Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Kurd]

hahah Well done to the taunting banner SS,
laughing me ass out ;D

[khronosschoty]

lol. i love it when people attempt to play down my crew and myself.

my crew who followed me and I have fought much tougher 25 vs 25 man wars, where there's most probably better strategical planning, better coordination and better leadership. and we have fought kingdoms at the top of the whoring tier and warring tier and won most of them.

i sat sitting after ~28hrs in war when the noobs markers and copious were declaring that they could run much better waves with better strategical decisions and chaining than me. of course i laughed and decided to let them prove their point. at start of hostile, SS were 140k nw behind Ascension and about ~10% troops behind.. when i decided to set sitting (after micro-ing the first 3 full waves).. SS were 170k NW ahead (both sides made the same amount of waves).. we all knew what happened after that.

i'm sure ascension were wondering how come after ~28hrs of war, SS were like making poor strategical decisions and poor planning/coordination.

Markers was handed a war in his favour, but not only did he proceed on to lose it. he lost it badly.. and that's even with one of the more active crews i've seen in the past few ages of uto.

"i'm sure ascension were wondering how come after ~28hrs of war, SS were like making poor strategical decisions and poor planning/coordination." I had noticed and suspect this would be the case as soon as SS changed stewards. As far as the 28 hours mark however I do not recall anymore. I did however notice poor planning / coordination after SS changed steward. I was not, however, overly impressed with SS before the steward change either.

[protector]

My opinion doesn't have anything to do with other peoples opinions, it's quite clear that both sides have different opinions so throwing mine into the ring isn't really adding anything.

For what it's worth, if you consider the situation as being only FS making hits on other KDs then no I don't think they should be GBed for it as I agree that utopia should be about 1v1 and larger KDs should be able to leverage their power to make gains otherwise if no-one can hit anyone then the game might as well be Hello Kitty Explorer Adventures.

If it's 1v1 action, it should remain that. Can't blame anyone (not ED, not FS, nor anyone else for that matter) to hit people in NW range to increase their honor.
More and more kingdoms seem to think tagging "war agreed" makes you immune to getting hit.

Hostile/war(+eowcf) should be honored. Everything else is fair game.

That said, anyone who wants to paint this as just FS making some valid hits and getting unfairly GBed for it is assuming everyone else is very naive. ED might have made some enemies along the way, but the vast majority of our conflicts ended reasonably and our wars were mostly against larger KDs even when the other KD was in a better shape than us. Compare this to FS' recent record of wars; when ED had problems with them 2 ages ago there were many people who expressed being pissed off with the way they'd played vs. them, compare last age when FS were very happy to run to their alliance to get help and both help in GBing KDs and asking for hits against other KDs, have an actual read of peoples posts on these boards where they express their dislike for FS and the reasons they give.

Ruthless broke an eoacf with FS. Birdie was hostile with us and it's no secret that Feint is known for his douchy moves

As a side note, humans are top of the food chain because of our intelligence. Being stronger means jack **** in the real world, I don't see many people who'd take on a black bear in the wild armed with a stick, but band together a group of hunters and you can take one down much easier and it's not much consolation to the dead bear when it's friends are ripping the people apart after the fact.

But this isn't the real world. This is Utopia were the stronger beats the weaker. Being more intelligent than another person/kingdom also plays a part in 'being stronger'. Being strong isn't all about strength.

[citadela01]

Logs can come if and when I have time. First however, I'd like saumpuan /leadership of fs to acknowledge what I'm referring to instead of firstly ignoring me totally and then playing dumb. People have enough bad experiences edit this kd irrespective of anything I will post.

Either back your accusations or your just part of the white noise in this thread.
Lots of empty accusations were made (ie SS having cf deal with us) and to try to answer them is futile.

So either bring proof to the table or be ignored.

[lampost]

Either back your accusations or your just part of the white noise in this thread.
Lots of empty accusations were made (ie SS having cf deal with us) and to try to answer them is futile.

So either bring proof to the table or be ignored.

You've answered more or less every accusation made in this thread. Whereas you spent a day ignoring mine. Ignore what you choose to. I gave enough information for you (leadership) to know exactly what I'm referring to instead of playing the I don't know what you're on about game.

[citadela01]

You've answered more or less every accusation made in this thread. Whereas you spent a day ignoring mine. Ignore what you choose to. I gave enough information for you (leadership) to know exactly what I'm referring to instead of playing the I don't know what you're on about game.

