#2 province grande mucca deleted

[KuhaN]

lol no YOU don't get it. If there were 2 provinces not participating in the war, I can see your argument that it was a FW. That is not the case here. You essentially want to choose their war targets for them, this simple fact is absolutely unacceptable. Why would Ryan train up to hit the guy when he could just 4-tap others? And who says he wasn't going to hit the guy anyway? Now whatever words we use to trick a ghetto into a war can get us deleted? Is any of this getting through to you?

I already covered a more suitable 24 prov NAP scenario, which you thought would be ok:

<DHaran> i can go to an extreme too, what if each prov only agreed to hit a corresponding prov in enemy kds, so all 25 provs in both kds are trading hits, thats a FW?
<Bishop> hmmmm
<Bishop> i dunno, i suspect it would eb ok

Can you explain why you think it's ok to NAP 24 provs this way, but not ok to NAP one?

I understand the point you're trying to make DHaran, i really do, but that would still be considered a FW. What youre essentially trying to do is create a loophole around the term FW, and youre complicating things way too much. Its a risk napping individual provs in war, because through bull**** you can say, "oh well i was hitting this one guy all war long, how was it a fw?" Another stupid thing to do is to send an in game msg to a player saying how you two will not hit eachother but farm everybody else (clearly a fake war). Sure you can say, "well i was just tricking him", but that would be bull**** DHaran and you know it. If youre going to try and farm players while napping individuals provs then I hate to say it, but try being a little covert about it. Making it obvious and risky is stupid. Look at what happened to megaupload for example, if they were more discreet about it like the other upload sites then they wouldnt have been nailed. One last thing, warnings or suspensions is stupid, youre pretty much just letting the player get away with it, and making it more likely that other players do it. Deletion is always the way to go imo.

[DHaran]

There was never zero risk for either of them. Both kingdoms could have oped the other's big prov. It wasn't a fake war at any point.

[KuhaN]

There was never zero risk for either of them. Both kingdoms could have oped the other's big prov. It wasn't a fake war at any point.

Thats not the point, two players napped eachother in war, that to me is fake warring for both players. Yes they wouldve probably gotten away with it if they talked away from in game msgs and settled it in irc or something, but like I said before, it wouldve still been a risk, albeit smaller if they had done communications differently.

[ZodZilla]

I'd still like to know what would happen if these 2 provs were roommates or married or whatever and thus could not hit each other. Can 2 good players living together both run ghetto cows and drive their KD's into each other, reaping the spoils? Or are whitlelisty (or whatever it's called now) people not allowed to war at all, since they are unable to hit each other, triggering FW status? Not a common issue, just curious. I almost landed in a war vs. my roommate after Sleepy broke up and we had to find new homes... would we have been deleted?

[Persain]

Personally i dont care he got deleted, its better that the reason is explained out here and that we can address the issue than the 99.999% of the time before bishop was here. Thank you bishop i know everyone is pissy but at least your here.

Wit that said
Can we please get it in the rules that

1 prov or 25, we dont care. Arranging a war where you dont hit is fake.

IS NOT what u define as a fake war. AS per

10[20:36] <Ryan> tricking people isnt a fw, bishop was fine with my no dragon term
10[20:36] <Ryan> but then he didnt want to understand how not hitting someone is the same concept

the definition is not that u sit out of a war and dont hit but simply that there is a SPECIFIC target that WONT be hit.
you said it yourself when i asked

Where do u draw the line between it being a fake war. For example me saying i wont hit someone as an agreement to get to war, and then plan a war around not hitting that person all the time knowing that if i HAD to i can easily break my promise to get the war win.

The line is drawn there. Encouraging people to break the rules can result in action.

Its the "agreement" that even ONE person is exempt from DAMAGE that constitutes a fake war. that is even if BOTH kids hit 100% of there attacks at the other kd if you agree to not damage a province its a fake war.

which i think is bull, a "fake war" is NOT KD A 25 people hitting 24 of kd b people while KD B has 25 people hiting 24 of the people in kd B. Both kds are doing 25 people its just strategy on who to target.


