment of potential players by saying that siblings, spouses, housemates, roommates, dorm-mates, and anyone who wants to play at a coffee shop cannot play together effectively (or at least in the same kingdom.) I have introduced probably a dozen players to the game by saying, "Hey, there's an open spot in my kingdom, let's set up an account for you and I can help you get going." If this wasn't possible, that's a dozen people that would have never even heard of the game.

Granted, my fix isn't eliminating the problem of whitelist abuse, but instead, it automates it in a heuristic fashion which should take a lot of the work off of the admins and would still smart target abusers of the system.

The method we introduced is impacting 3% of the player base right now - what do you think the chances are that the 3% affected are all people who were whitelisted.

I have no idea to be honest, but that's also my point. Instead of doing away with the whitelist, why not modify the multi detection for people on the whitelist without doing away with it all together. If you're on IRC at all, drop by #dontdropthesoap and shoot me a message. I'll be around and I'd love to chat more about this.

[Joker1975]

That's like saying "I chose Dwarf for +30% BE 10 ages ago, why would I ever check back for a change?"

And these kind of responses are why I don't like your attitude DHaran. This comes off as snide and total lack of respect yet you expect me to address you with some kind of respect because you are a mod.

If you are whitelisted what reason would you have to go back? That thread as I read it was to submit your request to be whitelisted and tell you what you needed to do. Once whitelisted the way the thread was set up there was no point in going back.

Checking back for +30% BE would be pointless. To my knowledge Dwarf has never had 30% BE. I come to these forums at the end of the age to check on the upcoming changes at the end of the age and at the start of the age to make sure the final changes weren't changed. Since the guide isn't really a guide this is the only place to see what the changes actually are when the age starts.

Good Day

[DHaran]

I don't know how you expect to stay up to date with the rules if you refuse to monitor announcements and forums posts, especially when they are put on your throne page and left there for a month. You simply have no excuse for not knowing it was coming.

And Dwarf did have +30% BE for a bit.

[Korp]

Korp, it wouldn't have mattered if I read the throne page or not. I would never expect a change of this magnitude to be implemented mid age.

You just whined about how you didnt get any information at all, then when it was pointed out that you actually did get some information about it you say it wouldnt have matter? And what the hell does what you think matter, if you read something that will happend, independently if you care or not?

In the years leading up to when I quit the first time, I can tell you no change like this was ever done in the middle of the age. Any change like this was done at the start of the age to get the bugs worked out before the game got to far into the age.

But your main point was "I DIDNT GET ANY INFORMATION QQ" you did, suck it up.

As for keeping updated with what is happening in utopia, I could care less beyond my kingdom. What the top ten kd's are doing and who they are waring with is boring to me. Almost all of the guys and gals that I knew from my previous time in the game are gone. Coming to these forums is a waste of my time. Saying anything against this measure is also proving to be a waste of time so it solidifies my feelings on coming to this forum.

So i guess you never come here looking at the new changes either cause you dont care about anything else than your kingdom? Or wait, you just been complaining about how nobody told you something was going to happend yet you say you dont care? Thats quite contradicting.

However, I would have read a mass message sent to my account since that "might" be important. When I look at the message from utopia when it isn't blocked by utools it is 90% BS that is a waste of time for me to scroll past.

Yet again thats not Utopias fault, thats yours, if you dont use the tools avaible to keep yourself updated thats your problem dont come here complain about lack of information cause it was there.

And these kind of responses are why I don't like your attitude DHaran. This comes off as snide and total lack of respect yet you expect me to address you with some kind of respect because you are a mod.

But hes right, you are just doing that. You refuse to keep yourself up to date with the tools avaible and then you come here "Why didnt anyone tell me?! :((((" Its quite arrogant to except everyone else doing something but yourself should just sit back and do nothing.

[s2mike]

wow, i dunno how this thread keep going with all this flames, i stop reading awhile when i see so many flames thrower coming through, anyway if you are not happy on the new system make a suggestion like i did http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...f-normal/page7 else there is no point shooting flames here as it dont get anything done.