Proposal to end he Awar

[Anri]

Leshrak, I dont think you get the relevance of this whole issue. Simian/Anri's rage is with your statement that you deliberately made them train up because you're on the belief that if you're trying to fight someone while being larger, you should be prepared that the other KD would dodge you and yourself having trained up for nothing and lose your kd stocks.

My newfound rage is with your purposeful stalling, which I think now I'm entitled to conclude based on what ASF and Judge has posted?

You nor ASF have yet to clarify my query; were you busy at work and RL, and not utopia-ing at that period, and hence did not reply my IRC messages or in-game mails, or was it like ASF said, that you knew the decision was passed across council that you wouldnt extend, and you chose not to even give me the basic courtesy and respect of PMing "hey sorry but our council decided we're not extending"
You went MIA and waited till you stocked 1.5k gcpa average per cow (and I believe core too), drafted your cows 40k soldiers ahead of us, then delivered the notice.

Now had I been in a position where I preferred to fight someone else my size and I know Simians might be eyeing me as a fight, I would have talked to them and told them not to draft up because we're not fighting them. That's the main difference here handling this issue between you and me, and that's what is central to Anri's rage.

And I'm not just talking cheap here; I back it up in game. Simians wanted to fight me Year 7, and I told them to back off because I had plans to hostile divinity. And they did. I was upfront and straightforward to them, and I told them as clearly and as thoroughly as I could, every possible scenario post-Divinity hostile, win, lose or draw, on how we could resolve our CF after. And all that was left was for me to honour my words like a man, which I did. I could have delayed and ****played Simians by claiming I was still in the extended hostile with Divinity and they shouldnt get to take my land, but I did not do that.

This is correct. I approve of this post, not that i have to approve but because its the truth and Nesta is point on why we felt a rage over it. It ruined 1 weeks pump for us towards pewpew fight. Having to draft/rebuild/train just to waste all stock to go back and pump again towards pewpew fight, a fight we won despite of this huge fallback for us that Emeriti was responsible for.

Ofc it makes you wonder further if you also talked to pewpew. You probably did because it seems you miss them now.

We have the fullest right to feel rage about what happend.

The past does matter.

[flogger]

O ****, ironballs is reading, who ya got???!

[Ironballs]

Abs never had any login site made by cerb. I have heard playboys did have a login site but none of the rest of Abs used it and it was kept secret from Abs. Playboys were eventually asked to leave Absalom.

When Chai was back in wrath one age while I played there there was a handful of times (at most) that a log in site was used. I presume that must have been the playboys one as it came from DJ who was also in Wrath for a short time around then.

In general the idea that Playboys would share anything with anyone or do anything for anyone else is laughable though.

[Ironballs]

O ****, ironballs is reading, who ya got???!

I may be bored enough to be checking out the forums but if you think I'm wading through 40+ pages and multiple threads to figure out what is actually going on then you have another thing coming :P

[flogger]

I may be bored enough to be checking out the forums but if you think I'm wading through 40+ pages and multiple threads to figure out what is actually going on then you have another thing coming :P

Can just read aquaseafoam's posts and ignore the others, since that's the only place you can find the "facts"

[Ironballs]

Can just read aquaseafoam's posts and ignore the others, since that's the only place you can find the "facts"

The difference in quantity looks to be marginal at best. I am half tempted to make an account just so I can see what is going on in game though.

[protector]

Now lets take example of Alice, Emeriti & BB! Alice wanted to dodge Emeriti after we noticed them. So they Re-Constructed their deal with BB to 1 hour before our notice deal expired. BB knew about this(flogger and Protector both admitted this) still neither did they inform us about this nor did we cry out this loud as you are doing. Even we were forced to train up from 30% draft under this impression that we will be getting the war. I guess leshrak did talk with you about this.. But that time you simply said yea thats a douche move and went off.

I asked if the war agreement would cause issues and he wrote me his CFs and said it wasnt.
I edited out the locs to prevent Palem going all nazi on me ;(
I think the 3 others from top to bottom were Shinra, ?? and Pewpew
The 2 at the bottom I think Jerks and Blizz/Chandlers KD (too lazy to check those ages charts)

[20:06] <protector> forgot to ask earlier, do your current cfs allow ya to explore/grow up freely without being waved?
[20:10] <prodigiousvk> (##:##) CF till extended to June Yr6 with 48 hrs notice
[20:10] <prodigiousvk> (##:##) extended CF till Feb Yr6
[20:10] <prodigiousvk> (##:##) CF till eoa now
[20:11] <prodigiousvk> (SLE:EPY CF till yr6 with 48 hrs notice
[20:11] <prodigiousvk> CF (PY:RO) 72 hrs notice either way
[20:12] <prodigiousvk> (EME:RITI) CF 1 Jan Yr6 with 48 hrs notice
[20:13] <prodigiousvk> current threats are only (##:##) and (##:##)
[20:13] <prodigiousvk> and they not respondinding to my request for short-term cf :)
[20:13] <protector> dont need to tell me all your cf terms, was just curious if you're fine to explore up ;p

The rest you know as flogger said.

