ace..razes from other kingdoms don't take honor. He meant for sparta to intra raze themselves as show that the message has been received and learned. This way no one gains that honor or land, so no one can say that someone benefited from policing.
ace..razes from other kingdoms don't take honor. He meant for sparta to intra raze themselves as show that the message has been received and learned. This way no one gains that honor or land, so no one can say that someone benefited from policing.
Originally Posted by Goodwitch
Sorry to break your rose colored glasses my friend but persian specifically said "our honor" and as for benefiting we will see if emiriti loses the 12k land they got from the spartans. Ill give you a hint *whispers* they wont. They want spartans to get a war loss apparently so I was just saying. Forcing a kd to wd. As divinity JUST offered spartans is a clear break in rules. Sure outside hit can continue but you can say "lose or we will kill you more" how do they know they arent just getting a win for the other side or something like that. Setting up an outcome in a war is BREAKING THE RULES... That's what ive heard from this thread at least right? No grey areas?
Surrendering isn't breaking the rules...agreeing to surrender before a war starts is. One method u could do to avoid gb is surrender your current war and then intra raze away a good deal of your honor. None of that is breaking the rules.
Also as for the land emeriti took, they dont want your land and wont keep it. question is if we take it, they get it razed away, donate to CR.....no one really wants that land except maybe spartans.
So you CAN decide the outcome of a war and it not be a fake war. if someone who isnt in the war is forcing you into it? Good to know. Thanks!
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yea...i mean no one involved in the GB :P dont worry
No its not a fake war if outside forces interfer to create a loss. Or forces a loss. Thats called a gangbang or possibly an alliance war.
Fakewar is when the entire war itself is fake and pre-agreed in order to achiev something else than the actual war. Like a free Pump in war-prot OR escape from other wars or bad situations. Like what happened here.
And in that situation terms are agreed upon and heres the crucial part! -> Agreed winner/loser before the war actually begins! (Which is what you offered to divinity)
Good to know. So the rules are set up that an outside force can dictate the ww charts? So if a group of top kds banded together to infulence ww that wouldnt be against the rules? I'm learning so much here! I thought it was any force influencing the ww chart was at fault ( like it says in the rules) but thats good to know. Thank you
depends on HOW they influence the ww chart. if its simply A wars B and C threatens B yes thats tehincally legal. however when "kds" found out its going on there would probubly be a gangbang of both A and C
Sir if Ive learned anything from this thread is that there is no grey space when it comes to rules. Its black and white so which is it?
So if a kd lets it be known that they will wd from a war they dont think they can win it's a fake war. But when a kd does wd from a war they can win in order to achieve diplomatic goals it's legit?
The "offer" wasnt we are going to raze you until their is no way you can win the war and have to WD. For it to be an "offer" at all we would have to disregard who would actually win/lose the war and just promise to WD so that we have the WW record that persians has determined we deserve.
Of course this is just me "spinning" the facts. Looking back on it now I see that the white knights have all been super straightforward with their honest and righteous diplo while any one who sees sparta's side of things is either a noob or just spinning things. How very noobish and spinny of me to have an opinion at all.
Its neither. Its yellow and brown with a white background called snow.
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Aces im merely saying what is as per utopia game rules by the devs/owners/mods and fake wars for that reason is forbidden.
Retaliating or diplomatic disputes or interferring in other kd's affairs is something else and that is the sole erason why utopian diplomacy exists. I will not go on further about interpretations of other things or whats morally right or wrong here. Im just saying what game rules are. As in there is NO discussing it. Bishop warns/suspens/bans people who break utopia's rules. Just ask strippers what bishop did to them a few ages ago.
If said war-terms involving withdrawal are made before the war starts then yes. If you were to have offered divinity a war win before the war even started even if you were to offer them the war win so you could escape some other situations. If that would be the case then yes. Now that divinity didnt actually accept the offer of a free war win its not a fake war. And although the offer was made. There is no real proof that you would "stick with it". However if any of your previously warred kd's would come forward and say that they had entered war agreeing on the outcome (win/lose) beforehand. Wow then you would be in trouble =)
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