Panda vs bb

[Anri]

Anri - Please post update in war thread in the news :(

I remember warring Sanctuary for 14 days, over that time there was people pointing out counter strategy to Sanctuary on how to beat us. A few guys did very solid posts, i remember having to tell Baka to edit out a post because he pointed out next to exactly what Sanctuary needed to do to beat us. I really don't like to get to much into depth analyze of wars since then. Every setup has some very weak spots. But summary and some other basic details are fine i guess.

[flogger]

You missed a few important points as to why you are losing Flogger.

I think spending nearly all your cash and sending us a ruby vs our gold on you guys was one of the more major screwups, even if it Protector was defending this choice of dragon until he turned blue in his face.

And your bank strategy? What the holy hell, its been very bad....

We couldn't even break your faeries without the ruby, and your dwarves woulda been able to break our banks in hostile more easily. People were talking about just the DME of Forts vs Ruby, it also affected offense on your cows.

As for our cows, At no point was sending out a good idea vs you turtled, since you could wave and beat us home. CR is going to have a similar issues with the speed effect. It makes it very hard for them to send out their cows.

What good does a Gold dragon do us on you? You have 5 dwarves who are turtled. What's the gold matter on a turtled dwarf? You're too active to starve out. Then on the faery side, if we need the Ruby to break, Ruby is better. I'm not sure why you and godly are focusing on a hostile dragon as having any impact on who won the war.

[Anri]

I am glad you feel that way!

[Band of Horses]

I don't know. Cheetzy maybe trying to tone that i was in KD or not. It hardly matters since i did not lead KD nor was in LS that age. It probably did take half the age for some ppl to find out who i was. If cheetzy was one of them i don't know.

I don't consider myself a super detective or anything but it seemed simple to figure out. You're inferring that Cheetzy 1) Couldn't figure out that Henke was Anry when your instagram is henke82 it's in your damn sig 2) He couldn't retroactively figure out that Henke had been there the whole time when you finally did the big reveal lol

I'm not saying you're all liars but there is lying going on.

[AMP]

I find it amazing that apparently it was a great move for Pandas to enter a several weeks long conflict, in a war strat, with pumped military, where it lost a bank, instead of using those several weeks to prepared, while another kd had nearly a month to prepare with all the rest of the top busy.

While Pandas banks and provs ran full military, CJ had banks on 100k def and 6k+ acres...so ofc this means we were better prepared and using the awar to gain over CJ. Screw logic right, afterall, it's a strategy game...:P

Regarding the status of the awar when Pandas joined, well Emeriti was pretty much untouched and so were most of the kds in their side, so if thats a clean up phase, we do have very different perceptions of the game.

[AMP]

About Anri, initially it wasnt certain he would play, and when he did, he played as a normal regular player and not involved in LS.

Calling a kd that has a couple of former players from Simians, that name, is simply wrong or trying to stir up other past issues that have nothing to do with the new kd.

Also, the hate going around is just silly.

[Band of Horses]

I find it amazing that apparently it was a great move for Pandas to enter a several weeks long conflict, in a war strat, with pumped military, where it lost a bank, instead of using those several weeks to prepared, while another kd had nearly a month to prepare with all the rest of the top busy.

While Pandas banks and provs ran full military, CJ had banks on 100k def and 6k+ acres...so ofc this means we were better prepared and using the awar to gain over CJ. Screw logic right, afterall, it's a strategy game...:P

Regarding the status of the awar when Pandas joined, well Emeriti was pretty much untouched and so were most of the kds in their side, so if thats a clean up phase, we do have very different perceptions of the game.

I'd agree with you if you picked raze instead of trad march. You gained acres, reminds me greatly of Pyro in the AMA GB. Logic you got acres from it that you wouldn't have if you weren't involved like cJ. You use an ambiguous term like "pretty much untouched" They were certainly touched but I guess you can claim its not untouched since you said pretty much... War had already ensued, provs were already dead. Even Anry says you didn't join at the start why are you trying to argue this? More lying from Pandas?

About Anri, initially it wasnt certain he would play, and when he did, he played as a normal regular player and not involved in LS.

Calling a kd that has a couple of former players from Simians, that name, is simply wrong or trying to stir up other past issues that have nothing to do with the new kd.

Also, the hate going around is just silly.

A 60 age old shell with the same leader from 60 ages in the kd along with a number of kd mates that we will never truly get a straight answer out of since there were lies from the beginning on how many, including denials of Anry being in kd. Admit your sins instead of digging the hole deeper. Nothing wrong with what you did except the lying and not standing firm in your actions.

