Hostile Simians style

[Budlightyear]

Actually, I couldn't train up and win by day 7. Check the war charts.

And yet you somehow think the war was won by day 3, as you have repeatedly said.

Listen, Csarmi, I have nothing against you personally, but being a participant in this war, I feel like I have something to say.

This entire war was about you growing your acres. That's all it was. We had disabled several of your key attackers, and virtually every active province in your kingdom was running 50-mil+ TB deficits. You kept trying to fight at your kingdom's expense because you saw it was a chance to feed acres. We assumed we were warring a kingdom where the whole was more important than the single part. We assumed you guys would surrender when your provinces realized the only person "winning" was the greedy-a** bank. I certainly didn't think you would prolong the war forever because of your greed at the expense of everyone else in your kingdom.


Instead of railing on simians consider the fact that, in war, people can still be dishonorable... Not that I condone hitting into a war in principle, but I think you guys are underestimating the BS that was this war.


Edit: Add to this BS Csarmi bragging about his acre gains.

[KuhaN]

And yet you somehow think the war was won by day 3, as you have repeatedly said.

Listen, Csarmi, I have nothing against you personally, but being a participant in this war, I feel like I have something to say.

This entire war was about you growing your acres. That's all it was. We had disabled several of your key attackers, and virtually every active province in your kingdom was running 50-mil+ TB deficits. You kept trying to fight at your kingdom's expense because you saw it was a chance to feed acres. We assumed we were warring a kingdom where the whole was more important than the single part. We assumed you guys would surrender when your provinces realized the only person "winning" was the greedy-a** bank. I certainly didn't think you would prolong the war forever because of your greed at the expense of everyone else in your kingdom.


Instead of railing on simians consider the fact that, in war, people can still be dishonorable... Not that I condone hitting into a war in principle, but I think you guys are underestimating the BS that was this war.


Edit: Add to this BS Csarmi bragging about his acre gains.

Im sorry but his kdmates being disabled is irrelevant imo. If the war lasted forever, you'd find your kd would be at 0 acres, and csarmi's kd would be double in size (it doesnt matter if it's one person whoring all the acres or multiple players). The point is the end result.

[Budlightyear]

Im sorry but his kdmates being disabled is irrelevant imo. If the war lasted forever, you'd find your kd would be at 0 acres, and csarmi's kd would be double in size (it doesnt matter if it's one person whoring all the acres or multiple players). The point is the end result.

http://www.******************.eu/vei...ve-wars?id=662

I beg to differ.

[KuhaN]

http://www.******************.eu/vei...ve-wars?id=662

I beg to differ.

And what if the war lasted 999 days? If you think you could bounce down csarmi's province after everyone else is disabled, while he be sitting at like 40k acres, then you have the right to think that. But i think the end end result in the long run is csarmi getting fatter and fatter lol while you guys have no1 left to hit for acres.

So basically what im trying to say is, you guys probably wd in the long run (ofc if nobody outside were to interfere).

[Budlightyear]

And what if the war lasted 999 days? If you think you could bounce down csarmi's province after everyone else is disabled, while he be sitting at like 40k acres, then you have the right to think that. But i think the end end result in the long run is csarmi getting fatter and fatter lol while you guys have no1 left to hit for acres.

And if that's the way HE wanted to treat a war, so be it...

But I figured a kingdom is made of 20-25 players. Call it naive. I still think it's more honorable that farming a war you lost.

... which brings me to my point... who is more honorable here?

[KuhaN]

And if that's the way HE wanted to treat a war, so be it...

But I figured a kingdom is made of 20-25 players.

Call it naive. I still think it's more honorable that farming a war you lost.

Gaining acres is gaining acres imo.

A real team of 25 will have 24 players willing to sacrifice for 1 player.

[Budlightyear]

Gaining acres is gaining acres imo.

A real team of 25 will have 24 players willing to sacrifice for 1 player.

Then it's a shame that KDs who have no interest in actually fighting a war decide to declare war. Because that's lame as hell.

As far as I can tell your opinion is that it's noble to declare war, and even though you lose, hold out for as long as possible so that your bank can farm.

Once again, call me naive... but screw that.

[KuhaN]

Then it's a shame that KDs who have no interest in actually fighting a war decide to declare war. Because that's lame as hell.

As far as I can tell your opinion is that it's noble to declare war, and even though you lose, hold out for as long as possible so that your bank can farm.

Once again, call me naive... but screw that.

My definition of "winning" a war would be which kd will gain "all" the acres if the war *never* ended.

And that kd would have been csarmi's kd. Nothing else matters imho.

[Budlightyear]

My definition of "winning" a war would be which kd will gain "all" the acres if the war *never* ended.

And that kd would have been csarmi's kd. Nothing else matters imho.

My definition of winning a war is when one kingdom proves to be far more coordinated/active than the other kingdom. No one can tell what the ground situation will be 10 days from now, as much as you try.

