Totally agree but what I find so amazing is any one of those 'faults' of Hillary are there in Trump even more so. They forgive or look the other way when it comes to Trump and crucify Hillary for less.Originally Posted by skraz
Trump just put these Goldman/sachs guys in positions of power and paid himself and his businesses over 12 million in campaign funds... He's already made a killing and he's not even if office yet.
Last edited by Swirvin'Birds; 17-12-2016 at 05:46.
i do not disagree with you, im just pointing out, that putting Hillary as your candidate (even when she is your candidate via corruption against bernie sanders) is not the way to win an election.
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so are you saying we should have gone with a more vulgar and immoral candidate that can speak to the lowest common denominator of intelligence?
I find it disheartening that over half the people did not vote for the party that brought us out of the greatest recession since in over 30 years and pulled us out of a foreign war that the last conservative administration got us into. I guess people who harp on Obama's increase of national debt easily forget that if not for the bail out, the American auto-industry would have collapsed as well as the American banking industry following that.
If you weight the fact that the liberal administration of the last 8 years was able to solidify the assets of every bank doing business in the US as well as add restrictions to toxic derivatives and predatory lending...AND all while nurturing the economy to record highs and lowering the unemployment rate to per-recession levels...I'd say it would be a modest trade-off.
Since Trump supporters are so sheepishly dumb that they already forgot about the greener pastures and only following the bleating of a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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I didn't say that..... In fact I think and insinuated you should have gone with Bernie.... The guy Hillary was shown to **** over
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skraz, 'corruption' is a strong word for Hillary's defeat of Bernie. Hillary was a party favourite, and there are certain institutional benefits to that. The Dems, unlike the GOP, have safeguards to prevent an unaligned populist outsider from coming in and hijacking the party. You can agree or disagree about the merit of having the 'superdelegates', but fundamentally the Democratic Party is a democratic organization, and the superdelegates are all either themselves elected or appointed by persons who were elected - in other words, if Democrats as a group had really wanted to change this infrastructure before the election, there was nothing stopping them.
I appreciate some of Bernie's policies, and his desire to shake up the establishment, and I admire his grassroots funding campaign, but large numbers of his supporters were political Johnny-come-latelies, who a year ago probably didn't know the word 'superdelegate' and couldn't have named the DNC chair. (As I say for general elections: If you don't vote, all you're doing is relegating your power to those who do.)
In any event, it turns out that the superdelegate support was moot. Hillary won the primary even without considering the superdelegates, in both delegate count and popular vote.
You're right that Hillary is a proven liar. She's told a number of convenient political lies. This is, sadly, ubiquitous of the system. Trump, on the other hand, comes in without the baggage of a 'political record', and yet fact-checking him is a marathon activity. Whenever he opens his mouth, he's more likely than not to say something that's provably false. And in terms of actual 'corruption', the allegations of corruption against Hillary either require some pretty speculative inferential leaps, or extend the meaning of the word past what it bears. Trump, by contrast, is well documented for payoffs to people who are investigating him, or for embezzling funds from his own charity. Not to mention that he made it pretty clear that he was going to remain tied to his own private business interests even after winning the presidency - which shouldn't be surprising, from the way he used his political stage to plug his own business. He's about to embark upon a presidency that is highly illustrative of all the very good reasons for the customary presidential 'blind trust' - not to mention all the other formal rules about avoiding conflicts of interest.
I don't like the "he would have lost to literally anyone else" attitude. He beat all the other RNC candidates and the other DNC nominees had their faults too. If Bernie had won it would have been a year of anti-socialist nonsense that the people who can't think for themselves would have eaten up with the silver spoon provided by Trump.
I wasn't particularly a fan of Clinton and she most definitely wasn't without faults, but I can't take anyone seriously who thinks Trump was the better candidate for POTUS. She's not fit to be president because she's in with Wall Street, but the actual billionaire that has even greater ties with the wealthy is better?
Meh, people are dumb and the country deserves what's coming
My suggestion for Michelle Obama's 2020 campaign slogan:
Make America Smart Again
(Okay, yeah, that'd be a loser, I'll grant. People aint got no problem with their edumacations, and would rather continue to operate under the assumption that 'belief' is the same as 'knowledge', and that facts are entirely subjective. Sooner or later, somebody's going to have to reform America's education system without telling Americans that their education system needs reforming. And people wonder why career politicians have different positions publicly and privately.)
Liberals and Democrats tears make me happy. :) Hillary Clinton was a criminal and Trump is not. Hillary Clinton was bought and paid for by Wallstreet. Trump is rich enough he can't be bought by them. I voted for a Black educated man that was worth around 500k when he went into office named Obama. He is now worth excess of 20 million dollars and who knows how much in shadow corporations. He spent a million dollars of tax payers money to fly his dog to Hawaii because his daughters missed it. He spent 3 days a week golfing on tax payers dime almost year round. Moral of my story is a average man will be bought or pushed around. Trump is only alive today because he is worth billions of dollars. Imagine if a average man ran for office and talked about tariffs or government corruption. They would end up dead like the guy who leaked the emails from the DNC. Anyways keep the tears coming I enjoy them. :)
I beg to differ, but you're the exact type of person that lead to Trump's election (i.e. people that have no regard for actual facts), so I'm not going to waste my data explaining.
