AMA vs sanct round 2

[curdie]

Fair thing to do would be to admit you lost fight and lost good amount of acres and not make excuses about it. If you did not try to deny it or make excuses no one would even say anything.

Some would say the same thing applys to paying up on losing bets you make.

[DM_Benjamin]

lol @PS - last time I delt with him he was all mouth and rude manners then poof half way through the age he went from 25 prov kingdom to like 19 and his prov was gone. nothing changes

This would be because his kingdom merged with Mercy of Absalom to form Havoc. The kingdom shell is now owned and being reformed by Wizard into his old Lothlorien kingdom

[Elldallan]

This sums it up IMO, it is how I have seen it from the start.

So you may think but pretty much everyone who is not in Abs seems to disagree with you.
Do you also think that MA should not have reacted to Sanct stealing 100M+ just as their ally was giving notice?
Yes notice was valid but it's utterly dickish to initiate 2v1 against MA when they clearly had active hostile with Sanct which Sanct had clearly started, not MA.
Sanct was willing to CF MA yes but they were not willing to give MA anything, they were not willing to negotiate, that is not really being willing to cf, it's like saying Elit's obvious troll offer was an attempt to broker a CF.

Elit did not initiate the situation with Sanct, Sanct did that by getting involved again, if it was Abs in that situation you would have gone after the perpetrator the same as MA did and would have cried bloody murder if anyone double hostiled you and then proceeded to send every single ABS kd against the poor bastard

[Elit]

This sums it up IMO, it is how I have seen it from the start.

this sum is complete wrong on timing+lies.

What happen is:
1. We know our cow messed it and because he didn't up his phone we got his sots and on Sanc cows sots to track gold. When we know our cow have 0 thives we need to be retard to "plan wave sanctuary".
2. We got report from one from our undead he get rob ops from Sanctuary. He had TPA+CS.
3. We got notice.
4. We got new sot on our cow, hes gold was gone, we got new sots on Sanctuary Cows, they had much more gold.
5. We waved Sanctuary for it.
6. Sanctuary start retal+ops
7. I send second in-game msg to Havoc: inform them we are in active hostile again.

About How legit or not is notice we can argue, but for what we cant argue is Havoc waved AMA in very active hostile. Argument for Dodge when your alliance mate start rob your notice target, and same time leaders on both kds share same private channel is not Serious. Ops was done from Sanctuary on propose to prevent us from prepare and when we waved them all what they did was 1 FG our gold 2 FB our provinces. Both this ops dont help them for hostile/war us when we are not in Dragon range. All was done on propose to prevent us prepare for Havoc. Both kds traded dragons = need alot trops for kill it too.
Sanctuary never proposed CF deal with us too.

Don't matter how you sum it Havoc made wave in active hostile. Stick to facts.

[fuzzy|]

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Don't matter how you sum it Havoc made wave in active hostile. Stick to facts.

anything to win a crown hey? glory at all cost's - so sad

[DHaran]

I've yet to see a legitimate excuse to double AMA, just walls of text. Abs wants to pretend they dictate who waves who and what hostiles are real or not, which is just entirely outrageous. There is nothing unethical about the #1 kingdom waving the #5 kingdom, even if it's true they did so just to dodge #2. The only unethical act was Havoc waving into an active hostile.

[Korp]

I've yet to see a legitimate excuse to double AMA, just walls of text. Abs wants to pretend they dictate who waves who and what hostiles are real or not, which is just entirely outrageous. There is nothing unethical about the #1 kingdom wavings the #5 kingdom, even if it's true they did so just to dodge #2.

The legit excuse according to people like PS would be "They targetshared Havoc they had it coming"

[KuhaN]

Don't matter how you sum it Havoc made wave in active hostile. Stick to facts.

This quote wins the thread, everybody shutup now.

[PhoenixScorpion]

I let you figure this one out yourself but its there you just have to look for it.

Sure ok troll ;)

So, to prove a point Havoc needs to double hostile them? Thats big balls there, just shows they cant handle them on their own. Besides, its been well known that Havoc is a living gold farm all age. What relations? There was no relations when Sanc stole from AMA, I think you are really confused. (Besides ASF been preaching in this thread how Sanc wanted a cf all the time pretty strange way to show that dont you think?) I guess you would let people steal your money and then do nothing, thanks you will be my personal gold farm next age. Now you're just confusing, please be more coherent.

