Quote Originally Posted by octobrev View Post
Is it legal to war a kingdom you know you will beat? It seems to me the outcome is predetermined whether you message and agree to terms or not. How is warring a kingdom like WsK any different from arranging a farmwar functionally? They both achieve the same results regardless of intent.

A personal example of "legal" pre-determined outcome: I've always found it easier to war kingdoms that don't know they're about to be at war using players who are taking ages off to join and deliver buttons. I have taken comfort in the fact that this is a legal move since the monarch/kd in question are indeed clueless and no multi is used for delivery. I sincerely hope that I will not have to change my tactics under the new administration.
If you "know" you will beat them, then it's a fake war as the only way you can "know" that is if the outcome is pre-determined. If however you are very confident you will win based on knowing your ability and theirs (or their state of readiness / set up etc), then yes I believe that in itself is within the rules (obviously assuming that there are no other ways in which you are breaking the rules, such as having provs in both KDs!).

The legality of the method of getting into war that you describe is a separate point. Honestly I am not sure if that is against the rules, but I would say it is against the spirit of the rules and therefore illegal.

What I was talking about was an opposing KD making a free choice whether to war with your KD or not (albeit sometimes that "choice" gets made by a couple of provs unwittingly giving out buttons). What you are talking about is having a deal with other people inside that KD to give you the button.

ps I'll have to come back to the other recent posts here when I have more time :)