CR vs AMA

[Elit]

Meep, its very simple. Last age we had power to GB rage after farm out but we accepted Drixx propose when no one from us liked it.
This age Drixx have power to GB us and he is doing it after we told we wont raze acres how he did last age. We told we are ok to give up crown and let pyro/havoc war for n1.
All rest is bla bla bla. You wont convince me any.

[wickedfail]

-You ****played Remote repeatedly after promising not to
-You made no attempt to CF him the next age and threw up cows while he was in range
-He exacted his revenge

That's YOUR FAULT, not anbody else's. Not Pyro's. Not CR's.

Your losing the ability to win a 1v1 war against Pyro or CR was 100% undeniably your own ****ing fault. It doesn't matter how well you think you played this age or what you think you deserved this age. You tooled over one to many people, and you got bit.

Exactly. They put themselves at risk. Didn't deal with said risk. Cost them the war vs Pyro. Removed any chance of beating CR. And now are going to blame their n00b blunders on others.

Now that's lame play.

[ofgortens]

Meep, its very simple. Last age we had power to GB rage after farm out but we accepted Drixx propose when no one from us liked it.
This age Drixx have power to GB us and he is doing it after we told we wont raze acres how he did last age. We told we are ok to give up crown and let pyro/havoc war for n1.
All rest is bla bla bla. You wont convince me any.

From an outsider's perspective... I see a bit of a difference between AMA/EJ/BB working out a 'deal' with rage so they didnt have to play the game of 'who vultures Rage's land first' game for effecting the crown (even though EJ took the crown with a auto war against Infection who WD last tick before EoA to shape the charts). That vs AMA blatantly dealbreaking CR to be #1 and have the best chance to crown if they are not GBed. Rage didn't dealbreak anyone to get their land last age... they were placed in an unfortunate situation when pewpew warred for science.

Just how I see it being in none of these kds.

[faegan]

Cut logs and post is no cool. People cant understand something very simple: All this was done because Havoc pissed us off for noting just to secure what they have secured. WE was perfect fine with Havoc win age and was ready to war Pyro and give our best. All what we wanted is FAIR war. But again rest kds decide to not let us get fair chances for war/after war and put ****s. So why i need to waste my time and war after it? Sorry but this is one hell lame age all age for us. All what we did is result from how rest acted to us. Every one have his limits.

I apologize for cutting the log.

[bitchup420]

I'll break everything down for anyone who doesnt understand:

Elit is a whorish dbag who demands people play the game how he wants it to be played when his kd has power over everyone else. He sets standards for future ages and demands everyone else adhere to them. When it comes time to pay the piper and all of Elit's established rules come to bare on him he cries Hell Lame and unfair and gets GBed and laughed at by everyone. Then Don Scroteus steps in and says I am the greatest, the game is dead you are all silly and will never be as great as me.

I guess the moral of this story is...well...this is Utopia...The standard of "Morals" Comes at the tip of the mightiest's sword. So its all pretty relative. Live by the Golden Rule: ****play others the way you yourself would want to be ****played and ye shall have it.

<3
Have a nice day :D

[TheOne]

What you want to prove with this logs? After all ****s started again we loss all chances for get FAIR war with pyro. Why i need to waste mt time and war and if win need to waste more time agains much bigger disadvantage. I wanted FAIR war and its was loss. There is other cut with logs. enjoy them.

[07:37] <cJ> i think if ama-pyro war, at first ama has advantage. now pyro got a little advantage. i dont know if winner got any chance vs havoc
[07:37] <cJ> unless we make deal, loser of war must 'farm' out
[07:38] <cJ> you sure you dont want to consider both of us warring, and wwe cannot b2b and winner must fight havoc? if you think there's 0 chance for ama to win havoc (if ama-pyro fight normal. no farming out), then hmmm
[07:38] <Elit> we can make deal but its wont be so legit
[07:39] <Elit> and still its going to do alot dmg both kds
[07:39] <cJ> i dont know. one part of me says i should be happy if elit wants to LD acres to pyro and give pyro more chance to win havoc. the other part of me says i want to war ama fair and square. and try to win.
[07:39] <Elit> and i need to waste my time for war few days
[07:39] <Elit> its wont be fair war now for us
[07:39] <cJ> thing is, if we war. and let's say if it's clear 1 side win, maybe i can talk to nesta the other kingdom must 'farm' out

My offer for gave land for cf in hostile is much more legit.

