Huh? I wanted to have decent defence OOP, hence the trolls. By reading this thread i see your point. But with my situation having Stables suppplies me with me with more offense in the short term than Training Grounds. Yes TG have a quicker effect than Stables because Stables require time for horses to accumulate. And yes if i drafted and trained naught but Ogres then Training Grounds would be more effective. But i trained Trolls also. I get your point Bishop, put your fangs away. I was leading on from my first posting stating that Stables are worth it at the start of the Age. From what ive learned here it seems Training Grounds would have been better. The benefits of hindsight ...