And there you got fading back into the said noise ...

[Sheister]

yea no. They may be winning the war because an alliance comprised of some of the biggest kingdoms on the server are making sure of that. They are not winning the argument. If anything it just makes my argument about what's wrong with Utopia today more compelling. Bullying for personal gain without regards to fairness and the spirit of the game. Twisting facts and omitting/adding freely until the story matches the agenda. Offering unreasonable terms under threats just to give the illusion of willingness to negotiate. Stalling whenever possible to achieve set objectives.
Thoroughly planned and executed nicely. Except a lot of people now have seen how it works. It was a little too obvious.
Merry Christmas :) followed very quickly by a Happy New Year! and then comes a New Age! With a lot of people a lot wiser ;) Good Luck to All!

Sorry. Arguments are won in the game here. The ideology backed by fs and crew is winning. It is OK to hit smaller kingdoms. Argument nearly done.

[Duke_]

Regarding the current situation. Merry XMAS 2016!

My gift to you guys is a wall of text!

[11:57] L: Yo
[12:02]*CJ:*Sup
[12:04]*L:*You keeping up with this drama in X:X?
[23/12 12:04] CJ: Just read forums ytd
[23/12 12:04] CJ: If I were to pick a side, I think fs is more correct
[23/12 12:07] CJ: Basically from what I read on the forums. Fs and SS were 3k honour difference with SS coming out of war.
[23/12 12:07] CJ: Fs wanted to secure honour crown.
[23/12 12:07] CJ: SS wanted to hide and run away like find another war and hopefully honour crown
[23/12 12:07] CJ: If you were fs. You would do the exact same thing
[23/12 12:07] CJ: I would
[23/12 12:08] CJ: I would wave SS and make sure I have sufficient honour lead.

X [12:54 PM] : FS tried to bully, which they always do!
cj [12:54 PM] : Fs tried to secure their honour crown. X, You would do the same thing as they did
X [12:55 PM] : CJ, If i wanted to do it, I wouldnt hit a kd and keep hitting them
cj [12:57 PM] : X, when will you stop hitting as fs then?
I will stop when there's enough buffer between me and the #2 honour kd I'm hitting
Or when #2 honour kd agrees not to crown and have shenanigans at end of age
Define what's 'hitting too much '? After you do so, then consider did fs hit too much?
It was 3k honour difference at first. They were at like 110k honour.
Any ww by #2 SS would generate at least 15-20k honour

X [1:00 PM] : I would jut try to get 1-2 waves or sort diplomacy after 1st wave, which clearly FS ignored
cj [1:00 PM] : SS didn't want to sign some sort of we will not crown etc, from what I read in the forums even though they said they wont. We all know a ww by #2 will make them leapfrog fs.
X [1:01 PM] : CJ, you cannot ask a kd not to crown 10 days before the age, in the war tier, its generally the rule that if there is an agreed war, they do not hit! Just like the top tier has the notice thing but FS in their arrogance ignored it
cj [1:02 PM] : Then if they don't agree to crown. I will ensure that I crown by creating a decent gap between my honour and their honour. I don't know how true is that agreed war btw. Let's just say that I also don't have a good opinion of Francis. But still think fs has more right

[23/12 12:08] CJ: I suspect the gb was started might have been by SS and friends first
[23/12 12:08] L: How do you know ss started it?
[23/12 12:08] CJ: They maxed meter and had 2-3 other kds rk fs shortly after war declare
[23/12 12:08] CJ: Take a SN
[23/12 12:08] L: That's my biggest question
[23/12 12:09] CJ: The razes were onto fs first
[23/12 12:09] L: Sn isn't proof that SS gbed them
[23/12 12:09] CJ: Ss can claim yhat they didn't arrange for friends to help... it's a possibility.
[23/12 12:09] L: It's just evidence that fs got razed
[23/12 12:09] CJ: But..
[23/12 12:09] CJ: Who the **** max meter against a kd much larger without any plans when it's #2 honour vs #1 honour
[23/12 12:10] CJ: I am just basing off forums and my own interpretation. It can't be confirmed it was coordinated. But feels so.
[23/12 12:10] L: Yeah idk
[23/12 12:10] CJ: Doesn't make sense to max meter and give the honour crown to fs .. unless you have plans
[23/12 12:11] CJ: I mean. Ss were ****ing pissed that fs waved them for honour and gave them no shot at honour crown (since they couldn't hide or run further).
[23/12 12:11] CJ: Why would you max meter declare and farm out?

