New Anticheat Measure Going Live Today

[Rutro187]

The answer of play in a different kingdom would fix the issue, but would create the problem of me and my friend wouldn't be playing together. To me it's the difference between purchasing two single player games and just both having it and talking about it and buying a multi-player game and playing together in the same guild/team and talking strategy and politics and all kinds of other things. I am also making the assumption that the Devs want people to play with their friends and that is one of the reasons they created the invite system. So saying play in different kingdoms to me is just an easy answer that in my opinion does not answer the root problem of I want to easily play with my friends.

And as far as just creating an account on the forums you are correct fluffy I have been playing for quite a few ages and only read stuff in the forums, this is the first time I have ever felt the need to post something in them.

[Palem]

playing together in the same guild/team and talking strategy and politics and all kinds of other things.

You can't do that playing in different kds? You'll have twice as much to talk about...

[Rutro187]

I don't understand why would you want to play in a different kingdom then your friends play in? Right now we have 10 total friends that play why would we want to separate, I am asking because I don't understand why I shouldn't/wouldn't want to play in the same kingdom as my friend?

[fuzzy|]

I don't understand why would you want to play in a different kingdom then your friends play in? Right now we have 10 total friends that play why would we want to separate, I am asking because I don't understand why I shouldn't/wouldn't want to play in the same kingdom as my friend?

this game is all about team work and playing with mates is a HUGE part of the game - take that away and you take the sole of the game away. I played in ZZ for much longer than I should of purely because of the mates I had there and still have.

[Joker1975]

Sitting is not under discussion here. Move on.

We have to verify who it is that logs into a whitelisted account to ensure that the person logging in is who they say they are - otherwise you just paid to allow your partner to xlog you. You think the complaining for the IP block is bad, wait until you see what would happen if we went down that road.

The point you are making is not realistic, it is not scalable and it doesn't help the issue. Apart from the fact that it is a full time job maintaining the whitelist, to make cash off it we need to charge ~150usd to be whitelisted, maybe you think that is ok, I suspect the majority of our users would not.

Actually Bishop, why wouldn't you have a premium service that would allow 2 people to say be "Whitelisted"? Depending on the cost, it would be similar to the invites. If as a monarch I run out of the free invites I can pay $10 to get another one. If the cost and maintenance are so high, cover that cost with a fee.

[fuzzy|]

Actually Bishop, why wouldn't you have a premium service that would allow 2 people to say be "Whitelisted"? Depending on the cost, it would be similar to the invites. If as a monarch I run out of the free invites I can pay $10 to get another one. If the cost and maintenance are so high, cover that cost with a fee.

oooo please please game mods let me invite (and pay) for my 'brother' to join my kingdom. please please please and my aunty and dad who all live with me. infact all 25 of us live in the same house. We will pay for them all.

[Joker1975]

this game is all about team work and playing with mates is a HUGE part of the game - take that away and you take the sole of the game away. I played in ZZ for much longer than I should of purely because of the mates I had there and still have.

And you guys from ZZ didn't cheat? 99.99% of all SKD's were cheating/breaking the rules. Off topic but just saying.

[DHaran]

Actually Bishop, why wouldn't you have a premium service that would allow 2 people to say be "Whitelisted"? Depending on the cost, it would be similar to the invites. If as a monarch I run out of the free invites I can pay $10 to get another one. If the cost and maintenance are so high, cover that cost with a fee.

How can you possibly think that is a good idea? Now you want pay to cheat options...

[Joker1975]

oooo please please game mods let me invite (and pay) for my 'brother' to join my kingdom. please please please and my aunty and dad who all live with me. infact all 25 of us live in the same house. We will pay for them all.

Nice flame. I'd love to see you run 25 provinces and do anything and pay for all 25 each age. I think you would run out of money pretty quick.

I'm talking about a different system that would be put in place to insure that someone different was playing the accounts. This would be a premium service but would require each player to have their own PC/computer. The current or expired whitelist allowed someone or couples to access the game from the same computer. What I'm talking about is a service available but only if each person had a separate computer. Each computer has it's own footprint that it sends out through the IP via cookies. If the cookies are deleted the person would have to be verified again or pay to get the cookie back.

Sitting a province costs money yet isn't blocked by the IP block that is in place because it is limited time frame as has been posted.

[Joker1975]

How can you possibly think that is a good idea? Now you want pay to cheat options...

Why would you just jump to a conclusion that we are talking about cheating? Read my other post.

[Doddoen]

A couple of pointers and questions, oh and don't call me a cheater just because I'm against this measure.
1) Playing with friends in the same kd is a big deal compared to being in different kds. And if you cannot interact its a big problem.
2) Restricting players way of playing is similar to living in a police state. "We are blocking you from doing this becaus you might do something that is not allowed".
3) Is cheating really that much of a problem? In any democratic society people have to accept that some crime will exist. Cheating will go on as long as someone is willing to cheat.
4) Do you have numbers on the activity level before and after the anti-cheat measure went live? Are people dropping off and do we know if they are multis or legit players leaving?
5) When it comes to crimes you are tried and convicted after a crime has been committed.
6) Why was feedback encouraged when its pretty clear its not appreciated?

