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I wouldn't object to that.
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Yes Elit trying to use deal as an excuse to invalidate notice was a bit shady since the deal didn't support that. Sanct was below AMA's war range yes, but I think this only matters if it was AMA that had initiated that conflict. Yes Havoc had a grudge for some minor petty reasons(except for maybe the targetsharing acusation but everybody is pointing fingers in that issue, goodz claims Elit did it first, Elit said taunt was first, taunter said taunt was first, that situation aint entirely clear). And now because of last age AMA has a much more legit reason to have a grudge with Havoc. From what I remember of those conversations Elit wasn't hitting into Havoc's hostiles, they were competing for farming the same solo explorer provs, goodz felt slighted because Elit got there first, in the one doubtful case where one of those explorers hit Havoc Elit let Havoc have multiple retals on that prov before helping himself to some of the acres.
Yeah they may have wd'ed with round 2 in mind, but that doesn't matter much if BB notices Havoc, then by the same logic used last age to justify AMA 2v1 Havoc would be obviously dodging which makes 2v1 ok. Whats been posted of the deal in this thread isn't by any means crystal clear, I think the clarification posted about the reason the deal was neccessary(because of Proteus previous behaviour) makes it indicate that he meant war only and not just any hostile, that Zauper missed out on that context because he haven't been around is unfortunate but doesn't really change things, I think BB and Havoc have differing opinions to what that deal actually means and since BB would be the aggressor I would guess that their interpretation is what goes.
I wouldn't particularly have a round 2 either judging by their kd pages and things posted in here.
As I said I think BB has a different interpretation of what that deal actually says and would love to vulture Havoc for some basically free acres and AMA would love to 2v1 Havoc because of past events. I guess time will tell wether it's all just shadowplay or something serious will happen from it, personally I think Havoc deserves to get ****played but thats just my opinion..
Maybe, maybe not, Only time will tell I guess :)
The first public posting of the target share was elit. It was quite clear the events were all time stamped.
The 1 solo explorer prov was exchanging hits with us and elit could not break it army home but instead retaliated it when it hit us.
The other solo explorer prov was a KD with a few big provinces who were hitting us, it was hostile/hostile for relations. We were nsing the prov so it could be broken, it then messaged elit and they agreed upon a time for it to release so he could farm its land.
I do think the fact that sanctuary was 40% smaller or so would have some impact when comparing two kingdoms of identical size for the authenticity of the hostile.
Sanctuary did steal gold from a province with 0 tpa, but we had just had gold stolen from a province with 0tpa from their target share. AMA then initiated the conflict by starting the hits. Depending on how you define a hostile :P I also did offer to have htis between them and sanctuary evened out for 0 loss, and once that was done restart notice. Elit countered that by demanding a 1 week notice and a large number of acres from sanctuary I thought it was 30k but it may have been 20k. I told him that was obviously not going to happen and if he wanted to do further diplo or we would end up waving him at time of original notice expiring. He declined to do further diplo.
Finally AMA denied my hostile prior to sanc touching them stating that I could not notice them until they REcfed sanc.
Thats my final post on that course of events for today, if you want more information its all available in previous threads.
Last edited by goodz; 18-07-2013 at 18:56.
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Public posting as in posted on this forum yes, but if I recall correctly(and I might not) the taunt was sent the same hour and since ingame events are only timestamped by the hour they happened it's hard to prove or disprove. I'm not trying to discredit your claim, it has as much chance of being correct as the counterclaim afaik.
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Drug people post about the same things over and over, utopia is a broken game! :) If you read other forum sections i post about all kinds of other useless things.
I just have nothing better to do since im playing in a ghetto but still have a ton of free time during the work day to spam le forum.
Last edited by goodz; 18-07-2013 at 19:34.
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i dunno, but kuhan could buy a copy of that record if ppl ever would pay up dat 20bux..
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Forgive Godly, he don't have any idea about Havoc history from last age.
Last edited by Elit; 19-07-2013 at 15:14.
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This situation have happened several times in the past DonJuan and if its one thing we've learned from history: its that Anti-Abs play dirtier and powerplay more then Absalom does.
Thats why all the Anti-Absalom alliance eventually die off, and Absalom lives on. Basic utopian history.
Now I like Flogger alot, but I do remember age 7 quite well and the 200 or so avian multis that he ran to suicide my kingdom Holy Reign trying to kill us all so he would eventually get Chais province killed. So its not like Beastblood is lead by gentlemen with spotless records. Doubling Havoc would be just another notch in the belt :)
As for the conflict: Havoc cant fight BB or they lose the cow to BBs two. They will do whatever they can to dodge BB. Like everyone else would do being in the same situation. It has nothing to do with bravery or fear. Its strategy and about being smart or dumb.
Quesion is just, how will Havoc be able to dodge BB until they can get another cow on at least 16k up there? And how far will BB go to actually get to Havoc?
Not thats the interesting part :)
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