Those top kds involved with currently razing SS are just doing so based on the assumption that SS had planned an organized gb on FS, even though the logs and events that unfolded show otherwise. Conveniently, FS asks their allies again for help razing not those responsible for razing into war, but SS, while vehementy denying they are in any sort of alliance. How else do you think the Feyr play alliance involved (FS, Pyro, BB, Wsk, and now Crazies due to ex-bb leader) can justify their now 1000+ razes into SS, if their only crime is standing up to ****play by FS. Of course not, they have to weave it so that they have a reason to gangbang SS to help their allies FS crown, as they revealed. Funny, FS was gonna crown anyway, SS wasn't even competiting for the crown (anyone really think SS will gain honor from prepping for agreed war with Divinity and surpass FS who is randoming for 3k honor per day?), but they still feel the need to assert their superiority.

Ponder this: Lost souls and Ruthless had broke CF with FS on their own accord during hostile prior to maxing meter (due to their hate for FS as a result of previous ****play) as their monarchs have mentioned, whereas immediately after maxing meter they had very few armies remaining to actually raze chained provs of FS (in fact Lost sould only started razing FS 13 hours after conflict began, and only 4 players from Ruthless razed FS before 13 hours had passed, as previously mentioned). So your accusations that SS planned razekills on FS shortly after declare is blatantly wrong. Why do something so counter productive if this was an organized event. And we all know what feint is capable of and their strained relationship with markers and SS, so is anyone actually surprised about birdies?

But now those KDs involved in razing SS know its too late to pull out now. They can't just apologize and say, sorry we broke EOACF with you and razed you 1000+ times into war for the crime of standing up to FS ****play.

Edit: Regarding why we chose to war FS instead of just bowing down like the rest:
Their wave essentially ruined all hope we had of having another fun war before EOA because all initial hits were on our tms who got raped not only honor-wise but military-wise. This also put an end to our agreed war with Divinity, the only target near our range who wasnt tagged war or was in war at that time, since we also offered FS war if they landdrop but they declined. In doing this wave, they ignore a total of 3 pms, proposing we not compete for honor crown and our agreed war plans. They propose their cf offer which involve us not ever surpassing 85% of FS honor and needing to intra raze our honor away if we ever do, and prevent us from warring any kds FS are cfed with, such cf terms basically means we have to stagnate until EOA to meet FS's desires. All this just so we can beg FS to stop hitting us, and ypu question why we didnt take it? This was the second time we got waved by FS this age while they are out of declare range. This was the not the first time they ****played us because some people in our KD already been victims of previous ****play by FS and wanted to war regardless of result. Need any more reasons?

[Feint]

Protector not able to handle feint, thus seek elsewhere to display his ego and power which he can influence his authority, that is to so called razing SS in the name of justice. Chao chee bye ah gua, bo ji la. So what is I am a ***, ni nai wo he. Tiu lei...

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

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so youre saying you hate us, and would declare anyway to give us +10k more honor, on top of what we already had?

p.s. i started counting, but stopped after 5th lie/misinformation i spotted - keep living in your fantasy world, and spit your lies endlessly.. guess what? nobody buys them..

[s7ark]

Funny, FS was gonna crown anyway, SS wasn't even competiting for the crown (anyone really think SS will gain honor from prepping for agreed war with Divinity and surpass FS who is randoming for 3k honor per day?), but they still feel the need to assert their superiority.

Ponder this: Lost souls and Ruthless had broke CF with FS on their own accord during hostile prior to maxing meter (due to their hate for FS as a result of previous ****play) as their monarchs have mentioned, whereas immediately after maxing meter they had very few armies remaining to actually raze chained provs of FS (in fact Lost sould only started razing FS 13 hours after conflict began, and only 4 players from Ruthless razed FS before 13 hours had passed, as previously mentioned). So your accusations that SS planned razekills on FS shortly after declare is blatantly wrong. Why do something so counter productive if this was an organized event. And we all know what feint is capable of and their strained relationship with markers and SS, so is anyone actually surprised about birdies?

I'm offended you didnt acknowledge my previous post. Night confirmed SS his ally. Someone gave head to Night before the gangbang. Goodwitch was recruiting. Ruthless waved FS right before SS declared <-- wanna see SN?

None of those points came from me tho. your 'taskforce' leaders admitted themselves. exception to the SN.