[TheOne]

i wanted to refrain from posting.. but just cant withhold my thoughts with all the lying going out there.

it's okay to lie and be scummy, just be upfront with it :)

pandas told me that they wont get involved in the awar when crazies-pandas made a cf. this cf was made when the awar already started i remember it was a certain yr xx cf with 48 hours... (like it was a short 1 week cf with notice agreement). crazies was larger than pandas as we had just won wsk and we had better cows and all. i was dead sure that i would have farmed pandas 1+ week later as i dont see how they would have challenged my cows.

shortly after a few days later.. low and behold, i saw pandas waving meep's kd for acres. i was dafug. it was totally clear that meep kd was involved in the awar, and i remembered there was the excuse by padnas that meep kd did 1 hit out of 3423432 hits on a kingdom not involved in the awar.. it was wtf?! ok so pandas asked and received 2 waves from meep kd for a total of xx acres for a cf agreement brokered by asf+meep. i was like ok.. fine.. i'll still beat them when our cf up.. oh ya i remembered anri mentioning somewhere that this leadership decision didnt sit too well with him too.. asking for acres from a kingdom involved in awar for a cf.

i was wtf though. pandas said they wont get involved in awar. but they did. then shortly after that cf, they went fort and trained on the new acres and came out and joined the awar on bb&friends side and broke cf with meep kd..

i'm like wtf. ok.. perhaps pandas really had the conviction to be part of the anti-abs, pro-bb&friends alliance.. but it really seemed wtf to me..

cut long story short, bb&friends won the awar and pandas were barely being hit by abs&friends during the last week of the awar. in fact, pandas started exploring cows like 6-7 days before awar ended and ofc emeriti decided to LL 1 of the wpa-less cow a few hundred acres off (if you call that 'losing' a cow.. it's like the little boy wanting to eat a candy but you take it away from him before his tongue touches it.)... so pandas spent like the last week of the awar barely receiving any hits and exploring and stocking science+gc.. i mean i saw schools and banks when i surveyed provinces during the last week of the awar. hmmm.

when the awar ended, we had a 48hrs notice. but i changed it to 5 days out of good will.. and i refused to budge despite flogger (leader of bb&friends) asking me to do so. well no one dared to gb me from the bb&friends group because it was clear to all how much sufficient and additional prep pandas actually got on top of a 48hrs notice.

anw what happened in the past, stays in the past :P

morale of the story : if you wanna be sly, just say so! i was truthful in my attempts to fsu anri a few ages ago :P

[Palem]

it's okay to lie and be scummy, just be upfront with it :)

...that's not how lying works...

[Judge]

i wanted to refrain from posting.. but just cant withhold my thoughts with all the lying going out there.

it's okay to lie and be scummy, just be upfront with it :)

pandas told me that they wont get involved in the awar when crazies-pandas made a cf. this cf was made when the awar already started i remember it was a certain yr xx cf with 48 hours... (like it was a short 1 week cf with notice agreement). crazies was larger than pandas as we had just won wsk and we had better cows and all. i was dead sure that i would have farmed pandas 1+ week later as i dont see how they would have challenged my cows.

shortly after a few days later.. low and behold, i saw pandas waving meep's kd for acres. i was dafug. it was totally clear that meep kd was involved in the awar, and i remembered there was the excuse by padnas that meep kd did 1 hit out of 3423432 hits on a kingdom not involved in the awar.. it was wtf?! ok so pandas asked and received 2 waves from meep kd for a total of xx acres for a cf agreement brokered by asf+meep. i was like ok.. fine.. i'll still beat them when our cf up.. oh ya i remembered anri mentioning somewhere that this leadership decision didnt sit too well with him too.. asking for acres from a kingdom involved in awar for a cf.

i was wtf though. pandas said they wont get involved in awar. but they did. then shortly after that cf, they went fort and trained on the new acres and came out and joined the awar on bb&friends side and broke cf with meep kd..

i'm like wtf. ok.. perhaps pandas really had the conviction to be part of the anti-abs, pro-bb&friends alliance.. but it really seemed wtf to me..

cut long story short, bb&friends won the awar and pandas were barely being hit by abs&friends during the last week of the awar. in fact, pandas started exploring cows like 6-7 days before awar ended and ofc emeriti decided to LL 1 of the wpa-less cow a few hundred acres off (if you call that 'losing' a cow.. it's like the little boy wanting to eat a candy but you take it away from him before his tongue touches it.)... so pandas spent like the last week of the awar barely receiving any hits and exploring and stocking science+gc.. i mean i saw schools and banks when i surveyed provinces during the last week of the awar. hmmm.

when the awar ended, we had a 48hrs notice. but i changed it to 5 days out of good will.. and i refused to budge despite flogger (leader of bb&friends) asking me to do so. well no one dared to gb me from the bb&friends group because it was clear to all how much sufficient and additional prep pandas actually got on top of a 48hrs notice.

anw what happened in the past, stays in the past :P

morale of the story : if you wanna be sly, just say so! i was truthful in my attempts to fsu anri a few ages ago :P

That is 99% correct.. However you are mis-stating the 1% and the most important fact!!!!!

