Proposal to end he Awar

[Palem]

@Palem
We are not farming honor, we gained honor cause first Outsiders refused to wd in order to stall us which lead to prolonged farm situation (we also picked land bonus over our typical choice of honor to prep for more conflicts), and now Emeriti are doing almost nothing ... they lost and cant be arsed anymore to give even a resemblance of trying.
For our part we are not taking free land and honor, we war just like we would if they did their best, we are taking down faeries and landdroped banks atm, there is no maxgaining, honor whoring, mas learns and whatnot to profit from situation.

One important thing to note. "We war like we would if they did their best" means you're honor whoring.

But yea, just saying that you haven't gotten a **** ton of free land and a **** ton of free honor doesn't mean you actually haven't gotten a **** ton of free land and honor.

[citadela01]

Nothing we got was free, we pryed it off thier cold dead hands and paid for it with LOT of reset provinces.

And there is a big difference between honor whoring and going for dmg, I just flushed all my stealth ns'ing guy with 4.5 rtpa, 100% crime science and 15% wts ... if I was whoring I'd be raping their reset mercs and not waste my ops on that guy. If we were whoring we would not be macing thier faes, we would trad them down. We would not be tackling sages with insane ratios and 150k def hiting with our uds against rnw, we would be 5x taping merchants with 30k def.

We did not join when this was all over to vulture remains, we joined early and took bulk of dmg from their side together with Pyro. I resent implication we hiding behind anything and leeching honor and land.

[scheffie]

I am a core player and i have no say or ruling in my KD.
If i say i want to see all 25 in Emeriti dead it has about as much weight as Mike saying it in the other thread.
If you take it serious, then you need to have a reality check.

Why are you saying so much in the forum than? Ur opinion will be threatend as the opinion of pandas and it pissed a lot of us off. Good job, cj has a hard time controlling our core because of you. As far as i know no new deal has made with pandas yet!! See you soon.

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

One important thing to note. "We war like we would if they did their best" means you're honor whoring.

But yea, just saying that you haven't gotten a **** ton of free land and a **** ton of free honor doesn't mean you actually haven't gotten a **** ton of free land and honor.

if you think fs 'whores honor' as a war strat, you have no idea how we do war perhaps you will learn more next time we war..

citadela already mentioned, but we paid a huge price to get into this position to farm them - including many provs killed.. we were in this fight before anybody else, and have been fighting with all tools available since the beginning.. i dont see how this qualifies as getting something free..

[Palem]

Nothing we got was free, we pryed it off thier cold dead hands

lol thank you. I needed something to cheer me up on this terribly muggy day.

You just admitted Emeriti isn't even fighting back at this point, and it's certainly not be FS so totally pwned them into submission.

Gangbanging your way into the top of the 3 classic charts isn't "earning" it.

[AquaSeaFoam]

@jdorje @asf
I cant make you cut your victim bull**** and spreading lies for propaganda purposes, but I will say its big part of why people dislike you and why BB managed to muster more suport for this war than you guys.
You did not get jumped by 5 kd's out of the blue, you were FAR from winning before Pandas joined and BB did NOT gangbang kd for us (FS) last age like you claim, I'll just leave it at that.

I've only said the truth while your side has been caught and exposed in numerous lies. It's true that people dislike the truth when it doesn't suit their agenda.
http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-b...-win-arguments

As for support, BB planned this deal break and gb from the second they found out it was Bour who hit them in YR0 according to flogger. They were allied with Pyro since at least the start of last age so they already had one top alliance mate. They helped FS beat down a kingdom for FS last age so FS owed them. Right off the bat, they already had 2 of the top 3 nw kingdoms this age and one of the most successful war kingdoms of recent previous ages. They then had close to 4 weeks to continue to gather support and plan for their secret deal break and gb into war.

Is it really any surprise that Emeriti, a solo kingdom with no top allies, who was surprise deal broke and jumped into their war vs the #2 nw kingdom was at a big disadvantage? As for numbers who joined to help, Emeriti actually got as many kingdoms volunteering to help them as BB got despite all their planning. But when the #3 nw kingdom deal breaks and gbs the #1 kingdom into war vs the #2 kingdom, then the #3 kingdom is going to massively profit and quickly become too strong to deal with by numbers alone. Once Emeriti was taken out, there was no way left to do much to BB. Once it's clear you have a huge top advantage, then it's not hard to get the profiteers to join your side both for the free acres, and for the promises of help post alliance war. You've won the gb on Emeriti, but don't delude yourself to think that it's because more people believed you were right. You won because you started with 2 of the top 3 kingdoms in a surprise gb and Emeriti's biggest ally (that only became an ally after the gb) was much smaller.

Nearly all of the independent kingdoms speaking here are unanimous in stating that BB and friends have gone way too far here. Deal breaking and gang banging into war and refusing to end it despite Emeriti accepting all terms flogger proposed is completely uncalled for. Flogger and protected have been exposed in numerous lies where they are directly claiming untrue things in their propaganda. If they were in the right, why do they need to lie about most of what they say and continue to deny even when their lies have been proven with logs and screen shots? Say what you like about me personally, but I've been posting the truth here from the beginning and continue to do so be it good or bad.

