AMA vs sanct round 2

[Pendel1]

This is my last post cause after that i will be most probably banned but:
1.@Proteus - you are lame ass gay ****ing idiot that knows **** abot anything, you were farmed this age and you will get all the ages that are yet to come. You had a bet and you did not pay it - this is the most retarded chaldish act I have seen in my entire uto career, and yes I play longer that you do this is 100% truth. You will never even get closer to what Elit has achieved in this game or his level of education or IQ points.<removed>
2. To sanctuary and goodz - You guys are LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, sanctuary got farmed and now just go fsu in attempt to stop us - but hey - WE WILL THE AGE and no matter how dirty you gona try we will. Goodz - remember me sucker? I have pwned you with Jerks and I will pwn you with MA.
SInce this is my last post in this forum, thanks for attention and I hope alot of people read this before it gets deleted!

[AquaSeaFoam]

you should know by now when you war 1 abs kingdom u end up warring another and another until 1 of them eventually wins.

So funny, Right now. When we waved you Dorje propose ~~ same "because you are alone". Bu he did it when we spend 1 week for prepare for you and Sanctuary double 2 cows. Now when we let you pump for free during we war you become brave...

It's funny how Elit can spend 1 week preparing to vulture Rage when Beastblood noticed Rage and was warring them, yet when Havoc notices Elit after they war another kingdom, now it's a dirty Abs powerplay. Elit seems to like to frequently brag about how skilled he was at vulturing Rage right after Rage warred Beastblood.

Sanctuary had been asking Elit to negotiate a new cf deal since before their war, but Elit wouldn't consider anything reasonable and refused all cf attempts, now he complains that Sanctuary didn't try harder and/or ask even more times for a new cf when Elit never once said he was now open to a cf or proposed one himself.

It's also funny how Elit can target share Havoc's cows to get people to rob them yet complain when his gold is robbed by the kingdom they refused to cf.

It looks to me like Elit got notice from Havoc and decided that they didn't really want to fight them so decided to re-wave Sanc to try and dodge havoc. This seems to have been their plan all along to do if they got notice (hence why they wouldn't cf Sanc.) Elit seemed to think he had some deal with Havoc that would require they retract their notice if Elit waved another kingdom after getting notice, but their deal had no such clause. Chalk that one up to Elit's English deficiency.

[Korp]

So what would you guys say if any other kingdom had robbed the gc?? AMA did not get a CF with Sanc and had gc sitting on 0 thieves, it has nothing to do with Havoc giving notice.

The issue here isnt the robbing of the gold, its the way its handled, one Absalom kingdom steals their gold another one gives notice. Such behavior from Absalom isnt unheard of since before, that one kingdom softens them up and then another kingdoms tries to take on the kingdom.


Its funny that ASF talks about ethics, hes so far the only person that ive heard off that gangbanged a kingdom just to get certain people quit Utopia. :) Also funny that ASF is suddenly avaible again :)

It's also funny how Elit can target share Havoc's cows to get people to rob them yet complain when his gold is robbed by the kingdom they refused to cf.

He didnt complain about the robbing, as you can read in this thread but I gues you rather whine :) Let me help you out.

"We don't complain and its was result from some ppl drink so much and forgot to train up :)" / Elit.

[Pendel1]

You as retarded as Proteus, just go back in the whole u were in.
I wonder how come since it came clear we farm Sanctuary all absalom leaders went inactive in forums, now they try to deffend the bull**** they are doing. Anyway we will show you who is the boss ingame.

[tetley]

Funny thing Is I probably make at least 10x more than you do. Maybe more considering you are from BG

Yet you still can't pay up on a bet.

Game, Set, Match...

re: jdorje's Question:
so why DIDN'T AMA CF Sanc?

[Elit]

It's funny how Elit can spend 1 week preparing to vulture Rage when Beastblood noticed Rage and was warring them, yet when Havoc notices Elit after they war another kingdom, now it's a dirty Abs powerplay. Elit seems to like to frequently brag about how skilled he was at vulturing Rage right after Rage warred Beastblood.