Also what is this war agreed BS with divinity? didnt someone from divinity confirm that chances of them agreeing to war was '0' at that point?

Might be 3 pages late...but just tossing this out there

The talks were...u need the honor to war us as we'll be droping 45k acres and you growing 9k. Both the SS and my kd though basically wanted to war but how "Set" our war was tentative at best as i didn't even have kds lined up to land drop us and there was 0 point in agreeing 100% to anything before they talked to you guys. To that end the SS did msg you over in FS before they got waved without a response.

Beyond that I'd argue SS didn't ask in enough time (<12 hours before a planed wave) and the post wave one Diplomacy was marginal at best (as far as i know the only real diplomacy was between FS-Divinity where we offered to not honor crown over FS if they could work something out w/SS).

To that end
stuff like this seems a bit skewed to make FS seem a bit more "Evil" than how things played out.

[Duke_]

so youre saying you hate us, and would declare anyway to give us +10k more honor, on top of what we already had?

p.s. i started counting, but stopped after 5th lie/misinformation i spotted - keep living in your fantasy world, and spit your lies endlessly.. guess what? nobody buys them..

Lmao? Like the version that whatever FS says is always right? Why dont you point out where my facts were wrong if you are so sure FS is innocent in all this? Enough so that you and your allies can continue believing that your Feyr play alliance is always right. Guess what we have all the news from our side and your side from sn, and the best you can do is come in and say lies again and again. So yeah keep believing in your own fantasy that your actions are justified lol.

[Sheister]

meh

I really can't judge either side of this, tbh. I just happen to play in pyro and the orders came down how they came down. Sucks to be SS.

Near as I can tell though, the argument score is currently 10-4 in favor of FS.

You all may not like it, but in this game, might makes right. All your rhetoric is worthless. If you don't like something, enforce it. If the other side has more support to enforce what they want, they win. Don't like it? grow bigger and gain skills needed to kick their butt so your ideology can prevail.

[Duke_]

I'm offended you didnt acknowledge my previous post. Night confirmed SS his ally. Someone gave head to Night before the gangbang. Goodwitch was recruiting. Ruthless waved FS right before SS declared <-- wanna see SN?

None of those points came from me tho. your 'taskforce' leaders admitted themselves. exception to the SN.

Also what is this war agreed BS with divinity? didnt someone from divinity confirm that chances of them agreeing to war was '0' at that point?

Maybe you should have read what I said. You dont think ruthless hitting before war declare rather than afterwards, and that only 4 people from ruthless and lost souls combined hit in the first 13h following war declare is counter productive. Yeah of course something so organized must be planned.

[Goodwitch]

whoa... Lost Souls did NOT have any sort of CF with FS!
We also had an ongoing discussion about bullying well before FS even waved SS.
Also please do check the news, or the forum for that matter, we hit FS even before war. Francis tried to accuse us of hitting into an active hostile contradicting his earlier statement of what that entails. Exactly why we did that, to show that currently right and wrong is measured with different scales for different people.

I did call for a task force and alliance of sorts that smaller kingdoms can go to to get help with bullying and unfair situations. That help could include diplomacy and tactics but in severe cases of bigger kingdoms(not just top kingdoms, bullying happens at every level)playing against the spirit of the game a task force could also help strengthen the smaller kingdom's position.
And we are working on that. We have some very reputable old kingdoms that do not currently compete in the crown races sitting together and will work on things while waiting for EOA. Just because an alliance for smaller kingdoms doesn't fit into your game plan doesn't mean it can't and won't happen.

S7ark I am almost certain that if you ask Protector or Francis they will tell you that I did none of those things you so very graciously accuse me of.

I still believe hitting SS was the wrong position. It set a very dangerous precedent that we'll all have to deal with in the future now. Every time another kingdom hits into a war the hit kingdom now can potentially call for action and going by precedent not the hitters will get punished but the warring kingdom. So potentially , if you wanted to hurt someone you could just act like an ally , hit into their opponent during war and boom they are screwed.

While I am not complaining, and ascension knows I don't hold a grudge against them for it, it is very strange that out of the kingdoms hitting, Lost Souls was as far as I know the only one receiving punishing hits. And I am sure there is a great explanation by the alliance that will not include personal gain as a reason.

s7ark if you want to spit poison that is your business but it's fairly obvious you didn't quote what Divinity said because you used one line out of context. Divinity said they were making arrangements to war but it was hinging on FS not hitting SS. After FS second wave the chances of the war happening were 0.