Blackmail for cf's...

[Elit]

the only reason to go above 100k or so acres is to try to war ABS or crown so to all the people who QQ about farming acres or strange CF deals all i have to say is stop growing or learn to diplo better.

I have told it many time: Only correct way is 1. build strong kd 2. start grow and war ABS. If you can win 1vs1 against ABS kds in ~~even terms you are good enough for compete with them. Problem is many kds choice to start small and compete with less active/organized kds. They grow middle age and how work sci system there is no way to beat kd who was bigger all age from you.
ABS have to deal with 1 max 2 kds per age from begin. After it they got control on top and its easy to keep it with 4 kds in top 5.

About bad and good deals. Its don't depend only from your wish. You get deal what you can get. Some times you don't have choice. Good example for it is Rage this age. They was forced to gave 2 free waves and eoa nap. With sage who is supposed to be strong after midle age and they cant war his only competitor its make all kd setup pure waste.

[Palem]

But I miss you.

*huggles*

I'm doing diplo last 20 ages in top kds Palem, and I'm very good on it. This age AMA did all much better from all abs+hoh kds. Its include planing, growing,diplo,hostile-wars. Only reason why AMA is not n1 is ABS double hostile us. ABS did it because can make it for free. Its show from one side ABS low moral from other how bad is when there is no more good kds for compete. Don't put blame on me for doing all what is possible to give fair and legit competition in top this age.

I have feeling you are biased in your opinion because you cant forget our hostile last age. Don't forget there is not other kd who had balls and skills to make what we did. Give us respect for well play and don't hate for it. If you want to comment do it objective.

If I were holding a grudge, I wouldn't have given you a CF at the start of the age(for nothing) and then gave you another CF(for nothing) after I dumped a bunch of our useless CFs. I would have screwed with you if I was holding a grudge.

Quite frankly, I think I'm being one of the more reasonable people in the thread. The only kds I've had more issues with as far as diplo have been Sanctuary and Simians. Admittedly that's prolly because I've never been that big of a priority in talking with, but likewise I haven't really ever needed play hardball with people because of our casual play.

I haven't done or said anything disrespectful towards MA. You guys had a great age. I've been pretty vocal that you choosing to wave Sanctuary instead of Havoc was what cost you your crown and I'll continue to back that, but that's in no way insulting. If I think someone made a mistake, I'm going to tell them they made a mistake.

failing to crown is only because they dont routinely GB their competition. If as Elit suggests that were to change they'd win every age hands down no competition. If u read below the last time abs didn't horribly dominate was age 50/51 when there was a serious anti abs push. I guess that's what it takes to compete, a bunch of kds dedicated to specifcally countering them instead of a few un-allied kds trying for land.

The one thing you're missing is that Abs doesn't play for #2. They might as well be #300 at that point. It's win or go home.
As far as them not routinely GB'ing the competition, that was exactly my point. People are saying it's rare that they DON'T do that when it's just the opposite.

[Persain]

I have told it many time: Only correct way is 1. build strong kd 2. start grow and war ABS. If you can win 1vs1 against ABS kds in ~~even terms you are good enough for compete with them. Problem is many kds choice to start small and compete with less active/organized kds. They grow middle age and how work sci system there is no way to beat kd who was bigger all age from you.

elit i've said it plenty of times too there are alot of the war kds that are on par with any abs kd in the game and choseing not to grow to doesnt mean they are competing with less active/organized kds. I know of my wars this age alone we've been less active/organized that 3 of 5 kds. One kd got screwed by into hostile hits (though i still think we'd of won) and on kd wasted 90 hits in war as learns instead of actually trying to win and the Last kd just had a bad setup to face us but is actively trying to get better(http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...-is-Recruiting). The only war were we were clearly significantly better organized/active was 122% our size pre-war and got reported on in the "Barbies vs endurance war specialists" news report, but they waved us oop and had a pretty nice size advantage. I think you'll find alot of the "war" kds are like that too for example this age FS V Stoners, Or TUWAD V CanWE...

Most of these kds

Problem is many kds choice to start small and compete with less active/organized kds. They grow middle age and how work sci system there is no way to beat kd who was bigger all age from you.

ABS have to deal with 1 max 2 kds per age from begin. After it they got control on top and its easy to keep it with 4 kds in top 5.

dont even chose to grow mid age, they just naturally do fighting each other or and random kd. If u want them to "compete" u need to change the system such that if they want to "catch" mid-late they dont have the massive science/wpa disadvantage. Dont make it so that a kd HAS to rush land whore oop or u're gonna end up with only simians, beastblood & your kd actually fighting each age before the controll the top.