[Joker1975]

How can you possibly think that is a good idea? Now you want pay to cheat options...

2 other things about this reply from you.

1. Bishop asked if I had other ideas on how to make a system work. This is one that covers a couple of issues that the mods and Bishop have said whitelisting didn't address. If it is set up properly it would eliminate cheaters from using it since it costs money. If they are already cheating for free why would they pay to do it? This new system does not stop cheating, it stops two or more people from playing the game from the same house/IP. Nothing more. If a person wants to cheat, he will cheat. There are ways around the IP block. I'm not interested in going that route. I would like to play the game without having to be sneaky or breaking rules.

2. How could I possibly think it is a good idea? There are many reasons I think it would be good. It brings money to the game. It brings players like me back to the game along with my daughter. It gives options to players. The game would still be free to the vast majority and only those that would be willing to pay for the service would be given the ability to play from the same home while paying for it would give the devs the money to cover the expense to monitor the system. Just like sitting you are giving someone the option to keep their province running instead of vacation mode but the difference is you pay for that right. Why wouldn't the devs be willing to let me pay to play this game from the same house as my daughter?

[xfex]

2 other things about this reply from you.

1. Bishop asked if I had other ideas on how to make a system work. This is one that covers a couple of issues that the mods and Bishop have said whitelisting didn't address. If it is set up properly it would eliminate cheaters from using it since it costs money. If they are already cheating for free why would they pay to do it? This new system does not stop cheating, it stops two or more people from playing the game from the same house/IP. Nothing more. If a person wants to cheat, he will cheat. There are ways around the IP block. I'm not interested in going that route. I would like to play the game without having to be sneaky or breaking rules.

2. How could I possibly think it is a good idea? There are many reasons I think it would be good. It brings money to the game. It brings players like me back to the game along with my daughter. It gives options to players. The game would still be free to the vast majority and only those that would be willing to pay for the service would be given the ability to play from the same home while paying for it would give the devs the money to cover the expense to monitor the system. Just like sitting you are giving someone the option to keep their province running instead of vacation mode but the difference is you pay for that right. Why wouldn't the devs be willing to let me pay to play this game from the same house as my daughter?

It's just difficult to prove that you are two different individuals. How do Bishop know that your not the same person logging on and acting on behalf of your daughter? So if I said I have 10 brothers and they all want to play from the same computer and same kd, would you believe me? Probably not right?

[Ordray]

A couple of pointers and questions, oh and don't call me a cheater just because I'm against this measure.
1) Playing with friends in the same kd is a big deal compared to being in different kds. And if you cannot interact its a big problem.
2) Restricting players way of playing is similar to living in a police state. "We are blocking you from doing this becaus you might do something that is not allowed".
3) Is cheating really that much of a problem? In any democratic society people have to accept that some crime will exist. Cheating will go on as long as someone is willing to cheat.
4) Do you have numbers on the activity level before and after the anti-cheat measure went live? Are people dropping off and do we know if they are multis or legit players leaving?
5) When it comes to crimes you are tried and convicted after a crime has been committed.
6) Why was feedback encouraged when its pretty clear its not appreciated?

2 and 5.) This is a privately owned and operated website not a governmental agency or organization. If I'm a restaurant owner and some is trying to enter my restaurant and is not following my clearly posted rules, then it is my right to have them removed and to prevent them from ever entering my establishment. I don't have to wait until you enter and call the cops on you to enforce that decision, I can get a bouncer to stand at the door and prevent you from entering.
3.) And I suppose that the implementation of DRM technology was a bad idea too. I mean, we have to accept that some form of digital piracy is going to still occur, right? So we shouldn't do anything to make it harder for anyone to do it.
4.) He's already said somewhere that interaction has dropped 40%.

Why would you think cheaters go to the trouble of deleting their accounts? They let them go inactive.

We have seen a 40% decrease in reports of interactions since the system went live. If you are going to ROFLMAO try and ensure you know what you are talking about.

6.) So we could work things out like the Singapore issue which, as far as I know, has been resolved. Also, there has been discussion on whether or not ambushes should be exempted, and good cases were made on both sides as to the consequences of making the exemption.

[Ordray]

Nice flame. I'd love to see you run 25 provinces and do anything and pay for all 25 each age. I think you would run out of money pretty quick.

I'm talking about a different system that would be put in place to insure that someone different was playing the accounts. This would be a premium service but would require each player to have their own PC/computer. The current or expired whitelist allowed someone or couples to access the game from the same computer. What I'm talking about is a service available but only if each person had a separate computer. Each computer has it's own footprint that it sends out through the IP via cookies. If the cookies are deleted the person would have to be verified again or pay to get the cookie back.

Sitting a province costs money yet isn't blocked by the IP block that is in place because it is limited time frame as has been posted.

Under your system, I could pay to run a province on my tablet and one on my PC. That's pretty open for abuse.