[SnirpsneR]

When Chai was back in wrath one age while I played there there was a handful of times (at most) that a log in site was used. I presume that must have been the playboys one as it came from DJ who was also in Wrath for a short time around then.

In general the idea that Playboys would share anything with anyone or do anything for anyone else is laughable though.

It wasn't the pbs site they used. DJ had own login at Munk.

Also, the Genesis kd w00t, consist of many abs court and council, was on Munk. Kinda funny none of them needed any explanation how it worked.

[Leshrak]

You nor ASF have yet to clarify my query; were you busy at work and RL, and not utopia-ing at that period, and hence did not reply my IRC messages or in-game mails, or was it like ASF said, that you knew the decision was passed across council that you wouldnt extend, and you chose not to even give me the basic courtesy and respect of PMing "hey sorry but our council decided we're not extending"

I was barely logging on to make sure that my prov didn't starve at that point. I wasn't intentionally stalling, I wasn't participating much in leadership discussions, and I wasn't going onto IRC. I told my KD that I was unable to dedicate the time then to doing the monarchy things that needed to be done, but I didn't want to just up and abandon my prov in the middle of an age, and I needed others to step in. This game isn't worth losing a job/house/wife over. The discussions ASF referred to happened in my absence, and were not intentionally delayed in being transmitted to you; hence my apology to you in the logs.

Given that our whole CF discussion to that point was predicated on one or both of us dodging simians, when someone finally SMSed me to say they were going to give you notice and wanted to make sure we hadn't agreed to a deal, I didn't think giving you notice 26h earlier than you were asking for (yr5) would have really been a big issue for you.

Now had I been in a position where I preferred to fight someone else my size and I know Simians might be eyeing me as a fight, I would have talked to them and told them not to draft up because we're not fighting them. That's the main difference here handling this issue between you and me, and that's what is central to Anri's rage.

I confirmed our timeline with Mithras, who was the main person handling discussions around this time. Nobody made simians draft up, and in fact they had plenty of time and advance warning (a week) that we were not going to fight them at our cf expiration. We were just over half their size and fighting them at that point would have been a complete farm-out; had it gone to war, it would have been much worse than the 30k acres that we took from Chrystal or the 50k BB took from Divinity later in the age. We asked Simians for a CF extension a week in advance because of that size difference. At that time, Mithras told Anri if he wouldn't agree to CF us, we'd have to find a way to dodge the fight.

As Anri posted, he didn't think we were able to, so our request was totally denied. We gave 72h notice to Pyro (a KD 95% of our size) 26 hours before our simians duration CF was up (1 day+ before simians could even give us notice). Within 1 hour, Mithras got messages from Anri asking about whether we'd given notice to Pyro or the other way around. To claim that Simians lost "a week" of pump time and/or drafted up early is just ridiculous - at that point, they were at minimum 78h out, so they either had only JUST started drafting or hadn't even started at all when they found out that we'd given the notice.

[Squee311]

It wasn't the pbs site they used. DJ had own login at Munk.

Also, the Genesis kd w00t, consist of many abs court and council, was on Munk. Kinda funny none of them needed any explanation how it worked.

Good old D jack and Chai been to long since I heard from those 2. Fun times in w00t

[Anri]

I was barely logging on to make sure that my prov didn't starve at that point. I wasn't intentionally stalling, I wasn't participating much in leadership discussions, and I wasn't going onto IRC. I told my KD that I was unable to dedicate the time then to doing the monarchy things that needed to be done, but I didn't want to just up and abandon my prov in the middle of an age, and I needed others to step in. This game isn't worth losing a job/house/wife over. The discussions ASF referred to happened in my absence, and were not intentionally delayed in being transmitted to you; hence my apology to you in the logs.

Given that our whole CF discussion to that point was predicated on one or both of us dodging simians, when someone finally SMSed me to say they were going to give you notice and wanted to make sure we hadn't agreed to a deal, I didn't think giving you notice 26h earlier than you were asking for (yr5) would have really been a big issue for you.



