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[Godly]

Steals 3.6 mil, cries about 25k. This kid is seriously beyond hope. *shakes head*

[flogger]

Havoc players sure like to talk up how amazing the strategy is of clicking to train free specialist credits in a certain non-ideal ratio that only works if you want to suicide yourself 3 hours into the game, i.e. make defense and thieves.

Not everyone is looking at every 25 person kingdom on the server then using an ex-kingdommate to message them all.

[Dark Knight]

Steals 3.6 mil, cries about 25k. This kid is seriously beyond hope. *shakes head*

Your full of it.

I'm sure if some one checked your news they would see aid sent out from those 2 reset proves.

Yea right, but they only sent out "25k" *wink*

[v3nusxgodz]

Your full of it.

I'm sure if some one checked your news they would see aid sent out from those 2 reset proves.

Yea right, but they only sent out "25k" *wink*

Can't send out because they are banned while you rob

[tetley]

Your full of it.

I'm sure if some one checked your news they would see aid sent out from those 2 reset proves.

Yea right, but they only sent out "25k" *wink*

Not sure what you're trying to say here bud. If they send aid, they can't reset for 24 hours ...

[American Badass]

Bishop approved of anything we did since entering war. Protection is bugged this age and the 2 provs left prot 1 tick early so you guys robbed basically all the gc(our main t/m's was drinking tea.....he's old) We robbed about 25k gc from those 2 provs. However, we robbed/FG'd about 1.2 million of the 3.6 million you robbed.

Is he also British?

[Zauper]

As far as I'm (or PyroManiaCs is) concerned, if Bishop deemed it was unfair advantage, that unfair advantage was already present for 24 hours and it made all the difference. First from them having that level of military to wave us 7 hours OOP, 2nd from us having to wave down 3 near UB provinces (who would be UB given another 12h of train time had we not chosen to take them down in the first wave) who received the unfair aid in the first wave in war, 3rd from your counter-wave, and 4th, still having the troops right till they were released by Bishop towards the tail-end of our 2nd unique in war. What the release did was to make their first chained 3 provinces in the first unique more susceptible to multi taps in our 2nd unique, and made it easier for us to hit down 1 more province; the one last halfling WH had already retrained much more to break free from our core so that he was already marginal UB (UB to most in our KD except a few) and really OOR of any profitable taps and we couldnt waste hits OOR bringing him down with the war being tight at that point. Then again, like I said, this happened at our tail-end of our 2nd unique, where 75% of our KD has already sent out troops against your provinces pre-Bishopped (can I verb this? lol). So keep thinking it's 17 v 25 war if that's what rocks your boat (exaggeration #2?).

First of all, Nesta, 5-6 hitters into your 2nd wave is not the tail-end of your 2nd unique. At least one prov who had already hit got a chance to farm them, as well. If you take a look at our paper, you'll notice it occurs at the end of the 2nd, after aid is sent to our S. If you look at the data, there's an 72k NW drop between the 2nd and the third, but you've already seen NW drop from your ~7 attacks on the 2nd.
Secondly, you'll notice that we were not actioned for sending aid. Them having more troops than you was not the 'abuse'. The 'abuse' was resetting the two land-def provs, so the actioning occured at roughly the right time for you.
Third, our entire kingdom came oop with the same target defense aside from a few provinces who screwed up training. Other than def spells giving the fae a little more def, you had about the same amount to get rid of regardless of OOP aid.

And (3), regarding the number of troops released, who's lying here then? CR members are saying Bishop released much more than what Bishop said he did. We on the other hand, didn't really care, and we didn't track. All we knew was that we were curious as to the fairness of their strategy, we sent in an email, and based on the numbers on CR's provinces and Support's reply to CJ's email, we knew Bishop took action. And we just went on with the war with no QQ. Is Bishop a more likely liar than CR members, or is it more likely the other way round? I leave that to all to judge for themselves. (exaggeration #3? or lie #1 from Bishop?)

80k NW is more than 11.5k troops (the amount of soldiers aided; less gc than enough to train them was aided), and Bishop didn't release the military in the order he described (for example, if you look at your sots on my province, you'll notice it has defspecs but no elites. In the order he mentioned, I should have no defspecs but 110 elites). Military was released off of 12 different provinces, not 5 as you mentioned -- every province that received aid. (Bishop confirmed this, btw). But here's an example -- you remember chaining our S? He had half our soldier pool (~1.5k soldiers), and had all of those soldiers, plus most of his defspecs released. He had received 800 sols in aid.

It is what it is. People claiming 20k are obviously wrong (they're doing the basic math of 80k/4=20k, but Bishop also released a number of elites and soldiers so it doesn't quite work and the NW was 72k not 80k).

Zauper, I cannot at any instance recall for once that we said we were going to farm out to Pewpew. Did you hear it from me? I know CJ was trolling you guys very very close to EOA where it was impossible for you to lose the crown by then (like just hours before EOA). Pew had no war heroes and hitting us wouldnt get the land in on time before EOA.

Or what we heard was CJ saying he was going to give them acres ~48h before the end of the age, when there was plenty of time for you to farm out to them. Combined with your kingdom training early for no particular reason.

You're right; it's not your job to reassure us or anything. It's also not our job to be nice to you if/when you decide you want to be dicks.