I dont want to dig up my logs with you and post here because all these logs can be misinterpreted if only a small chuck is extracted from a whole conversation, + it's not respectful to the other person.

#1 : If you can see from this small extract, I repeatedly said that I preferred to war than taking acres for cf. Maybe it isnt that clear here. But in our subsequent conversations, I am pretty sure I told you very clearly I preferred to war AMA 1v1 and then winner cannot run away from CR and we cannot b2b. You insisted that this is sure way for CR to crown and you dont want that.. while my kingdom was prepared for whatever small chance we had after we win AMA.

#2 : You also mentioned that I could either take the acres for cf, or you will just intra raze and leave pyro hanging there.. because if that happened, we will have negative (not even zero) chances of winning CR. What am i supposed to do? Maybe Nesta+Me made a mistake and didnt consult other prominent leaders outside Pyros on this, but then again, wont seem nice if we were to leak your proposed plans

#3 : All of us have our own negativity some point or another. Of course it struck me about this 'farm out' stuff. But come on, all of us have weird and 'wrong' ideas 1 point or another and would definitely 'brainstorm' or 'speak it out'. Like I said above, extracting a small part of a conversation isnt very useful. I am very sure I repeatedly said Pyro preferred to AMA and then most to most lose to CR after that. I said these alot of times.

-cJ

[RawStuff]

You hit into someone's conflicts repeatedly after promising not to, then throw up your cows without even CFing this person the next age, and somehow you're the victim yet again?

You are literally delusional:
"A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary."

-You ****played Remote repeatedly after promising not to
-You made no attempt to CF him the next age and threw up cows while he was in range
-He exacted his revenge


That's YOUR FAULT, not anbody else's. Not Pyro's. Not CR's.

Your losing the ability to win a 1v1 war against Pyro or CR was 100% undeniably your own ****ing fault. It doesn't matter how well you think you played this age or what you think you deserved this age. You tooled over one to many people, and you got bit.

Stop trying to play with words and act like the victim when you screwed yourself over and then decided to be a spoiled little child and ruin the age for everyone else.

+10
close the thread of change subject... its pathetic the qq going around. Cant believe thats actually the "top kds". This mentality of Im not wrong, you sux cause i have more crown then u, 10 years ago i was hot and young... YAWN

[RawStuff]

Meep, its very simple. Last age we had power to GB rage after farm out but we accepted Drixx propose when no one from us liked it.
This age Drixx have power to GB us and he is doing it after we told we wont raze acres how he did last age. We told we are ok to give up crown and let pyro/havoc war for n1.
All rest is bla bla bla. You wont convince me any.

What would you ahve done if Drixx kd would have been 20% bigger then you (at the moment the biggest kd), fully pump, with a possibility to grow even bigger, 3 weeks before eoa. You would have done the same deal you did? No way. It's a different situation, don't compare apples with oranges.
Also what would you have done if drixx council said ok we wont grow anymore, but then you heard that drixx was saying the opposite? cause thats what your kd did... Proteus swear on his life that he would raze. then you said you would keep acres and go for crown since you got robbed in an other life... Im sure you wouldnt have done anything to Drixx kd.... yaaaa right

You didnt CF Remote kd after ****ting on them, thats your fault. You deal broke, thats your fault. You got pushed into a corner because of CFs, thats your fault. You werent big enough to play the game of bully at the top because you took an age off, because you didnt have allies, thats your fault. It makes no sens to bring **** from 4-5 ages ago... you should settle things the same age or next age, not keep it for 20 ages in your back pocket...

