Simians Vs Sanctuary

[Anri]

The way Freeakstyle wars makes it very hard for them to do that kinda stuff higher on tho. They rely a lot on honor to make those uberly pumped elves. Something they won't be able to pull off with only 1-2 wars. So unless they come up with a different setup & strat, I don't see them warring a lot in the top. Anyway afaik they beated HoH 3-4 ages ago when being 7 mill smaller (14 vs 21 mill or so).

Means nothing when HoH had a bank on 5-6 million nw pulling their nw up. Anyone with a brain could see the outcome in that war. It was not freekstyle that did anything in particulare to get the win. It was HoH that made a big misstake taking a KD like that to war when having a bank in that size.

[citadela01]

Are you saying warring with a bank puts you at a disadvantage Anri?

Cause thats what I read from your post.

[Korp]

[quote] Are you another of those guys of whom have not played in years and still continue to roam these forums like you're relevant?

If you dont know me you are probably an irrelevant person. :( or too new.

Frankly, I have no idea who you are but I appreciate the fact that you know of my ghetto as we're quite a new kd.

Oh, I thought you played in BIO :(

A word of advice from a ghetto monarch, if you've retired, you're better of fading away and never to be heard of and seen again. That way at least when someone somewhere decides to speak of great accomplishments, they might remember you and yours. Being all Mr. Irrelevant bodes you no good. I can of course be all ghetto right now and demand your loc etc. I'm sure that's what they do at least. But it doesn't change the fact that this little ghetto of mine's have warred these SKD's and have never once heard your name pop up in any diplomatic talks/conversation. The conclusion of that of course is obvious.

Why you so mad bro? But, let me quote a great person that talked about me once, this is what he had to say

Korp was playing Utopia while you were in diapers. Korp's taken [poops] that know more about Utopia than most players. Korp once accidentally pk'd an entire kingdom. Korp gets a fifth general.

Plus, given his history with Dragons of Absalom, I'm pretty sure he's gone for everything.

There you go, a piece of education of utopian history ;) I never cared for being somebody thou, and the fact that you never heard of me is probably cause you havent been relevant enough. Why would I turn up in any diplomatic conversations for that matter it seems silly for someone to talk about a random utopian person. You havent warred a single SKD, SKD stopped existing a long time ago, you might have warred so called "top kingdom" which is a relevant term in this case, dont try to make yourself better than you are :)

[Anri]

Are you saying warring with a bank puts you at a disadvantage Anri?

Cause thats what I read from your post.

ofc, freekstyle was oor for dragons and the bank was more or less useless for anything else except aiding and x4 tapping for a quite low amount of acres vs freekstyle provs. Freekstyle was in the best range i can imagine a KD to be in. Freekstyle had the advantage. They know it, you dont citadel01.

It is very easy to say that Freekstyle won over a KD nearly double their size. But its not like that.
What really happend is they won vs a KD in the very same range as themselfs, the only difference is HoH had an aiding machine. Except for that HoH had nothing but worse gains because of the bank. They were bound to lose that war vs such an active KD like freekstyle.

I know this because freekstyle beat Simians when we had a bank. Our bank was not that big but it was big enough. I was down in crete drinking beer so not that i care. Freekstyle never won when i been around ;-). I cant help cheetzy played my bank and farmed it out to HoH and then gave freekstyle button while i was on semester. I would not be suprised if Simians lose a war vs Freekstyle again. If they war us over summer. Because most people know that Simians is chillaxing over summer and slacking. Hooraayyy to FS for beating us.

Anyway, im derailing my own thread.

Bank is not always an advantage. In reality FS win was nothing but an ordinary win. Nothing special. Just a win over HoH. Most people with any knowledge saw it coming.

Dont make me call you all nubs

[Korp]

Anyway, im derailing my own thread.

The Troll king in action, he cant help it!

[citadela01]

I never claimed it was omgwtfpqnwd win ... I dont even remember most of my own wars that far back let alone third party wars I didnt vitnesed first hand.
But to say knrg penalty bank inflicted outweighted benefits of its quadtapping and aiding is meh ... that just dont hold water.

[Korp]

But to say knrg penalty bank inflicted outweighted benefits of its quadtapping and aiding is meh ... that just dont hold water.

It does, a bank isnt all mighty powerfulll tool that makes it usefull all the time.

[Anri]

It does, a bank isnt all mighty powerfulll tool that makes it usefull all the time.