Im pretty sure you either cant read or comprehend much. It has nothing to do with if Havoc was know as not having thieves or not. The fact that Elit same to public forums in a clear attempt to draw attention to Havoc and target-share is sad. Notice is relations n00b, or there is no point in notices and they should be done with to begin with. Not saying I even agree with the whole noticing scheme thats been set up I think it shows how sissified Utopia has become compared to relations in the past. I love how you put words into people mouth they have never spoken to support your argument. Seems your only way to debate a subject is to go off on tangents and play semantical hopscoth. I would never run 0 thieves for extended periods oow so GL using me as a gold farm like you would ever even know what prov I play LMAO. Im not confused and been pretty clear on my position and reasoning. Just because you cant comprehend something doesnt mean its confusing or incoherent. False dilemna much?

Now you just trying to save face, there is no declare range period. Its okey to not know these kind of things you are after all quite new to utopia again. Nothing to be ashamed off!

Save face how? If there is no "declare" range, then how come some wars can be declared as soon one side is hostile when they are within "range" while others need a max meter to trigger automatic war? You are like I said just playing semantical games and being a troll. I understand that and accept you are nothing more than a troll lol.

They encourage fair play with double hostiles, vulturing? Strange way to encourage something.

Encouraging is one thing. Fighting fire with fire is another.

Then I am afraid you dont know **** :) But this I guess just proves what a fanboy you are.

Being as you have never been Absalom friendly, applied to Absalom, nor played in their KD or in a leadership position as I have I am pretty sure you are the one with no idea on the interworkings and relations between their KD's. You are simply an anti-Absalom fanboy who spreads AABS propaganda.

Its not a advance notice, if it was a notice then it would be a breach of the deal their made. How you dont get that is beyond me. Yea, you people like to claim that but you have no proof of it so its just speculations at best.

It wasnt official notice stooge. It was a honroable forewarning that notice was coming. Are you seriously like brain handicapped or trolling. Honestly alot of the times you post things its hard to know the difference. goodz and Elit both posted and confirmed that he informed Elit days before the official notice.

No, the hostile started when Sanc retalled them most likely cause that seems rather logical. Not opinions like jdorjes. You dont know much about the alliances of Utopia apparently, but its quite obvious, actually you kinda sound like a newb when you talk about alliances like that. I been around on the recieving end so many times when Absalom pulled lame **** so I dont buy into your propaganda but its okey. I probably played longer in Abs than you have :/ But its okey, you can keep on being an Absalom fanboy its okey, but dont do it here please :(

You right when you say I dont know alot about most of the alliance in Utopia as I have only dealth with the ones I have posted because I looked at the rest as either n00b or a unhonorable. I can see why you have been on the receiving end of Absalom fury so many times. Your camp and allies even currently have done much worse than Absalom has in same timespan. There is a reason most of the leaders of decent leaders AABS KD's and AABS alliance members now play in Absalom. So I dont but into your hate just because you have got pwned at one point or another, its ok to be an AABs fanboy, but dont do it here lease ;)

lol @PS - last time I delt with him he was all mouth and rude manners then poof half way through the age he went from 25 prov kingdom to like 19 and his prov was gone. nothing changes

Whatever your talking about. Most of the KD's I have built have existed for very long periods of time and had very nice war records and finishes.

I've yet to see a legitimate excuse to double AMA, just walls of text. Abs wants to pretend they dictate who waves who and what hostiles are real or not, which is just entirely outrageous. There is nothing unethical about the #1 kingdom waving the #5 kingdom, even if it's true they did so just to dodge #2. The only unethical act was Havoc waving into an active hostile.

People asked for these types of shenanigans when they set up this cowardly and stupid notice system. I think it should actually go back to the old "unethical" way of free for all and let the blood and chips fall where they may. IT reminds me of when n00b used to complain about "black ops" and called people unethical and unhonorable for using them, utter nonsense. If their is an ability to do something within the game system then obviously its condoned...

[KuhaN]

Sure ok troll ;)





Im pretty sure you either cant read or comprehend much. It has nothing to do with if Havoc was know as not having thieves or not. The fact that Elit same to public forums in a clear attempt to draw attention to Havoc and target-share is sad. Notice is relations n00b, or there is no point in notices and they should be done with to begin with. Not saying I even agree with the whole noticing scheme thats been set up I think it shows how sissified Utopia has become compared to relations in the past. I love how you put words into people mouth they have never spoken to support your argument. Seems your only way to debate a subject is to go off on tangents and play semantical hopscoth. I would never run 0 thieves for extended periods oow so GL using me as a gold farm like you would ever even know what prov I play LMAO. Im not confused and been pretty clear on my position and reasoning. Just because you cant comprehend something doesnt mean its confusing or incoherent. False dilemna much?