Something in the rules like
"A Fake war is any war that occurs with the stated agreement, true or false, that one or more provinces in either kd will receive no damage."

Because as is being stated a fake war is NOT, a non-attacker in 1 kd but an agreement for no damage to be done, regardless if or not the agreement is true or false. something i dont think ANY kd would of understood before this deletion.

[FlamingKnights]

I do believe i have an answer to this. A change was made this age to police fw. AFAIK no actions have been taken until know. Conveniently its almost the age end and someone got made an example out of pretty much saying "hey we were be serious about policing fw" This was the "best" opportunity the devs had and used it. We all know there was a legit fw this age and nothing ever came of it. How many provinces in trollfags were breakable by the other kd? That number was really close to 0.

[KuhaN]

I'd still like to know what would happen if these 2 provs were roommates or married or whatever and thus could not hit each other. Can 2 good players living together both run ghetto cows and drive their KD's into each other, reaping the spoils? Or are whitlelisty (or whatever it's called now) people not allowed to war at all, since they are unable to hit each other, triggering FW status? Not a common issue, just curious. I almost landed in a war vs. my roommate after Sleepy broke up and we had to find new homes... would we have been deleted?

Are u seriously asking this pointless question? They wouldnt be deleted obviously because there would be no need to communicate with each other about naps, etc. Why r u ppl complicating this issue so damn much? Use ur goddamn common sense.

[KuhaN]

I do believe i have an answer to this. A change was made this age to police fw. AFAIK no actions have been taken until know. Conveniently its almost the age end and someone got made an example out of pretty much saying "hey we were be serious about policing fw" This was the "best" opportunity the devs had and used it. We all know there was a legit fw this age and nothing ever came of it. How many provinces in trollfags were breakable by the other kd? That number was really close to 0.

I finally understand why common sense is a true indicator of intelligence. Did any of the "trollfag" players form naps with other players in that war? Did the "trollfag" kd get into a war with the other kd by agreeing to farm acres, or farm honor, or to just idle around and pump. No and no, they got into the war probably with no real communication done or no war terms, then how is that cheating? Your eoa example theory is absurd btw. I really want to flame you right here in this line but ill control myself.

[Darkz Azn]

I finally understand why common sense is a true indicator of intelligence. Did any of the "trollfag" players form naps with other players in that war? Did the "trollfag" kd get into a war with the other kd by agreeing to farm acres, or farm honor, or to just idle around and pump. No and no, they got into the war probably with communication done or war terms, then how is that cheating? Your eoa example theory is absurd btw. I really want to flame you right here in this line but ill control myself.

odd ... why so cereal ...

[ZodZilla]

The nap would be automatic, so there would be no need to communicate. Is it okay if it's automatic? If Ryan would have been at this guys house for the weekend and thus was restricted from hitting him, all would be well? And I don't give you a hard time about pointless muscles, play nice :P

[KuhaN]

odd ... why so cereal ...

Stupidity is a serious issue, Mr. Irony.

[Darkz Azn]

Stupidity is a serious issue, Mr. Irony.

take a chill pill, kill bill ... odd =)

[KuhaN]

The nap would be automatic, so there would be no need to communicate. Is it okay if it's automatic? If Ryan would have been at this guys house for the weekend and thus was restricted from hitting him, all would be well? And I don't give you a hard time about pointless muscles, play nice :P

Firstly, since you're talking about my muscles, they're not pointless, they have a purpose. The purpose is their use in Jiu Jitsu, where they're very effective, trust me.

And yes, all would be well, you move on, and nobody would get deleted.

[KuhaN]

take a chill pill, kill bill ... odd =)

If only you knew how chill I really was in person. :p

[kbone]

Im with DHaran on this one, I think its ridiculous. Id be pissed too getting deleted over an iffy rule at best. Im still not sure what constitutes a fake war. I feel like big brother is watching me now, if they dont like what I say, poof, im gone