I think 999 days from now, and we would have built up several provinces large enough to conquest him, or, failing that, large T/Ms running 30% guilds who could op him down. Don't pretend to think he could've kept everyone down at 50 acres per attack. I don't know what the war would've looked like if it went on 999 days. But I call BS on you knowing what it would've looked like...

[KuhaN]

My definition of winning a war is when one kingdom proves to be far more coordinated/active than the other kingdom. No one can tell what the ground situation will be 10 days from now, as much as you try.

I think 999 days from now, and we would have built up several provinces large enough to conquest him, or, failing that, large T/Ms running 30% guilds who could op him down. Don't pretend to think he could've kept everyone down at 50 acres per attack. I don't know what the war would've looked like if it went on 999 days. But I call BS on you knowing what it would've looked like...

You're right i dont know. I was just saying you should focus on the long long run.

We're all entitled to our own opinions nehow.

[csarmi]

And yet you somehow think the war was won by day 3, as you have repeatedly said.

Listen, Csarmi, I have nothing against you personally, but being a participant in this war, I feel like I have something to say.

Yes, strategically speaking, this war was ours to win since day 3 or 4. I don't wanna repeat myelf too much. You were caught between hammer and anvil. As soon as it turned out that you ca't touch the hammer (me) and you can't break the anvil (my topfeeders), you were doomed. It's okay if you didn't see that.

This entire war was about you growing your acres. That's all it was. We had disabled several of your key attackers, and virtually every active province in your kingdom was running 50-mil+ TB deficits.

Totally false. You disabled no one. The only guy you managed to 'chain' successfully was Mayson. That's because when he was being chained, he missed his army home by 8 hours. Then it was his first time being chained, and the releasing didn't go well. The 50 mill TB deficit only matters when your enemyemploys a strategy based on it. You never did, you kept hitting them, thus providing them more aid.

You kept trying to fight at your kingdom's expense because you saw it was a chance to feed acres. We assumed we were warring a kingdom where the whole was more important than the single part. We assumed you guys would surrender when your provinces realized the only person "winning" was the greedy-a** bank.

Your assumption was entirely correct. If you had beat our core, we would ahve withdrawn. Should you have had fought our core to a draw AND askedfor us to withdraw, we might have considered it. But the fact is that with banking help, our core beat yours fair and square. Surely you can see that. We started the war with all of our core smaller than yours, and by the end of the war most of our core was sitting on 1.8k acres or more. With offenses too. In the meantime, half your core was taken down to 120k nw.

I certainly didn't think you would prolong the war forever because of your greed at the expense of everyone else in your kingdom.

See above. We were gaining land, nw and honor. It was YOU ho never surrendered.

Instead of railing on simians consider the fact that, in war, people can still be dishonorable... Not that I condone hitting into a war in principle, but I think you guys are underestimating the BS that was this war.

What BS?

Edit: Add to this BS Csarmi bragging about his acre gains.

What on eath are you talking abot? I never bragged about anything. Please tell me you're kidding man. Surely you don't wanna say that posting war summaries without commentaire is bragging? Cause I ahven't got a clue what else you could mean.

[csarmi]

http://www.******************.eu/vei...ve-wars?id=662

I beg to differ.

Yet tat shows exactly Kuhan's point. Check the 5th horizontal line, and a little right from that, until the moment I got razed. What do you see? Cause I can see your nw and land dropping fast and ours raising fast.

[csarmi]

And what if the war lasted 999 days? If you think you could bounce down csarmi's province after everyone else is disabled, while he be sitting at like 40k acres, then you have the right to think that. But i think the end end result in the long run is csarmi getting fatter and fatter lol while you guys have no1 left to hit for acres.

So basically what im trying to say is, you guys probably wd in the long run (ofc if nobody outside were to interfere).

Kuhn, don't give him fuel pls. We have beat their core even...

[csarmi]

And what if the war lasted 999 days? If you think you could bounce down csarmi's province after everyone else is disabled, while he be sitting at like 40k acres, then you have the right to think that. But i think the end end result in the long run is csarmi getting fatter and fatter lol while you guys have no1 left to hit for acres.

So basically what im trying to say is, you guys probably wd in the long run (ofc if nobody outside were to interfere).

Also, as I mentioned several times, if the had beat our core, we wouldn't have kept fighting. We were warring for fun, warwin, honor and obviously the acres (as everyone does). We picked honor bonus. We ahd all of those. Fun, land, honor (and would have gotten ww).

[TeddybearSTHLM]

Its situation based. If our two banks held #1 and #2 and kept farming away with more then a 10k lead then a big yes.

Csarmi was growing out of control with millions worth of gc in one ToG. Why would anyone allow competition to win just like that? This was and is not a normal circumstance. It was just not any bank in any war and the situation is still very complicated.

Edit: Id allow competion to win if it was a friend or if we could not stop the enemy due to a CF or taking him out would be to risky.

Stop spouting your nonsense, you behaved very dishonorably and you dont even have the courtesy to call it for what it is. Actions speak louder than words. If I were in control of a kd and found myself in a position where razing into a simians war would benefit me, I would do it, as you have shown that you are ok with things such as these.