[zsivhawk]

I remember warring Sanctuary for 14 days, over that time there was people pointing out counter strategy to Sanctuary on how to beat us. A few guys did very solid posts, i remember having to tell Baka to edit out a post because he pointed out next to exactly what Sanctuary needed to do to beat us. I really don't like to get to much into depth analyze of wars since then. Every setup has some very weak spots. But summary and some other basic details are fine i guess.

I understand that man, I do appreciate the update, though! It is fun following top wars.

[AMP]

Pandas did have a cf deal with Crazies, who told Pandas that they didn't want to be at the top or were interested in it and they also told us they would stay out.

After the awar conflict started, suddenly Meep kd (monarch prov) starts attacking another kd of their own side, all pretty normal these days for some I guess...

Pandas then decided to wave Meep as we had no deal with them and were limited in targets, seeing they were just bouncing provs and were already hitting out of the conflict. We did a deal with Meep and Meep alone, even after threats and a lot of complaints from CJ, even hinting he would join ABS side.

After sometime (a week I believe), after knowing new info, after talking with a lot of people, after other friendly kds got involved, after days of pressures to accept CFs with all ABS side, we took a stance and joined in.

We spent most hits just bouncing banks and razing, land hits were a minority, so unless people complaining have a different strategic logic, I would consider this an awful way to grow and gain any sort of advantage over CJ.

While one kd was growing freely, waving down any kd with NOONE to threat them at the top, whoring their provs with absurd def in a normal situation, the other was heavily involved in a conflict, getting severely opped and hit by a few kds, mostly from Emeriti.

If this is the best way for the second kd to gain any sort of advantage, I have really been playing this game in a wrong way.

It seems one kd did gain a lot from this situation and that kd was not Pandas.

Absurd to bring this back when the situation was very favourable for one side, not Pandas, still there was a war and relations did improve afterwards.

[Band of Horses]

Regarding the status of the awar when Pandas joined, well Emeriti was pretty much untouched and so were most of the kds in their side, so if thats a clean up phase, we do have very different perceptions of the game.

You say this then you say on the same page that there was a week you believe and then a few days of pressure to accept cf... You counter your own points within posts of each other. Either they were untouched or it was weeks and a few days after....

Pandas did have a cf deal with Crazies, who told Pandas that they didn't want to be at the top or were interested in it and they also told us they would stay out.

After the awar conflict started, suddenly Meep kd (monarch prov) starts attacking another kd of their own side, all pretty normal these days for some I guess...

Pandas then decided to wave Meep as we had no deal with them and were limited in targets, seeing they were just bouncing provs and were already hitting out of the conflict. We did a deal with Meep and Meep alone, even after threats from abs side and a lot of complaints from CJ, even hinting he would join ABS side.

After sometime (a week I believe), after knowing new info, after talking with a lot of people, after other friendly kds got involved, after days of pressures to accept CF with all ABS side or we could get into trouble, we took a stance and joined in.

We spent most hits just bouncing banks and razing, land hits were a minority, so unless people complaining have a different strategic logic, I would consider this an awful way to grow and gain any sort of advantage over CJ.

While one kd was growing freely, waving down any kd with NOONE to threat them at the top, whoring their provs with absurd def in a normal situation, the other was heavily involved in a conflict, getting severely opped and hit by a few kds, mostly from Emeriti.

If this is the best way for the second kd to gain any sort of advantage, I have really been playing this game in a wrong way.

It seems one kd did gain a lot from this situation and that kd was not Pandas.

Actually the kd randoming was Expendables, CJ was pumping and exploring while only randoming his chained provs from the wsk war. He had humans so couldn't go to a whore cap that Expendables orcs were able to. So yeah you gained more acres than him during it. You have been playing this game wrong if your intent was to play clean; you're not.

[vir]

All the history is very interesting and specially how it all is connected to this war..

The update from flogger was very interesting and honest though, i liked that. Hopefully we can get some more updates as the war ends. Doubt hesus will go crazy on teh forums though but hopefully some of his master lvl strategy thoughts are shared with the rest of his kingdom so someone from pandas can share it with us mortal, weak, peons.

[AMP]

You say this then you say on the same page that there was a week you believe and then a few days of pressure to accept cf... You counter your own points within posts of each other. Either they were untouched or it was weeks and a few days after....



Actually the kd randoming was Expendables, CJ was pumping and exploring while only randoming his chained provs from the wsk war. He had humans so couldn't go to a whore cap that Expendables orcs were able to. So yeah you gained more acres than him during it. You have been playing this game wrong if your intent was to play clean; you're not.

I believe the problem in here might be your lack of understanding English. First week of conflict was very mild. The damage done was very soft compared to what would come after.

About Crazies, they waved around and were aggressive stance during that time, best for exploring? Lol, learn the game and stop lying.

Anyway, won't be replying more to this nonsense, I've reach my quota for silly discussions with people who don't want to talk about facts and who are demonstrating a lack of knowledge to analyse the situation in an impartial way.

Have fun in your imaginary reality, keep repeating lies until u believe them, but don't expect others to.