This relations system is so bad it should be changed mid age

[mordon44]

Title says it all. This game is never ending bottom feed wave and forced cf. Whoever though ops affecting hostile meter was a good idea should dig themselves a hole and die in it.

[octobrev]

[Pestilence]

Title says it all. This game is never ending bottom feed wave and forced cf. Whoever though ops affecting hostile meter was a good idea should dig themselves a hole and die in it.

Yeah it's bad unless you are at the top. There is now zero reason for a bigger KD to not hit down for free land.

[Madchess]

could be more diplomatic, but agree with the changes beeing bad.

[KuhaN]

Title says it all. This game is never ending bottom feed wave and forced cf. Whoever though ops affecting hostile meter was a good idea should dig themselves a hole and die in it.

Gotta just stay small and war other small people.

Funnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Shai]

Have to agree. I thought the whole point of the changes was to stop both a) smaller kds to refuse to cf and just sit back and op and slow down the aggressor kd for weeks even after the aggressor cant get any gains from them or b) bigger kds to keep hitting and bullying smaller kds for weeks.

With the forced CFs available for either kds the whole meter points from ops is pointless. A smaller kd being waved can force a 72h cf after 3 hours and an aggressor kd after 24h of no hits, effectively stopping any kd to drag out the conflict into absurdum.

So why then is meter points for ops needed?

[luke3]

Have to agree. I thought the whole point of the changes was to stop both a) smaller kds to refuse to cf and just sit back and op and slow down the aggressor kd for weeks even after the aggressor cant get any gains from them or b) bigger kds to keep hitting and bullying smaller kds for weeks.

With the forced CFs available for either kds the whole meter points from ops is pointless. A smaller kd being waved can force a 72h cf after 3 hours and an aggressor kd after 24h of no hits, effectively stopping any kd to drag out the conflict into absurdum.

So why then is meter points for ops needed?

The only flaw in your logic is that the aggressor kd won't have the option to CF unless the defender kd pushes the meter up, which they usually won't do? Unless I'm misunderstanding something here

[Shai]

The only flaw in your logic is that the aggressor kd won't have the option to CF unless the defender kd pushes the meter up, which they usually won't do? Unless I'm misunderstanding something here

- "An aggressor Kingdom can enter into a 72 hour unbreakable Cease-Fire with a defending Kingdom if the aggressor has not made military attacks for at least 24 ticks"

I interpret that as if you wave someone to hostile and they only retal to unfriendly or only do some ops to not give relations at all, you can enter a 72h cf if you hold attacks for 24h? I mean since either kd can declare if both are hostile it seems very dumb if both need to be hostile for the aggressor to be able to force cf

[DonJuan]

If you think of it that way:

If a defending KDs retals an aggressive KDs...the aggressive KD can just wave again before auto CFing (that is if people wanted to be dicks).

It would put pressure on the defending KD monarch to auto CF every incoming wave.

[khronosschoty]

Title says it all. This game is never ending bottom feed wave and forced cf. Whoever though ops affecting hostile meter was a good idea should dig themselves a hole and die in it.

Totally agree with this.

[flogger]

Try to win then. You play. To win. The game.

Having a game with only one or two people trying to win it is silly. Incentives for being on top are inherently good.

[FinalFantasyWorld]

Alternative option to CF. Declare up and win

[Madchess]

as if that was possible, people simply hit down 20% rather than go for someone in range. Most of the time the agressor in such a conflict don't even commit to trying to get a war since all they are after are a few free acres or books.

If you wave 20% smaller then you should not be entitled to a free cf and protection from ops.

[Persain]

Have to agree. I thought the whole point of the changes was to stop both a) smaller kds to refuse to cf and just sit back and op and slow down the aggressor kd for weeks even after the aggressor cant get any gains from them or b) bigger kds to keep hitting and bullying smaller kds for weeks.

With the forced CFs available for either kds the whole meter points from ops is pointless. A smaller kd being waved can force a 72h cf after 3 hours and an aggressor kd after 24h of no hits, effectively stopping any kd to drag out the conflict into absurdum.

So why then is meter points for ops needed?

because the whole system can be tweaked and the current place is a good starting point. lets say it goes to 24 and 72 before auto cf? then ops might even need to move the meter more than they do right now. Alternatively if it were to go to 3 and 12 for a 24 hour cf, maybe we move it down so that ops almost do nothing to the meter, and if u get pissed as the aggressor u should rewave. I repeat as far as i can tell the point was to move to a system that could be balanced going onwards and this age hasnt been THAT bad.

I'd point out that

Title says it all. This game is never ending bottom feed wave and forced cf. Whoever though ops affecting hostile meter was a good idea should dig themselves a hole and die in it.

my kd is in the bottom half of kds and we've had zero issues with constant botomfeeding for cfs and when looking around my size i see litteraly 75% of kds in war so i'd guess this system hasnt been that bad for kds who like to war.

[Erewhon]

Have to agree. I thought the whole point of the changes was to stop both a) smaller kds to refuse to cf and just sit back and op and slow down the aggressor kd for weeks even after the aggressor cant get any gains from them or b) bigger kds to keep hitting and bullying smaller kds for weeks.

With the forced CFs available for either kds the whole meter points from ops is pointless. A smaller kd being waved can force a 72h cf after 3 hours and an aggressor kd after 24h of no hits, effectively stopping any kd to drag out the conflict into absurdum.

So why then is meter points for ops needed?

I agree there, the forced CF system makes it unnecessary.