Although you've won your deal break gang bang into war (congrats), you've proven yourself to care nothing about honorable play.

[Ghetto_King]

Where is the LIKE button on here?
Palem look into this please.

lol thank you. I needed something to cheer me up on this terribly muggy day.

You just admitted Emeriti isn't even fighting back at this point, and it's certainly not be FS so totally pwned them into submission.

Gangbanging your way into the top of the 3 classic charts isn't "earning" it.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Guilty Conscience, who are you exactly, Cheetzy?

[scheffie]

Ghetto_King, who are you exactly, Cheetzy?

He is with crazies. Comparing him with cheetzy is a little embarrasing.

[Ghetto_King]

Ex Garden, Ex Spankers, Ex Haj, Ex Debauchery, Current cRAZiEs Troll

[citadela01]

I've only said the truth while your side has been caught and exposed in numerous lies. It's true that people dislike the truth when it doesn't suit their agenda.
http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-b...-win-arguments

As for support, BB planned this deal break and gb from the second they found out it was Bour who hit them in YR0 according to flogger. They were allied with Pyro since at least the start of last age so they already had one top alliance mate. They helped FS beat down a kingdom for FS last age so FS owed them. Right off the bat, they already had 2 of the top 3 nw kingdoms this age and one of the most successful war kingdoms of recent previous ages. They then had close to 4 weeks to continue to gather support and plan for their secret deal break and gb into war.

Is it really any surprise that Emeriti, a solo kingdom with no top allies, who was surprise deal broke and jumped into their war vs the #2 nw kingdom was at a big disadvantage? As for numbers who joined to help, Emeriti actually got as many kingdoms volunteering to help them as BB got despite all their planning. But when the #3 nw kingdom deal breaks and gbs the #1 kingdom into war vs the #2 kingdom, then the #3 kingdom is going to massively profit and quickly become too strong to deal with by numbers alone. Once Emeriti was taken out, there was no way left to do much to BB. Once it's clear you have a huge top advantage, then it's not hard to get the profiteers to join your side both for the free acres, and for the promises of help post alliance war. You've won the gb on Emeriti, but don't delude yourself to think that it's because more people believed you were right. You won because you started with 2 of the top 3 kingdoms in a surprise gb and Emeriti's biggest helper kingdom was much smaller.

Nearly all of the independent kingdoms speaking here are unanimous in stating that BB and friends have gone way too far here. Deal breaking and gang banging into war and refusing to end it despite Emeriti accepting all terms flogger proposed is completely uncalled for. Flogger and protected have been exposed in numerous lies where they are directly claiming untrue things in their propaganda. If they were in the right, why do they need to lie about most of what they say and continue to deny even when their lies have been proven with logs and screen shots? Say what you like about me personally, but I've been posting the truth here from the beginning and continue to do so be it good or bad.

Although you've won your deal break gang bang into war (congrats), you've proven yourself to care nothing about honorable play.

I refer to is as propaganda and lies cause lot of it is. Namely the fact BB gb'ed a KD for us.

BB bouncewaved ~one province~ for us and straight up after their wave the said KD jumped in war with another KD and was left alone. There was no gangbang.

But ofc you spin the story, obfuscate the facts and mix false statements with lack of context to present the story as it fits you, completely misspresenting the situation in the process.

You dont mention that said province's entire KD hit into our hostile with ED 30+ times, and after we nw droped, declared and destroyed them in war and (generously) allowed them to explore their big provs back they bacstabed us on our very next hostile and kept hitting for days into our hostile with Stoners refusing any and all diplo efectivly making it 2v1 situation for almost a week before we asked BB to help us so we can continue our fight with Stoners and race for honor crown.

So yes, there are lot of lies and propaganda in your posts. And I resent it.

[Persain]

we asked BB to help us so

Did bb help that time...maybe asf is referring to that instance? If they help thaty'd mean they helped you twice last age. Not saying thats y you joined but it shows u were on very good terms with bb

[citadela01]

lol thank you. I needed something to cheer me up on this terribly muggy day.

You just admitted Emeriti isn't even fighting back at this point, and it's certainly not be FS so totally pwned them into submission.

Gangbanging your way into the top of the 3 classic charts isn't "earning" it.

We won, its inevitable we profit in the process, its part of game mechanics. And yes we did "earn" it. This whole affair was not one sided and for a while things looked pretty bad for us actually.
If you dont have character/game knowledge to admit/recognize the diference between what we are doing/have done and oportunistc whoring thats your problem.
As far as Emeriti not fighting its their decision to give up. I have very limited inside knowledge into diplomacy involved and cant rly pass judgement on the topic. Emeriti were scheduled to be dismantled and we proceed with it until diplo solution is reached, thats all I know and can confirm.

[citadela01]

Did bb help that time...maybe asf is referring to that instance? If they help thaty'd mean they helped you twice last age. Not saying thats y you joined but it shows u were on very good terms with bb

Bouncing that one prov is all BB did for us, and yes we are friendly with them. We never denied that.

[flogger]

good lord, go away for a day thinking a war is coming to an end, then you go ahead and read some dorje posts. He sure does know how to muck that up, doesn't he.