Sanctuary had been asking Elit to negotiate a new cf deal since before their war, but Elit wouldn't consider anything reasonable and refused all cf attempts, now he complains that Sanctuary didn't try harder and/or ask even more times for a new cf when Elit never once said he was now open to a cf or proposed one himself.

It's also funny how Elit can target share Havoc's cows to get people to rob them yet complain when his gold is robbed by the kingdom they refused to cf.

It looks to me like Elit got notice from Havoc and decided that they didn't really want to fight them so decided to re-wave Sanc to try and dodge havoc. This seems to have been their plan all along to do if they got notice (hence why they wouldn't cf Sanc.) Elit seemed to think he had some deal with Havoc that would require they retract their notice if Elit waved another kingdom after getting notice, but their deal had no such clause. Chalk that one up to Elit's English deficiency.

1. noting wrong if havoc notice us and Sanctuary don't interfere. You know it very well Notice come but still Sanctuary decide to start hurt us.
2. Sanctuary never proposed any new deal with us before or after war with us.
3. All propose on this cf deals is to keep it 1vs1. Rage abused this age 50 giving us notice 2h before our war with Mercy. Now havoc basically make same.
4. WE didn't target share havoc, we suspected Sanctuary in intra alliance farming and they did it.

[protector]

I dropped CF because you asked me too. I asked you if you wanted me too. Sanc did rob some GC from us and our KD told you it happened and that we did not authorise it (that is likely the only reason you know it happened). It was not much gold something like 28m Considering we just lost 50m+ from you leaking our intel on server. We saw you come OOW with 0 thieves on a cow and 250m gc and strongly considered sending a taunt etc. but then thought we would just send notice and wait. Apparently sanc robbed you of 100m gc. Before/After we hostiled im unsure.

Having done that 'timed' while you had people from both sanc/ma online would have been much better. You spoke the truth when you said you had a CF in place but Sanc apparantly robbed you AFTER you broke that CF. That's pretty lame from them.

My internet went out right when I sent notice apparently. Also just taking intel we got tons of oops errors. Is strange since havent had issue all age and sanc mentioned they got tons when opping you when you waved them or something. But I am going to assume is just something buggy with server! Or is CGG back! :P

Blaming game errors on other players :|

But in seriousness I told you multiple times before we noticed that we were noticing you ASAP. First when you lamely hit an unbreakable we pumped offense to open up. He hit us and you retaliated him immediately 2x. Stating that you saw us break him so you were watching our news to see him retal so you could hit him. Personally I find that quite lame. I asked acres back you said no I said im noticing you YR8. Then you leak my intel, I tell you give me back 50m gc you said no. I said I am noticing you YR8. EOW came I took your intel, cello messaged me. I told him we are taking it because we will be noticing you. NO one complained about this the entire time. So I don't see why it is surprising we noticed you.

If your terms with Elit say your notice gets put back in place if someone else hostiles Elit in the meantime (which Sanctuary does currently, your allie), then your notice is simply void. There is no dibs, period.

As for allies its not like absalom is the only alliance. We just tag. AMA as far as I can tell is allied with Simians/Ghetto cats?/beastblood/ex nihilo? I was told at start of age it was beastblood/simians/AMA/ex nihilo/bio? but not sure who is actually helping with that and who is just rumour. We were waved early by simians who stated they did it to help AMA for example. That is more coordinated effort to delay KD's then any abs did this age. I assume beastblood was likely asked to delay rage also. We just won both wars so now we are biggerish still. Anywho I have done my best to be fair all age. I think absalom in my first age here in general goes over the top to promote fairness. If I was solo I would have nap broke AMA ages ago for intel leaking me! But I in past have generally played a bit loose.

This is typical coming out of certain Absalom players mouths. Proteus says it every age. Did he infect you now that you're in Abs? Lol. :p


Unrelated to goodz post is that Sanctuary also happened to rob Beastblood just before receiving a notice from Mercy. This turning into a habit? Sore losers perhaps? :/

[AquaSeaFoam]

1. noting wrong if havoc notice us and Sanctuary don't interfere. You know it very well Notice come but still Sanctuary decide to start hurt us.
2. Sanctuary never proposed any new deal with us before or after war with us.
3. All propose on this cf deals is to keep it 1vs1. Rage abused this age 50 giving us notice 2h before our war with Mercy. Now havoc basically make same.
4. WE didn't target share havoc, we suspected Sanctuary in intra alliance farming and they did it.