Good Korp, you handle this one ;-)

[baka]

[QUOTE=Korp;15146681]

Are you another of those guys of whom have not played in years and still continue to roam these forums like you're relevant?

If you dont know me you are probably an irrelevant person. :( or too new.




Oh, I thought you played in BIO :(


Why you so mad bro? But, let me quote a great person that talked about me once, this is what he had to say



There you go, a piece of education of utopian history ;) I never cared for being somebody thou, and the fact that you never heard of me is probably cause you havent been relevant enough. Why would I turn up in any diplomatic conversations for that matter it seems silly for someone to talk about a random utopian person. You havent warred a single SKD, SKD stopped existing a long time ago, you might have warred so called "top kingdom" which is a relevant term in this case, dont try to make yourself better than you are :)

See, you self admit that you hold no place in current conversations and base your points from roots of the past that has bear little to no significance currently. That is all you have for you, a history that is oh so forgotten. Again, my suggestion stands, which is for you to walk away quietly so that your little minute piece of relevance still remains in the fact that you're a has-been.

Or, you can take the second path which is actually be something of relevance now. E.g. build a kingdom from scratch and/or play somewhere where you have some sort of impact in.

A little grace can save you a lot of face. I'll gladly entertain your ego though, because that's obviously the only thing you have left remaining and I'm a man with a lot of empathy and pity.

Your turn.

[Korp]

See, you self admit that you hold no place in current conversations and base your points from roots of the past that has bear little to no significance currently.

No i didnt, i still probably hold more knowledge than you for example :(

That is all you have for you, a history that is oh so forgotten. Again, my suggestion stands, which is for you to walk away quietly so that your little minute piece of relevance still remains in the fact that you're a has-been.

History is a important part of the world, we should never forget, those who cant look forward and treasure history will never be able to walk towards the future!

Or, you can take the second path which is actually be something of relevance now. E.g. build a kingdom from scratch and/or play somewhere where you have some sort of impact in.

I just stand in the shadow of the great Troll king Anri!

A little grace can save you a lot of face. I'll gladly entertain your ego though, because that's obviously the only thing you have left remaining and I'm a man with a lot of empathy and pity.

So you dont play in BIO?

[jdorje]

Bank is not always an advantage.

Having a cow in a fight is always an advantage, unless the province is crap (i.e. no wpa). People have mocked our faery cow for some inexplicable reason, but she has a comparable income to the entirety of simians merchant kingdom and this is the only reason tacticians are able to compete with the superior merchant personality IMO. The only "disadvantage" you get is that most kingdoms try to protect their cow and play for its long-term growth, and this limits your actions some. But this is a choice, not a true disadvantage.

However having 5M of networth on a cow province is not as advantagous as having 5M of networth distributed across your core. If you're warring a kingdom 7M nw bigger than you with a 5M cow it just means you were in decent topfeed range and out of dragon range. But if they had an even core they *wouldn't* have been 7M bigger; the true advantage of a cow (especially this age with double explore costs) is that it lets you use your pool cheaply. One kingdom having a bad age and another having a good one is a much bigger boost than a cow will give, and with hoh/freakstyle that was probably the case.

[Persain]

Not to side track more but.... a couple of things about the mid ranged kds your talking about.

I feel i must adress the warring KDs in mid range as well.

Just out of curiosity what do u define mid range? As in mid range skill or nw wise?

You should grow and war KDs like us, if you think its easy. Were right here. Nothing stops you from growing to our range.

I dont think any kd would call a war with simians easy..even when u have ages like Age 51: Simians Recruiting 2 0 won out of 6 wars, or doubt that you can find a decent number of wars towards the top as in age 48 S i m i a n s HOSTILE 9 wars concluded. Heck growing up to war you guys specifically wouldn't a be bad concept, but as the mentality at the top is

And if some top KD gets farmed out of t10 it means they are having a bad age. It proves very little if you manage to beat such an KD.

And its history says that

Nothing says you cant have 5-6 wars in t10.

wont happen often which is a pain for any kd that hates going without war.

I also question when u say

Til then your nothing but a mid ranged KD that search for fights you only can win.

and

We go into each and every fight in the top never knowing the outcome. Because thats what keep game interesting.

does that mean that you kd only enters wars where you COULD win....if u dont know the out come its always possible you have a chance. From my perspective i read your opionin of your own kds wars the same way as you talk about mid-ranged kd's wars it just looks like u are looking down on them for not being in the top 10. And by your own admission

Its getting boring to war the same top KDs over and over.
Come to our range and beat us, i wont cry if you do and prove to us that you are as good as you say.

and as the attitude at the top even from the friendly kds, read your kd :P seems to get like this

I know this because freekstyle beat Simians when we had a bank. Our bank was not that big but it was big enough. I was down in crete drinking beer so not that i care. Freekstyle never won when i been around ;-).