[Crazy Pete]

So I'm just curious:

SO you have decided the GB is appropriate I don't disagree. Now the punishment, what is the exact punishment? 1k hits, 2k hits, 4 PK's, 10 PK's, whole KD razed EOA?

Just curious because to me this is a precedent setting event and in future ages if there is an ounce of truth to what you peeps stand for the same standard will be applied to every kingdom regardless of who they are.

For example I just formatted our paper about an hour ago, there are 12 kingdoms with hit's into our war the hits are climbing to the 1k mark.

SO by that reasoning we can assume the same will be done to future kingdoms. Now let's chat about an appropriate punishment. The other stuff is getting old. Laws are set by precedent setting cases and I think we can all agree the measures taken against AMA are exactly that.

So how's about an official spokesperson from "Fair Play" post a serious non trash talking post right here about what can be expected in future ages. That means Anri, your out or any other non bias person.

I would like to hear CJ's thoughts on this he seems to be the most level headed, or Zauper. One of them fellows.

What is the required punishment for deal breaking/ 2 vs 1 (same in my books) for future ages?

Cj you just posted I know your here, don't be shy. Have some fortitude an say what the standards are, if you don't know and you're just winging it I suggest you come up with one. Or for me this is just a lynch mob that has no real concern for the game

[wickedfail]

AMA is obviously still in shape to cause issues the rest of the age. Witnessing how Elit has been talking on the forums, I have no doubt in my mind that he will be partaking in some shenanigans. So I feel AMA's punishment is not over yet, not until those involved feel they are safe this round from the unstable AMA.

[Nick_mi]

I believe zauper has made at least 5 level headed thoughts on the situation so far. People just seem to ignore it because **** logic in this thread lol

[Elit]

AMA is obviously still in shape to cause issues the rest of the age. Witnessing how Elit has been talking on the forums, I have no doubt in my mind that he will be partaking in some shenanigans. So I feel AMA's punishment is not over yet, not until those involved feel they are safe this round from the unstable AMA.

I believe feel safe this round wont make you feel safe next :P
You will live in fear rest from your life now :D

I believe zauper has made at least 5 level headed thoughts on the situation so far. People just seem to ignore it because **** logic in this thread lol

Next time n00bs in kd better to not interfere when Zauper make his diplo. If he have extend his cf with us how he planed and promised us there wont be all this drama.

[Meep]

I believe feel safe this round wont make you feel safe next :P
You will live in fear rest from your life now :D



Next time n00bs in kd better to not interfere when Zauper make his diplo. If he have extend his cf with us how he planed and promised us there wont be all this drama.

They did offer to extend CF.

You just knew that because of your own screw-up last age with Remote, you couldn't even beat Pyro 1v1, much less Havoc 8 days later.

Stop trying to pawn off responsibility for your actions.

[Crazy Pete]

Are you the official rep from "Fair Play" Nick_mi? From your comments, and I don't want to put words in the mouths of "Fair Play" and don't know of you level of authority for the organization. But to me the standard seems your leaning towards the just punishment for a 2vs 1 or deal break is EOA razes?

I think this needs clarification because if it's a case by case scenario who is the judge? So to me avoiding political Utopian interests the punishment should be the same and not by a case by case scenario. I bring this up because for me the ghetto's represent 90% of the game. Should every kingdom in Utopia have one representative to have one vote on these instances? Or is the group deciding these matters are a closed group of "top kingdoms" with limited lower tier kingdoms like rusty also involved?

I do want the game to be better myself, but for me right now I just see self interest in the situation not a wanting to make the game "fair".

So I ask once again for a representative capable of speaking to these matters. I've heard enough of the trash talking (lynch mob) mentality, you want to fix the game well let's fix it. For me unless the ghetto's have a voice this is pointless.

[wickedfail]

Have you noticed the 25k acres advantage of Pyro? Have you checked CR's gains recently compared to Pyro's? I doubt so.

1 Pyro Believes In Fair Play (XX:XX) ISLAND 183,416 acres
CR : Total Land 182,375 acres (avg: 7,295 acres)

And my bet is that CR has more pool than CR to make up that 1k difference.

You doubted wrong...