Save face how? If there is no "declare" range, then how come some wars can be declared as soon one side is hostile when they are within "range" while others need a max meter to trigger automatic war? You are like I said just playing semantical games and being a troll. I understand that and accept you are nothing more than a troll lol.


Encouraging is one thing. Fighting fire with fire is another.



Being as you have never been Absalom friendly, applied to Absalom, nor played in their KD or in a leadership position as I have I am pretty sure you are the one with no idea on the interworkings and relations between their KD's. You are simply an anti-Absalom fanboy who spreads AABS propaganda.




It wasnt official notice stooge. It was a honroable forewarning that notice was coming. Are you seriously like brain handicapped or trolling. Honestly alot of the times you post things its hard to know the difference. goodz and Elit both posted and confirmed that he informed Elit days before the official notice.



You right when you say I dont know alot about most of the alliance in Utopia as I have only dealth with the ones I have posted because I looked at the rest as either n00b or a unhonorable. I can see why you have been on the receiving end of Absalom fury so many times. Your camp and allies even currently have done much worse than Absalom has in same timespan. There is a reason most of the leaders of decent leaders AABS KD's and AABS alliance members now play in Absalom. So I dont but into your hate just because you have got pwned at one point or another, its ok to be an AABs fanboy, but dont do it here lease ;)



Whatever your talking about. Most of the KD's I have built have existed for very long periods of time and had very nice war records and finishes.



People asked for these types of shenanigans when they set up this cowardly and stupid notice system. I think it should actually go back to the old "unethical" way of free for all and let the blood and chips fall where they may. IT reminds me of when n00b used to complain about "black ops" and called people unethical and unhonorable for using them, utter nonsense. If their is an ability to do something within the game system then obviously its condoned...

Translation: Yea, AMA got double hostiled, but whocares? Notices are for n00bs neways, we need to go back to the old skool ways. It was funner back then imo.

[Soul_Hunter]

And to add after 48 pages of talk Absalom's point: "Yeah Havoc vultured AMA, but that's because they target shared them before that!" :) After 3 days of talk all the arguments come down to this :D.

[Korp]

Save face how? If there is no "declare" range, then how come some wars can be declared as soon one side is hostile when they are within "range" while others need a max meter to trigger automatic war? You are like I said just playing semantical games and being a troll. I understand that and accept you are nothing more than a troll lol.

You said one thing, which was wrong now you make up a reason to cover your ignorance about the game. Then you must be really stupid if you think and accept I am a troll and yet you keep replying to me over and over again. :(

Encouraging is one thing. Fighting fire with fire is another.

I realize you dont know what I am talking about its fine, but carry on believing Absalom is the good guys. Its nice to live a world filled with lies.

Being as you have never been Absalom friendly, applied to Absalom, nor played in their KD or in a leadership position as I have I am pretty sure you are the one with no idea on the interworkings and relations between their KD's. You are simply an anti-Absalom fanboy who spreads AABS propaganda.

How would you know? I dont even know you and you seem to apparently know everything about me? Do I have a fan? Ive played in several Absalom kingdoms, I also been a member of Absalom, I spent enough time with Absalom people to know what I talk about. So, your accusations are kinda patethic, at least if you gonna try and throw **** at me know what you talk about :)

It wasnt official notice stooge. It was a honroable forewarning that notice was coming. Are you seriously like brain handicapped or trolling. Honestly alot of the times you post things its hard to know the difference. goodz and Elit both posted and confirmed that he informed Elit days before the official notice.

How patethic can you be? Just take it as it was a message that they would notice them as soon as possible. The issue wasnt if there was a message relayed or nothing its your choice of wording, I notice your notice with a n otice so you know i will notice your notice.

You right when you say I dont know alot about most of the alliance in Utopia as I have only dealth with the ones I have posted because I looked at the rest as either n00b or a unhonorable. I can see why you have been on the receiving end of Absalom fury so many times. Your camp and allies even currently have done much worse than Absalom has in same timespan. There is a reason most of the leaders of decent leaders AABS KD's and AABS alliance members now play in Absalom. So I dont but into your hate just because you have got pwned at one point or another, its ok to be an AABs fanboy, but dont do it here lease ;)

Yet you proclaim that most of them are ****, how ironic :) My camp? Okey, provide examples please you seem to know more about me than I do. Its fascinating, that you claim the unhonorable things that Absalom does as pwning someone and when anti-abs does its "dishonorable" .. *shrugs*

Whatever your talking about. Most of the KD's I have built have existed for very long periods of time and had very nice war records and finishes.