Lastly, I leave all interested readers some food for thought. CR resetted 2 provinces again in war, after being robbed/NSed/chained by us down to 200 acres, before war ended. Now they sit at >600 acres. So they reset for more resources again in war (for more land, more gold, more soldiers?) after explicitly being told resetting in war for more resources was what forced Bishop's hand in actioning them? War is still ongoing right? How can you reset before war is over?

We checked with Bishop and had explicit permission to rob/FG them and reset when they came out of suspension. We had permission long prior to them actually coming OOP. Of course, they also came OOP an hour before Bishop told us they would.

and dark knight: 20 pages of thread you started, and you still don't realize you can't reset after sending aid because it counts as a hostile action? Impressive. You wouldn't see any aid sent from the two of them, because they wouldn't have been able to reset.

[Bishop]

But here's an example -- you remember chaining our S? He had half our soldier pool (~1.5k soldiers), and had all of those soldiers, plus most of his defspecs released. He had received 800 sols in aid.

Wut, no he did not have all those troops released, he had 1.3k released. He also received 156333 gc and 848 soldiers.

[protector]

Good thing they say you and elit have been in their council channel for weeks then?

DK -- you're right that it didn't matter there. The ends don't always get to justify the means, though. I will say, that CJ says it's something he didn't agree with, which I like.

I'm sure a flogger that's online for an entire hour in 3 weeks is much use ;)

[Zauper]

[15:59] <> March 2 of YR0 We have received a shipment of 1,024 soldiers from The sailors were happy (zz it's CR). Trade deficit taxes cost us 5% of the shipment.
[15:59] <> 5 seconds later, I have 0 soldiers
[15:59] <&munkbot> Sols:26 OS:3.3k DS:1.5k Elites:878 WH:2.4k
[16:08] <&munkbot> Sols:0 OS:3.3k DS:316 Elites:878 WH:2.5k

e: it does seem i was off about the size of the solpool, though.

[faegan]

Wut, no he did not have all those troops released, he had 1.3k released. He also received 156333 gc and 848 soldiers.

Good to know at least someone has his facts straight.

Edit: oops...seems Bishop mixed up numbers? And post more locations plz Zauper!

[Bishop]

Good to know at least someone has his facts straight.

Edit: oops...seems Bishop mixed up numbers? And post more locations plz Zauper!

unless there is another steward who received roughly 800 soldiers i think i am pretty accurate.

[Zauper]

unless there is another steward who received roughly 800 soldiers i think i am pretty accurate.

Then where did the 1000 soldiers go as well? Per the logs and sots I posted above, he lost 1k sols and ~1.2k defspecs. If those disappearing was a bug, can we get them back?

Should we report it as a bug?

[TheOne]

Hi Zauper,

You did not drop 80k nw from troops released. the 80k nw dropped includes our attacks too. When the action was meted out, I personally refreshed all the top provinces of yours, and noticed 3 provinces dropping about 4-5k nw. Only after a while later (as it was in the middle of our wave and we were busy directing hits upwards) then we realized your chained had some stuff released too. That is why it effectively didnt do that much damage to you guys during the 2nd wave. And most of the troops released were on provinces that were chained already. I believe what Bishop estimates/numbers/said is true (because we didnt take note of new numbers). He mentioned about ~11-12k earlier, and it seems about right. I may be wrong on this.

*EDIT: Seems like it's right based on munk's numbers* and hence all the earlier numbers given in the thread are over-stated.

If you cannot agree with me that 1k troops trained at OOP (warheroes training speed, and assume 9 provinces x 1k soldiers each, and it's about 20% more military for those 9 provinces, and those would have been trained before any possible first retals) with +3mil tb worth of aid helps in giving a decisive advantage (at oop where everyone starts equal, no such thing as micro), then I have nothing to say. We wont blame our loss on that initial advantage.

But we will not apologize for asking bishop if it's legit. It is up to him to decide whether it is against the spirit of the game or not. I do not appreciate how Pyro bore the brunt of your members butthurtness (especially myself) when 1) it isnt only me that reported it, but I dare to say I did it, 2) it is up to the admins to decide if it's against the spirit of the game. We should respect the decisions of the admins. I have apologized before for my mistakes, but I am not sure if you guys would ever do that.

We fought this war knowing that chances of winning aint high, but we also know we would gain acres in a min-time war as we had more attackers ( in this case ~84hrs and we took back 1.8k acress), and it would slow you guys down. You hurt us, we hurt you back. Definitely, Pyros also suffered from the war.

Regarding the issue of Pyro 'going' to give Pew Pew acres, you got trolled by someone else not from Pyros. And within minutes of that trolling, a leader of AMA and myself got PM-ed by your guys expressing some disgust/hate/anger. I am pretty sure most of your kingdom knew I (& the AMA leader) was trolling, except the guy who was talking to me. I have logs showing that you guys knew it was all trolling and was poking fun at the CR guy I was talking to.
I dont understand why you would need to bring this issue up as it does not serve any purpose. Is it meant to ruin our reputation for something we didnt do? Also, didnt you guys determined last age that words do not mean anything unless action is taken.

Once again, congrats on your war win. You guys played well and deserved it. Till we meet again.

-cJ

Edit: I would love to hear a response from Zauper regarding the points I listed above.

[Godly]

Your full of it.

I'm sure if some one checked your news they would see aid sent out from those 2 reset proves.

Yea right, but they only sent out "25k" *wink*

LOL you got busted, son. They reset immediately after taking their provs 1hr later. Any aid sent would make them have to wait another 24 hrs. Therefore, there was NO AID SENT. GTFO. Apologies! Now!