I confirmed our timeline with Mithras, who was the main person handling discussions around this time. Nobody made simians draft up, and in fact they had plenty of time and advance warning (a week) that we were not going to fight them at our cf expiration. We were just over half their size and fighting them at that point would have been a complete farm-out; had it gone to war, it would have been much worse than the 30k acres that we took from Chrystal or the 50k BB took from Divinity later in the age. We asked Simians for a CF extension a week in advance because of that size difference. At that time, Mithras told Anri if he wouldn't agree to CF us, we'd have to find a way to dodge the fight.

As Anri posted, he didn't think we were able to, so our request was totally denied. We gave 72h notice to Pyro (a KD 95% of our size) 26 hours before our simians duration CF was up (1 day+ before simians could even give us notice). Within 1 hour, Mithras got messages from Anri asking about whether we'd given notice to Pyro or the other way around. To claim that Simians lost "a week" of pump time and/or drafted up early is just ridiculous - at that point, they were at minimum 78h out, so they either had only JUST started drafting or hadn't even started at all when they found out that we'd given the notice.

You dont seem to get it.

We drafted/trained/converted because there was no way for you to dodge us. We knew what CF you made to Pyro and that your notice to them could not be a legit one. That you then changed the deal to suit your needs to dodge us and **** Pyro a bit in the process is the issue here. Its not like we would come untrained for it and risk getting ****ed by you guys. You should not change your deals to dodge people. You also dont seem to understand when i tell you that you made 25 people angry over it and some day it might come back to bite you in the ass. Because the people you treated bad, they might still be out there and would gladly hit you the moment they are given as good reasons for it as this age. Had you played last age more fair i think less people had hit you. Thats a fact.

EDIT: I do consider time lost adding up to minimum a week due to converting back and forth and going back into pump mode again for pew fight. Its not all done in 78h, far from it. You can also dont compare your CP war where you gained 30k land for free to win the age to us almost waving you. Thats just terrible. If you think you had lost 30k by us waving you then there is no point talking, its better watch paint dry.

Great way of having anti-abs people end hits on you. Like i said, ASF said you did not treat us very good. You just cant.
ASF should quit protecting the likes of you in Emeriti.

[Ironballs]

It wasn't the pbs site they used. DJ had own login at Munk.

Also, the Genesis kd w00t, consist of many abs court and council, was on Munk. Kinda funny none of them needed any explanation how it worked.

Well I did say the idea of Playboys sharing anything was laughable so I was part right :)

[AMP]

It wasn't the pbs site they used. DJ had own login at Munk.

Also, the Genesis kd w00t, consist of many abs court and council, was on Munk. Kinda funny none of them needed any explanation how it worked.

PBs was likely the most clean kd of ABS.

The membership was indeed brief when compared with the vast and rich history the kd had throughout the ages.



To ABS team, stop making excuses about this stuff cause its ridiculous and its becoming annoying.

You forget some of us played there?

[Mithras]

We drafted/trained/converted because there was no way for you to dodge us. We knew what CF you made to Pyro and that your notice to them could not be a legit one. That you then changed the deal to suit your needs to dodge us and **** Pyro a bit in the process is the issue here. Its not like we would come untrained for it and risk getting ****ed by you guys. You should not change your deals to dodge people. You also dont seem to understand when i tell you that you made 25 people angry over it and some day it might come back to bite you in the ass. Because the people you treated bad, they might still be out there and would gladly hit you the moment they are given as good reasons for it as this age. Had you played last age more fair i think less people had hit you. Thats a fact.

This is a complete fabrication. Our deal with Pyro was a plain 72h notice, a fact confirmed and respected by pyro.

There were long proceeded talks about putting a date on that cf but contrary to Simians belief there was never an agreement on what date the new cf should expire nor was the cf formaly agreed upon. I rarely post here but the fact that Anri was informed of the actual circumstances long ago and still continues to spread these lies is bordering on offensive.

[Sheister]

You know, another way to view this is in this light:

Negotians, they argue, did not close, so it was OK to notice and hit in during negotiations. In that sense Emeriti is completely consistent with what happened to BB this age. So, the lesson is that when negotiating with emeriti, you should be hitting them WHILE you negotiate and just keep hitting until they agree that things are closed and you can go afk for weeks while this is happening and its all cool. So they can sit there going "we surrender!" and you are just afk and that is good faith and fair dealing. You need to remember that in emeriti land, there is no deal until the proverbial IRC spit in the palm and shake on it. Also remember that they do not send people who have authority to make a binding deal since everything needs to be approved....

yupp....