1) Why not cf sanctuary if you didn't plan to use them to try and dodge havoc all along?
2) I know they did say they were interested in cfing and you said you were not.
3) What is 1v1? Is 1v1 when you vulture rage out of our war, but not when havoc notices you out of yours? Rage did notice you in age 50 before you fought another kingdom (Fury I believe, not Mercy), but let's not forget how your kingdom also hacked two Rage accounts to use to spy on us prior to that notice and got them both deleted after it.
4) You DID target share havoc. You posted about their cow having 0 thieves when they were intra kd shifting tb. They had an ingame cf with Sanctuary when you were target sharing them and yoru target sharing directly lead to them getting heavy ops from many kingdoms.

[Elit]

1) Why not cf sanctuary if you didn't plan to use them to try and dodge havoc all along?
2) I know they did say they were interested in cfing and you said you were not.
3) What is 1v1? Is 1v1 when you vulture rage out of our war, but not when havoc notices you out of yours? Rage did notice you in age 50 before you fought another kingdom (Fury I believe, not Mercy), but let's not forget how your kingdom also hacked two Rage accounts to use to spy on us prior to that notice and got them both deleted after it.
4) You DID target share havoc. You posted about their cow having 0 thieves when they were intra kd shifting tb. They had an ingame cf with Sanctuary when you were target sharing them and yoru target sharing directly lead to them getting heavy ops from many kingdoms.

1.You cant get it. There was zero reason to avoid havoc after our war with Sanctuary. We was preparing for them but sanctuary decide to interfere.
2. You know noting. None from sanctuary asked us for CF after/before our war.
3. You abused deal. Its all what mater.
4. If i want to target share some one i will make it in irc. Much faster and can stay hidden. My question was reasonable and after all it end with Sanctuary intra alliance farming.

If you want to explain start with: why ABS use intra alliance Farming and after it get 100$ from Proteus and pay his debt.

[goodz]

This is my last post cause after that i will be most probably banned but:
1.@Proteus - you are lame ass gay ****ing idiot that knows **** abot anything, you were farmed this age and you will get all the ages that are yet to come. You had a bet and you did not pay it - this is the most retarded chaldish act I have seen in my entire uto career, and yes I play longer that you do this is 100% truth. You will never even get closer to what Elit has achieved in this game or his level of education or IQ points. Imo shut the **** up, go **** yourself and your mother, then you can come and suck my dick!
2. To sanctuary and goodz - You guys are LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, sanctuary got farmed and now just go fsu in attempt to stop us - but hey - WE WILL THE AGE and no matter how dirty you gona try we will. Goodz - remember me sucker? I have pwned you with Jerks and I will pwn you with MA.
SInce this is my last post in this forum, thanks for attention and I hope alot of people read this before it gets deleted!

I don't believe you pwned me with jerks. We farmed like 10k acres and 20 honor from you but lost a war. You were just a lot bigger then us when you waved. Age after that I waved you when similar size and you didn't want war. Nothing really super strange happened between us except that you were possibly the worst person to do diplo with ever.

[AquaSeaFoam]

1.You cant get it. There was zero reason to avoid havoc after our war with Sanctuary. We was preparing for them but sanctuary decide to interfere.

Then why didn't you cf sanctuary?

2. You know noting. None from sanctuary asked us for CF after/before our war.

Sanctuary posted in the forums that they were open to cfing you before the war and you said you were not. I think there may have been more than just the forum posts, but even if it was only those, that's still sanctuary saying they're open to cfing and you saying you aren't.

3. You abused deal. Its all what mater.

Our notice was fully given in accordance to the terms of the deal. It's convenient for you to you say your kingdom hacking our provinces doesn't matter.