About bad and good deals. Its don't depend only from your wish. You get deal what you can get. Some times you don't have choice. Good example for it is Rage this age. They was forced to gave 2 free waves and eoa nap. With sage who is supposed to be strong after midle age and they cant war his only competitor its make all kd setup pure waste.

you have a good deal with 1 kd and your what 100k acres behind #4. Make the age 3-4 weeks longer and what'd happen you V simians 6 times in a row? Geting good deals by being in a position of power or forcing a good deal with a threat of acres to the competition are both very valid strategies, nice to see the mantle taken up when theres no real way to fight back. I mean seriously a 370k acre kd in HoH is feeding off a 215k acre kd in Beastblood, give it up theres no real sportsmanship in a fight there...this is the perfect time for a no i wont fight u u want acres i give them to your competition too.

The one thing you're missing is that Abs doesn't play for #2. They might as well be #300 at that point. It's win or go home.
As far as them not routinely GB'ing the competition, that was exactly my point. People are saying it's rare that they DON'T do that when it's just the opposite.

If it was wasnt rare that they GB the competition then anytime they had 3+ of the top 5 they'd crown..compare my top 5 list to the crown list, they dont often gb unless they have a valid reason (see this age). And i disagree that they dont play for #2, why did mercy end at #4 last age 60k Below #3 when they clearly had no chance to win. If they just fought for fun they'd have slowed down and war'd my kd when we were even in acres after falling WAY behind. They had an open invitation to war whenever they wanted but instead land whored right past us as we set around waiting to see if other kds around us actually wanted war.

[goodz]

I would say that we do play for highest ranking we can get. Sure goal of course is going to be #1 but there is no shame in #2 or #5 or whatever you get. We continue to try to keep our top 3 spot but who knows if we get it :)

[Palem]

Mercy didn't need practice warring. They need practice whoring.

Also, reread what I said. I used a lot of negatives lol

[Elit]

elit i've said it plenty of times too there are alot of the war kds that are on par with any abs kd in the game and choseing not to grow to doesnt mean they are competing with less active/organized kds.

Cant agree. Having name on "good WW kd" don't have any value if you cant compete with top land kds. Compete in land chart need many different skills for success. Waring is only 1 small part from it. Most WW kds fault terrible every time when try to grow because they cant success all aspect from it.
Get wars can be hard but once you get WW none can remove if from your kd page. After reset all 25 provs you loss your honor and land but still keep WW record. Its why this is most low value chart. You cant loss what you gained. In land chart is complete different. If you cant protect land you gained all is go to hell. Its why this is most valuable and hard crown for win.

[DHaran]

elit i've said it plenty of times too there are alot of the war kds that are on par with any abs kd in the game

And you've been hilariously wrong every time you've said it.

[Realest]

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Self-handicapping is the process by which people avoid effort in the hopes of keeping potential failure from hurting self-esteem.[1] It was first theorized by Edward E. Jones and Steven Berglas,[2] according to whom self-handicaps are obstacles created, or claimed, by the individual in anticipation of failing performance.[3]

[Persain]

@palem they have practice in both plenty they just wanted to end high in the charts...see goodz comments. They want to end big and in doing so very much dominate the top and could GB any higher ranked kd come eoa.

@elit Not saying the WW chart is meaningful, i do agree there. However i disagree that being good at the WW tier means they cant "compete" up top. It takes very few skills to get big and get top 5. sure it takes more to hold but im not saying those kds are better but they arent less organized/active when it comes to what they find enjoyable...war (why grow if all u want to do is war and abs isnt that much better that particular skill). HoH however has a decent complaint for the the few kds that arent smart enough to stay smaller are finally learning a new strategy: farmout cf's. Will be curious if the "top" kds figure out how to counter it to take advantage of the lack of care for acres WW kds have.

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And you've been hilariously wrong every time you've said it.

When it comes to waring i hold that position, and you can disagree but i've fought plenty of kds on par with my kd in the past and the differnce between a list like

Top tier: no current kingdoms
Middle tier: Rage, Sanc, HoH, Pulse, Mercy
Bottom tier: Insolence, Trinity, Divinity, Simians, BiO
Unmentionables: all of the rest.

and a list of kds i rank means very little. For example insolence as pewpew has beaten Sanc..oh no his list is wrong better knock sanc down a notch...lol.
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oh and Cats has beaten pulse not just once, better add them to the list i wonder where they rank.

[Elit]

learning a new strategy: farmout cf's. Will be curious if the "top" kds figure out how to counter it to take advantage of the lack of care for acres WW kds have.

Don't know for "top" KDS but i never had this kind problem this and past ages :)
There is ways for counter just wont share with abs ;)

[DDodge]

Wow so next level. farmout cfs this Persain... What a player.

[DDodge]

^^
First post in many months I am married now guys maybe I can play next age or something

[Realest]

pretty simple. when you CF abs from now on, stipulate that if they get farmout acres, it renders your CF void.

Problem is no one has the balls or skills to bump uglies with abs. That's the issue, not the lawyerese language.

[Persain]

congrats DDodge i was wondering where u disappeared to.

[KuhaN]

Everyone's so mad and ****.

Makes me so f***ing saD.