AMA vs sanct round 2

[Palem]

mostly the all talk thing

[Realest]

how many people still following the posts? I got lost halfway.

[KuhaN]

how many people still following the posts? I got lost halfway.

All neutral parties aren't reading them, so writing essays is pretty much a waste of time.

saD.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Are you mean other non abs kds talk but do noting for this lame move from abs or its about us :P
You are messing it all. Last time we talked with Dorje was me contact him and its after they start retal our hits and make ops. Its clear i cant CF him when he is doing huge dmg to us and he is not in position to war us. Its all done on propose for slow us against havoc. Only resonable way for CF him was include reset notice with havoc so we can get time to prepare, not being instant waved after we cf.

Stop dodge facts. You double hostile AMA because you cant win 1vs1. Classic ABS move.

Elit, stop dodge facts. You tried to dodge Havoc when they noticed you because you can't win 1vs1. Classic Elit move. *Ok, enough ElitSpeek before I get banned.*

You are fighting Havoc 1v1 now. Sanc is fighting pewpew. I know you're mad about having to fight Havoc when you wanted to avoid them, but sometimes you can't always dodge kingdoms that want to wave you. For example, we didn't want you to wave us either right after our war, but at least we weren't nub enough to try waving some other kingdom to dodge you.

After you first waved Sanc, Havoc offered to re-cf you if you cf'd sanc with 0 net acres. You refused that offer too saying you wanted 30k acres. When havoc first noticed you immediately out of your post war (and after warning you previously that they would indeed notice once you were out), you were already telling them they were not allowed to notice you since you didn't cf sanc.

Your reply to their notice was, "We still don't have re-cf with sanctuary and they have dragon vs us. When its sloved we can get notice."

This was before any thievery from Sanc or at least before you were aware of any. It's clear you wouldn't cf sanc because you thought that was your ticket to dodge havoc. After havoc told you the notice stands and it was in accordance with the terms of your agreement, you then found some Sanc rob gc ops and quickly waved them to again say the notice wasn't allowed (even though it was still in accordance with the agreement.) After waving Sanc, you then dropped a bunch of explore pool onto your halflings and hit fortified (as was always your plan.)

I know it sucks to be vultured (remember, you did it to us in a more lopsided situation than this one), but trying to run from a kingdom noticing you by waving a weaker one just causes trouble. You were in quite decent position to fight Havoc since you were already decently bigger than them and could have been well prepared after going fort by the time the notice was up. You probably could have even been in a stronger position than them had you not been so greedy with wanting to use your pool and try and dodge them. Instead you decided in advance you wouldn't "accept" their notice and instead of getting ready for them you'd use your explore pool and use Sanc as an excuse to not fight Havoc.

[Elit]

AquaSeaFoam, stop guess what we are going to do and stick to facts.
1. Havoc gave notice us, and i told them Sanctuary have dragon on us. at this time didunt know they are robing. Most simple solution was Sanctuary to drop his dragon and ask for cf. After it we dont have reason to refuse it and our notice with Havoc will be 100% legit.
2. Havoc waved us IN ACTIVE HOSTILE. Both Sanctuary and AMA traded cow hits/dragons,core hits,ops. Meter for both sides was over 50. Giving notice DONT GIVE YOU RIGHT TO WAVE IN ACTIVE HOSTILE.
3. We are not vultured, we was double hostile. There is huge difference.
4. No, we didn't vulture Rage. You had 72h notice and none bug you during this time. How Proteus posted many times last age 4 days post war+72h notice is enough time. You had it. We didn't because Sanctuary decide to ops us right after post war.

[PhoenixScorpion]

AquaSeaFoam, stop guess what we are going to do and stick to facts.
1. Havoc gave notice us, and i told them Sanctuary have dragon on us. at this time didunt know they are robing. Most simple solution was Sanctuary to drop his dragon and ask for cf. After it we dont have reason to refuse it and our notice with Havoc will be 100% legit.
2. Havoc waved us IN ACTIVE HOSTILE. Both Sanctuary and AMA traded cow hits/dragons,core hits,ops. Meter for both sides was over 50. Giving notice DONT GIVE YOU RIGHT TO WAVE IN ACTIVE HOSTILE.
3. We are not vultured, we was double hostile. There is huge difference.