P.s. is she locked up yet?
I like the fact that you think you voted someone into office with the moral fiber of Pope Francis but if Trump just walked into the Oval Office with (just say) $15m purse, still closely tied with all of his international and domestic businesses, then there is no reason to believe that he will not try enrich himself directly with his Executive powers and the powers of the cabinet members.
Trump supporters like to bash Obama for over-using his powers but never want to acknowledge that it was all for the benefit of real Americans and not for something that directly affects him. Now that there is a real threat of abuse of Presidential powers to benefit only the President and his family...its suddenly OK (most likely because he is white since a black president trying to help people in need just looks like "welfare handouts")
It just goes to show everyone how fast an IQ can drop of those who stare at all the "conflicts of interests" shrug it off as wishful thinking.
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Trump just setteled his fraud case and has another case still in court. With him paying no taxes for god knows how long he is a criminal himself with your logic. Neither have a criminal record. Trump has always been sleezy and well known for it.
Trump apparently isn't rich enough. He took in over 12 million in campaign funds by raising the rates for the campaign to use his buildings like it was some inconvienience for him. These were not just minor rate hikes either. The man was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and was given the money to start his business. He has failed many times and has had 4 bankruptcies. His real networth is also very much in question as he has ties to many business ventures that owe debts to foregin banks. He makes much of his money defrauding people and through tabloid like fame.
Trump is no Bill Gates. Trump was a man born with everything and failed to do much with it. Trump is the late night infomercial that sold millions of us on his crap.
The tears of a nation will be bittersweet I fear. You like watching the world burn right?
Can you name 1 thing Trump will do? So far everthing he said he would do he has backtracked on. I really don't think you guys have a clue what he is going to do...
Last edited by Swirvin'Birds; 18-12-2016 at 05:14.
Probably not, actually. Even Trump's no longer making that claim. Listen to your hero for once - it played well during the election, but now you have to accept that it's a load of bull.
Highly questionable. At least *some* of the claims that Trump's committed sexual assault are pretty credible. Even if you don't believe the women, Trump himself has said it. Are you saying that he was LYING to Billy Bush? That your hero spouts untruths? (That's without going into a BUNCH of other ethically and legally dubious activities carried on by Trump, his charities, and various of his businesses.)
Yeah, probably.
Sort of true. When you actually ELECT the big money interests, it's kind of true to say that they can't be bought by themselves. The guy *has* his own corporate interests to look out for, and he's made no qualms about doing so.
That, too, is dubious. MOST of his stated networth is based on his own valuation of his 'name' - which, admittedly, varies based on his mood. You can't sell a name. You can't liquidate a name to pay off creditors - a fact he counts on, because while he's saying that he's worth many billions in the hopes that people will lend him money, his main 'asset' can't be collected upon.
Even in terms of his actual assets, though, there's reason to be highly doubtful. The nature of his business practices suggests constant cash flow issues - he pulls the "I can't afford to pay my contractors, so you'll have to take pennies on the dollar" card VERY frequently, even outside of the actual bankruptcies. And the failure and refusal to release his income tax returns, despite promising the year before starting his run that he would, suggests something to hide. Given that he *continued* to hide his tax returns even after one big secret - the guy pays less tax than you or I - was revealed, one can infer that whatever he was hiding is still hidden. One of the strong possibilities here is that he's actually not rich at all, but that his whole empire is a heavily leveraged house of cards.
It's not that he doesn't pay his taxes, he just doesn't owe any. The classifications of his assets cause it to get deferred indefinitely until he sells something. And even in that case he can either net the gains against other things to cancel it out or organize a like-kind exchange of assets with no immediate cash outflows.
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Perhaps legally he doesn't owe taxes on his assets but morally he should, and closing the loopholes in the taxcode is something that needs to be fixed, not that a wallstreet crony/insider like Trump would ever do that because it goes against his own interests.
That argument is like saying that "we're worried about subversive foreign influences" and then claiming that electing Vladimir Putin for president is the solution.
Last edited by Elldallan; 19-12-2016 at 09:02.
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Trump does that a lot, he claimed that he was going to "drain the swamp"... which he's now backing away from and looking at how he's nominating wallstreet and GOP insiders he's "draining the swamp" by filling it with raw sewage.
Trump also claims he isn't racist but looking back at his earlier career it's clear that he was sued on good grounds for some very racist practices. Also he chose bloody Steven Bannon for chief strategist. So at this point Trump claiming that he isn't racist is like the pope saying that he isn't, never was and no pope before him is/was catholic nor religious.
Yeah some of them sound pretty credible and I doubt those women will have any problems finding volunteers to help them bankroll the lawsuit should they be unable to do so themselves.
Last edited by Elldallan; 19-12-2016 at 13:13. Reason: bungled edit
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