It doesnt encourage kds to grow up and fight. If your really bored come down and have fun, being in the top 10 has never been fun in the ages i did it.

[jdorje]

May through July papers:

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 294 (49,056 acres)
-- Traditional march: 262 (48,269 acres)
-- Ambush: 11 (787 acres)
-- Conquest: 9 (541 acres)
-- Failed: 12 (4.1% failure)
-- Uniques: 145
Total attacks suffered: 379 (44,148 acres)
-- Traditional march: 332 (40,501 acres)
-- Ambush: 40 (3,647 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (5,385 population)
-- Failed: 6 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 157

Sanc continues to be slightly winning, though the margin hasn't really increased since the initial wave which we got half-free. Simians has closed the acre gap in the last wave, possibly due to a change in strategy by sanc that involved switching from trad march over to bounce attacks. Although this strategy was quickly abandoned, some damage had already been done and some still feel that it should be resumed or at least tested out periodically.

[Anri]

Let me rephrase myself.

We were "freekstyle" but we progressed, learnt new things, warred new kds, became effective in whoring and adapting to the targets around us.

Btw the age where we had 0/6 wins was the age with 25 orcs where we said before age started that we would WD from all fights at min time and make sure we won acres in all fights. That was accomplished til the near end when some KDs understod our way of fighting and started to claim acres back straight oow. People tend to get very upset if you farm their acres then hit WD button.
We had in no way a strategy that allowed us to recover in 48h eowcf. 3-4 of those wars would have been wins as well if we just kept going. For example vs DoA that we claimed 10k+ acres from. But we didnt care, we needed to get out and grow and wave the next KD. It was more then a valid tactic.

In this war we said all ready from the start we are going for the win, we are going for the acres and the honor also. But we are foremost going for the win. Acres and honor you normaly get when you beat a KD. We are still gunning for the win in all wars this age. All ages is not the same.
If they were then my KD would not have excisted for 50 ages.

What i define mid-range is where you can see a clear nw gap in the charts.
Mid range for me is right below t15 since they are nearly half our size and half our acres.

The mid range is spread from 4 mill nw to 7 mill networth pretty much.

Thats my definition of it. They are just oor from the top you know.

I am hoping that some KDs get inspired to at least try to compete in the top.

And yes, i think way to many KDs is affraid of losing so they dont dare to compete in the top.
I dont know how to inspire them in a positive way. If they are ready they should grow some and see if they can do it or not. It is worth the troubles...

My way is to annoy them the best way i can so they get mad enough to grow and hunt us :)

[Anri]

May through July papers:

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 294 (49,056 acres)
-- Traditional march: 262 (48,269 acres)
-- Ambush: 11 (787 acres)
-- Conquest: 9 (541 acres)
-- Failed: 12 (4.1% failure)
-- Uniques: 145
Total attacks suffered: 379 (44,148 acres)
-- Traditional march: 332 (40,501 acres)
-- Ambush: 40 (3,647 acres)
-- Massacre: 1 (5,385 population)
-- Failed: 6 (1.6% failure)
-- Uniques: 157

Sanc continues to be slightly winning, though the margin hasn't really increased since the initial wave which we got half-free. Simians has closed the acre gap in the last wave, possibly due to a change in strategy by sanc that involved switching from trad march over to bounce attacks. Although this strategy was quickly abandoned, some damage had already been done and some still feel that it should be resumed or at least tested out periodically.

Total Land 84,230 acres (avg: 3,369 acres) Sanctuary
Total Land 83,963 acres (avg: 3,358 acres) Simians

It says we are up in our summary and the LL gains are heavy to our side.

Starting land: 89k acres sanctuary
Starting land: 85k acres Simians

you do the math dorje...

Anyway, its not you doing bad, its only simians picking up activity and our bot is back plus i took a day off from work and Calle been active so we micromanaged hits and we did MS blankets, riots, greeds instead of using all power to NM/NS with our faerys. Maybe you did switch strategy. So did we, and we got way more active.
Sent some hundreds of sms today. I think activity will pick up even more. So watch out sanctuary!