I never heard of you so you probably had a lot of glorified ghettos.

People asked for these types of shenanigans when they set up this cowardly and stupid notice system. I think it should actually go back to the old "unethical" way of free for all and let the blood and chips fall where they may. IT reminds me of when n00b used to complain about "black ops" and called people unethical and unhonorable for using them, utter nonsense. If their is an ability to do something within the game system then obviously its condoned...

Yet you are here crying about how unfair anti-absalom is and how much **** they pulled, if using your above post you should congratulate them for not being such pussies.

[DHaran]

People asked for these types of shenanigans when they set up this cowardly and stupid notice system. I think it should actually go back to the old "unethical" way of free for all and let the blood and chips fall where they may. IT reminds me of when n00b used to complain about "black ops" and called people unethical and unhonorable for using them, utter nonsense. If their is an ability to do something within the game system then obviously its condoned...

Then don't do any notice deals next age.

[guard14n]

Sure ok troll ;)





Im pretty sure you either cant read or comprehend much. It has nothing to do with if Havoc was know as not having thieves or not. The fact that Elit same to public forums in a clear attempt to draw attention to Havoc and target-share is sad. Notice is relations n00b, or there is no point in notices and they should be done with to begin with. Not saying I even agree with the whole noticing scheme thats been set up I think it shows how sissified Utopia has become compared to relations in the past. I love how you put words into people mouth they have never spoken to support your argument. Seems your only way to debate a subject is to go off on tangents and play semantical hopscoth. I would never run 0 thieves for extended periods oow so GL using me as a gold farm like you would ever even know what prov I play LMAO. Im not confused and been pretty clear on my position and reasoning. Just because you cant comprehend something doesnt mean its confusing or incoherent. False dilemna much?



Save face how? If there is no "declare" range, then how come some wars can be declared as soon one side is hostile when they are within "range" while others need a max meter to trigger automatic war? You are like I said just playing semantical games and being a troll. I understand that and accept you are nothing more than a troll lol.


Encouraging is one thing. Fighting fire with fire is another.



Being as you have never been Absalom friendly, applied to Absalom, nor played in their KD or in a leadership position as I have I am pretty sure you are the one with no idea on the interworkings and relations between their KD's. You are simply an anti-Absalom fanboy who spreads AABS propaganda.




It wasnt official notice stooge. It was a honroable forewarning that notice was coming. Are you seriously like brain handicapped or trolling. Honestly alot of the times you post things its hard to know the difference. goodz and Elit both posted and confirmed that he informed Elit days before the official notice.



You right when you say I dont know alot about most of the alliance in Utopia as I have only dealth with the ones I have posted because I looked at the rest as either n00b or a unhonorable. I can see why you have been on the receiving end of Absalom fury so many times. Your camp and allies even currently have done much worse than Absalom has in same timespan. There is a reason most of the leaders of decent leaders AABS KD's and AABS alliance members now play in Absalom. So I dont but into your hate just because you have got pwned at one point or another, its ok to be an AABs fanboy, but dont do it here lease ;)



Whatever your talking about. Most of the KD's I have built have existed for very long periods of time and had very nice war records and finishes.



People asked for these types of shenanigans when they set up this cowardly and stupid notice system. I think it should actually go back to the old "unethical" way of free for all and let the blood and chips fall where they may. IT reminds me of when n00b used to complain about "black ops" and called people unethical and unhonorable for using them, utter nonsense. If their is an ability to do something within the game system then obviously its condoned...

Can anyone explains me how is this not BS ? Blah blah blah ABS rule blah blah blah we 2v1 AMA so ? blah blah blah u are noobs blah. Couldnt u fit all of this BS into one paragraph ?! Jeez ...

[AquaSeaFoam]

lost in all this is the fact that Elit completely farms havoc if sanc keeps their hands to themselves. why then, pray tell, would Elite want to dodge the keys to the crown?

This is what I keep asking him. Why oh why didn't he just cf Sanc and fight havoc 1v1 when he knew havoc was going to notice him. The answer seems to be that the pressure got to him and he didn't have your guidance to lead him to the crown. I'm sure he was under a lot of stress. What if havoc beat him 1v1? I guess in his mind, he thought the road to the crown was to not cf Sanc during post war and use that as an excuse to try and deny Havoc's right to notice him so he could use his pool and get out of range of havoc having any chance against them.

But you're right, the keys and the road to the crown was right in front of him. All he needed to do was cf Sanc and beat Havoc in a war and the crown was his. But people crack under pressure and make dumb decisions all the time. If only he had your hand on the wheel.