This is not true. You didn't HAVE to ask Emeriti for a YR4 CF at all. You COULD have instead just taken the 350 acres and extra free land bour offered you from the very start when he first razed. This was offered before you even turned on draft and if you just acted reasonable, you'd have got some extra free cow land with no damages other than having to give Bour a cf. You CHOSE not to take the free land Bour was offering because you CHOSE to instead demand he give you the button and give you a farm war. He said he'd give you free land, free gc, and even a fake hostile so you could prepare your fat asses longer for Emeriti, but he would not farm war you. You refused all his offers and then started demanding he give you 3x the land razed PLUS his whole kingdom raze down and agree to not grow above BB set size caps all age.Originally Posted by protector
This was already a major overreaction by you to a guy offering you free land for a cf (just because he had to raze first to get you to even respond to his cf requests.)
It was you who kept rejecting all normal reasonable offers to give you free cow land for a cf. Instead you insisted on either a farm war for BB or their whole kingdom including their province in #1 and a few others in the top 15 all razing themselves down and then following BB set size caps all the rest of the age right from YR0 in addition to ~3x the amount of free acres that BB lost. When you are completely unreasonable and won't accept any of the reasonable offers he made form the start to give you free cow land, free gc, etc, then you force him into defending himself since you will not agree to any reasonable deals.
Forcing them to give you a button for a farm war or raze their whole kd down and follow size caps are simply not reasonable requests for what happened. You CHOSE to be completely unreasonable and reject all reasonable offers and now you're mad that in the end you got slightly less than what you rejected but you did get your "Punishments" on Bour with your ridiculous size caps and still got ~3x the land back you lost.
Razing for 350 acres and offering extra cow land back immediately would not have a major effect on preparation. Even losing 350 acres without getting any back would only be a minor negative on your preparations. Emeriti has taken hits into notice periods frequently including both large plunders and also large trad marches. I would not be surprised if Emeriti took hits at the same time as Bour hit you. Yes it's annoying but when the hitter was asking for a cf first (having messages read and not responded to even if for only 4 hours) and then offering all land plus extra cow land back for a cf at the time of razing, then you just plain overreacted and it's your overreaction that created the problems, not the 350 acres lost and offered back with interest.
No one refused any reasonable "punishments" Bour offered you the razed land plus more back from the start. This would have put all razed acres plus extra onto himself as his own losses and left BB with only gained cow land. In the end he lost all his top provinces and agreed to your size caps and gave you back ~3x what you lost.
Emeriti offered BB their own land too along with whatever adjusted cf terms BB wanted and whatever other terms BB required to ensure their position was fully restored. Emeriti losing their own land, resources, and taking a bad adjusted cf deal would have definitely "punished" Emeriti. The only punishments that were rejected was you demanding Emeriti (who had been #1 basically all age) intra raze down and drop out of competition in YR1 so that BB could go for the crown with no other real competition. This is simply absurd and completely unprecedented for such a minor incident.
Will we also have BB and friends making a video of you each writing 1000 times "Deal breaking and waving kingdom's in war is poor sportsmanship, it is unethical and it is unacceptable behavior just like trying to demand the kingdom above us on the rankings and our only competition raze themselves down YR1 and agree not to compete under implied threats of gb is poor sportsmanship."
If we want to talk about ethics, your lying and deal breaking are by the worst ethical violations as they are considered wrong both inside and outside utopia. Things like waving into active wars or advising a weaker kingdom to cf you under threats of razing if you won't are game constructs and considered wrong in the context of utopia but do not apply outside the game despite Sheister's attempts at legal wrangling for PR purposes.