Elit, that's interesting due to the fact that Dragons are not considered to be a Hostile. Also having a Dragon pointed at you was never terms of any CF deal with Havoc. If I was Havoc and you dodged me waving an ally after I gave you clear notice, I would have waved you straight away after you waved Sanctuary in an attempt to twist the notice. Also by the way, giving notice does give you right to wave if noticed party act in a way that voids the point of the notice, which you did by pursuing an outside fight with a KD that was honestly in no position to war you on even terms. Your third point and what ASF was saying is that you knew Havoc was not going to let you prepare, thus vulture, which is same reason you tried to exploit losing some GC on a prov who could have lost it to anyone as a pretext to not honor you notice and agreement with Havoc. Seeing as you made your wave on Sanctuary without even the prelim diplo and attempt to have the Gc perhaps returned by Sanc, shows you had no intention of honoring the notice and warring Havoc after your war. But instead shows you all along was going to attempt to Hostile/bully Sanc into providing a Hostile cover for you until you felt you was in a decent position to fight Havoc. In light of this and your action all age against us and our allied KD's its still amazing you actually thought we was just going to keep letting you pull shenanigans and powerplay without some type of reaction. So stop crying about it please...

[Elit]

Elit, that's interesting due to the fact that Dragons are not considered to be a Hostile. Also having a Dragon pointed at you was never terms of any CF deal with Havoc. If I was Havoc and you dodged me waving an ally after I gave you clear notice, I would have waved you straight away after you waved Sanctuary in an attempt to twist the notice. Also by the way, giving notice does give you right to wave if noticed party act in a way that voids the point of the notice, which you did by pursuing an outside fight with a KD that was honestly in no position to war you on even terms. Your third point and what ASF was saying is that you knew Havoc was not going to let you prepare, thus vulture, which is same reason you tried to exploit losing some GC on a prov who could have lost it to anyone as a pretext to not honor you notice and agreement with Havoc. Seeing as you made your wave on Sanctuary without even the prelim diplo and attempt to have the Gc perhaps returned by Sanc, shows you had no intention of honoring the notice and warring Havoc after your war. But instead shows you all along was going to attempt to Hostile/bully Sanc into providing a Hostile cover for you until you felt you was in a decent position to fight Havoc. In light of this and your action all age against us and our allied KD's its still amazing you actually thought we was just going to keep letting you pull shenanigans and powerplay without some type of reaction. So stop crying about it please...

lol you just admit you are ready to break instant CF and wave because we related Sanctuary. Nice...will keep it in mind.

[AquaSeaFoam]

AquaSeaFoam, stop guess what we are going to do and stick to facts.
1. Havoc gave notice us, and i told them Sanctuary have dragon on us. at this time didunt know they are robing. Most simple solution was Sanctuary to drop his dragon and ask for cf. After it we dont have reason to refuse it and our notice with Havoc will be 100% legit.
2. Havoc waved us IN ACTIVE HOSTILE. Both Sanctuary and AMA traded cow hits/dragons,core hits,ops. Meter for both sides was over 50. Giving notice DONT GIVE YOU RIGHT TO WAVE IN ACTIVE HOSTILE.
3. We are not vultured, we was double hostile. There is huge difference.
4. No, we didn't vulture Rage. You had 72h notice and none bug you during this time. How Proteus posted many times last age 4 days post war+72h notice is enough time. You had it. We didn't because Sanctuary decide to ops us right after post war.

Every time Sanctuary has tried to cf you, you've refused or demanded a huge amount of acres. Yeah, you were hostile. You also had the option to end that hostile with one mouse click if you wanted by accepting the ingame cf offer. Trying to dodge notices by waving another weaker kingdom is just not smart since stuff like this can happen.