4. If i want to target share some one i will make it in irc. Much faster and can stay hidden. My question was reasonable and after all it end with Sanctuary intra alliance farming.

Your question could have been made directly to sanctuary and havoc, but instead you chose to target share havoc by posting accusations publicly in the forum when it was later proven that they had an ingame cf.

If you want to explain start with: why ABS use intra alliance Farming and after it get 100$ from Proteus and pay his debt.

"Abs" did not use intra alliance farming. Ingame cf's were in place during your accusations. According to the forum, one Sanctuary player robbed havoc without havoc's permission after havoc broke ingame cf as proof to you that your accusations were wrong. Since this was not agreed to and not authorized and not something Abs does or allows, havoc appears to have informed you of that one sanc players actions. Obviously that sanc player shouldn't have done that, but it's pretty desperate to try and claim that abs uses intra farming because one player did something unauthorized when cf was temporarily broken specifically for you to disprove your false accusations.

I don't have much say over forum bets and it did not involve me even though it appears that there were attempts to involve me when I was away. Although it didn't involve me, if you want my opinion, I'll give it. 1) I think that people shouldn't make bets that they don't intend to keep and that it should be clear if the bet is valid to both parties before the outcome takes place. 2) There seems to have been concern by at least one of the parties if the other would pay the bet had they won. If they are not confident in the other party paying should they win, then it makes sense that they might not want to make the bet at all since it'd be a situation where they could only lose or not get paid. There was clearly talk of using an intermediary to eliminate this problem but I was not available and they didn't find anyone else. This created a situation where continuing the bet placed both parties in position where if they won, they might not get paid and if they lost they either had to pay on what may have been a one sided bet or they looked like chumps for not paying.

Proteus seems to have considered the bet not in place without the intermediary. Kuhan says he'd have still paid although it's hard to know for sure. My opinion is therefore that if Proteus wanted an intermediary as condition of the bet as it seems he did from his posts before and after, then he should have made it more clear that the bet was only in place if that condition was met. Otherwise he left Kuhan in position where it was unclear if the bet was in place and where had Proteus won, he might have tried to claim the bet was still on, but still had enough gray area to claim that it was not on when he lost. Therefore, people should either 1) not make dumb internet bets, or 2) make sure the terms are clear to both parties and that both parties will stick to them.

[goodz]

1.You cant get it. There was zero reason to avoid havoc after our war with Sanctuary. We was preparing for them but sanctuary decide to interfere.
2. You know noting. None from sanctuary asked us for CF after/before our war.
3. You abused deal. Its all what mater.
4. If i want to target share some one i will make it in irc. Much faster and can stay hidden. My question was reasonable and after all it end with Sanctuary intra alliance farming.

If you want to explain start with: why ABS use intra alliance Farming and after it get 100$ from Proteus and pay his debt.

It looks to me like you wanted to double a few provinces. Hence keeping 0 tpa / the fact that your now doubling provinces. Doubling provinces 47h before waving us would seem pretty high risk unless you could claim that we cant notice you. (Before stealing i believe you stated that we could not notice you, after stealing you still stated we could not notice you).

I told you I was noticing you 4 days before i noticed you. You should have tried to do some diplo perhaps if you thought another KD might hit you after i noticed you.

I also told you I would reset hostile timer if you went and diploed a CF but you said no to doing that.

[Persain]

3) What is 1v1? Is 1v1 when you vulture rage out of our war, but not when havoc notices you out of yours?

did beastblood hit/op rage after their war, or did AMA simply vulture post war. Because simply vulturing post war would be what havok just tried to do. 2v1 is when havok notices AND sanc starts stealing gold CF in place or not.

[tetley]

why didn't the cow just have some thieves lol?

[goodz]

did beastblood hit/op rage after their war, or did AMA simply vulture post war. Because simply vulturing post war would be what havok just tried to do. 2v1 is when havok notices AND sanc starts stealing gold CF in place or not.

I thoguht you guys said a notice wasn't hostile! so how can i double hostile already! :p

but just playing persain. Still pretty confident I can pass anri in forum posts before eoa