You noticed us when you were around 50% larger than us when we had just exited our post war with Beastblood. You had multiple cows while we had none. You had nearly all your faeries and halflings unbreakable. You had an undead core in range. We had also just put a huge amount in exploring trying to get in position that we could actually have a chance. That is a completely different from exiting a war already 10% bigger than a kingdom noticing you. Despite your much stronger position with havoc, you choose to make excuses on their notice not being valid and then wave another kingdom to dodge them. Despite our much worse position we didn't try any such silly things.

[PhoenixScorpion]

lol you just admit you are ready to break instant CF and wave because we related Sanctuary. Nice...will keep it in mind.

Yes I would. If you attempt to bully my allies while dodging my notice at the same time you would have pretty much ensured I would wave you. I'm old school and not with this stupid way people play now like a bunch of sissies...

[Elit]

Every time Sanctuary has tried to cf you, you've refused or demanded a huge amount of acres.

How many times need to tell you: Sanctuary never propose any CF deal with us. I cant refuse when there is not propose.

Yes I would. If you attempt to bully my allies while dodging my notice at the same time you would have pretty much ensured I would wave you. I'm old school and not with this stupid way people play now like a bunch of sissies...

I'm old school too and i keep my deals/promises.

[PhoenixScorpion]

I'm old school too and i keep my deals/promises.

Waving a KD that is 60% your size that you cant war, because they stole GC from a prov you left completely undefended, to then use as a pretext to try and force a CF extension and void a notice I gave you is not keeping you deals/promises, please.

[AquaSeaFoam]

How many times need to tell you: Sanctuary never propose any CF deal with us. I cant refuse when there is not propose.

To dorje:
[00:14] <Elit> but atm we wont stop hits will we get war or new extend cf with havoc after you rob us


<goodz> okay give sanc acres back to even from oow. Immediate cf and ill give 48h from now

April 2 of YR8 Sanctuary of Absalom () has proposed a formal ceasefire with our kingdom.

I could find other quotes of dorje telling you that Sanc was open to cf's at numerous times as well, but every time they even hint at a cf, you come back with some hyperbole about how you'll wave them until the meters are maxed and you get war or until you get some ridiculous demands like 30k acres and week long cf's with other kingdoms included in the package.

[Elit]

To dorje:
[00:14] <Elit> but atm we wont stop hits will we get war or new extend cf with havoc after you rob us


<goodz> okay give sanc acres back to even from oow. Immediate cf and ill give 48h from now

April 2 of YR8 Sanctuary of Absalom () has proposed a formal ceasefire with our kingdom.

I could find other quotes of dorje telling you that Sanc was open to cf's at numerous times as well, but every time they even hint at a cf, you come back with some hyperbole about how you'll wave them until the meters are maxed and you get war or until you get some ridiculous demands like 30k acres and week long cf's with other kingdoms included in the package.

Session Start: Sun Apr 14 00:11:05 2013
Session Ident: dorje

Session Start: Sun Apr 14 00:31:57 2013
Session Ident: goodz

1. After We wave Sanctuary they made FG/FB run all his mana and Cow hits. Its clear after it we cant CF them when we dont have left gold and prepare for Havoc for 48h so only solution is to get new war or reasonable extend notice deal.
2. Goodz propose don't make sense after we loss land and after we loss gold/pess. how he will return it to us? 48h notice reset simple cant work.
3. April 2 of YR8 Sanctuary of Absalom () has proposed a formal ceasefire with our kingdom., Every ghetto propose in game CF when cant fight back and its all. Good kds normally use irc diplomacy and set terms. Sanctuary missed this part. Blank propose CF don't give you deal.

[MrCurious]

Waving a KD that is 60% your size that you cant war, because they stole GC from a prov you left completely undefended, to then use as a pretext to try and force a CF extension and void a notice I gave you is not keeping you deals/promises, please.

Tell that to goodz who accepted that clause when he negotiated a CF. Please.

[Korp]

Just throwing this out here there is no size limit when both kingdoms maxed meter