FS vs ED: FS brings in out of hostile help?

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Originally Posted by citadela01

We were not aware of any offer on the table apart from initial one at the time we "proclaimed" we were no longer hostile to ED. If we did know eowcf was available we would jump at it instantly.

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Every kd with knowledge of this game should be aware that you simply can't accept a blank cf. It's common tactic to accept cf and then break it at first opportunity to vulture. Considering all the grudge between FS-ED last age taking a blank cf was out of question. FS would wait until ED entered a war, explore like mad and then vulture ED oow.
ED said they wouldn't accept a blank cf. ED said they would keep hitting until a deal was struck.

Of course FS were aware of all this. The moment FS offered that blank CF everything was already planned. FS would declare themselves not hostile, cease hits a few hours. Pyro waves. FS resume hitting after pyro wave and claim ED kept hitting them making hostile valid again.

To be honest I felt this kind of play coming the moment FS claimed themselves being not hostile. (Conveniently as soon as they reached max meter and couldn't retal efficiently anymore).

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Originally Posted by zmasternr1

Every kd with knowledge of this game should be aware that you simply can't accept a blank cf. It's common tactic to accept cf and then break it at first opportunity to vulture. Considering all the grudge between FS-ED last age taking a blank cf was out of question. FS would wait until ED entered a war, explore like mad and then vulture ED oow.
ED said they wouldn't accept a blank cf. ED said they would keep hitting until a deal was struck.

Of course FS were aware of all this. The moment FS offered that blank CF everything was already planned. FS would declare themselves not hostile, cease hits a few hours. Pyro waves. FS resume hitting after pyro wave and claim ED kept hitting them making hostile valid again.

To be honest I felt this kind of play coming the moment FS claimed themselves being not hostile. (Conveniently as soon as they reached max meter and couldn't retal efficiently anymore).

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citadela01's crusade is geting tedious :P

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I dont care what forum trolls, but I do care what you think.

We were not aware of any offer on the table apart from initial one at the time we "proclaimed" we were no longer hostile to ED. If we did know eowcf was available we would jump at it instantly.

I dont get involved in KD running these days and dont make decisions, but I still have acces to information, you have my word on this.

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So, going forward, any kd that finds themselves in a hostile situation with a Feyr Play kd they deem unfavorable, they only need to come to the forums and "proclaim" that its over. Useful information, thanks!

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Originally Posted by zmasternr1

Every kd with knowledge of this game should be aware that you simply can't accept a blank cf. It's common tactic to accept cf and then break it at first opportunity to vulture. Considering all the grudge between FS-ED last age taking a blank cf was out of question. FS would wait until ED entered a war, explore like mad and then vulture ED oow.
ED said they wouldn't accept a blank cf. ED said they would keep hitting until a deal was struck.

Of course FS were aware of all this. The moment FS offered that blank CF everything was already planned. FS would declare themselves not hostile, cease hits a few hours. Pyro waves. FS resume hitting after pyro wave and claim ED kept hitting them making hostile valid again.

To be honest I felt this kind of play coming the moment FS claimed themselves being not hostile. (Conveniently as soon as they reached max meter and couldn't retal efficiently anymore).

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Than why not give us way out on time, we bent over and you took a ****load of land and honor. We didnt even qq'ed about beeing vultured. You got hefty payback, I dont know exact timeline on said msg sent but afaik you took you friggin time between us throwin a towel and you makin an offer thru pm'ing sat province. You coulda come to us directly. We had no idea.

If you dont belive us belive in logic, even if tinfoil hat theory is true and we were only out to **** you wouldnt it make more sense to take cf so Pyro could than wave you w/o you having open relations ?
If we werent rdy to give you what you were coming for and wanted to powerplay you wouldnt we sent someone to block for us when we were coming oow from emeriti ? If we wanted to we could have explored away in peace while someone else was pounding ED and turn tables on you.
Theory you insist on where FS is some evil gb'in entity just doesnt make sense.

ED didnt know when to stop, they never ****ing know when to stop.

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Originally Posted by Judge

citadela01's crusade is geting tedious :P

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Last time you talked to me you attempted to explain to me how you can call me anything and it is not insult as long as it is not truth, so if I complain iam addmiting to it.

I approve of you simply rehashing my statement like that, given quality of your previous posts and random coments about our gb'in nature littered all over these boards this is safe bet for you to make some sense.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I dont care what forum trolls, but I do care what you think

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That hurts :(

Word on the grapevine is zap joined the Feyr Play Alliance and now leads it.

Discuss.

I want to be the puppet leader.

My motto:

All is fair in love and war, but not in CF.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

Last time you talked to me you attempted to explain to me how you can call me anything and it is not insult as long as it is not truth, so if I complain iam addmiting to it.

I approve of you simply rehashing my statement like that, given quality of your previous posts and random coments about our gb'in nature littered all over these boards this is safe bet for you to make some sense.

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Lol. Like seriously you are an insult to FS!

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Than why not give us way out on time, we bent over and you took a ****load of land and honor. We didnt even qq'ed about beeing vultured. You got hefty payback, I dont know exact timeline on said msg sent but afaik you took you friggin time between us throwin a towel and you makin an offer thru pm'ing sat province. You coulda come to us directly. We had no idea.

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There was a way out, just cause you didnt like the way out doesnt mean it doesnt exist. This seems to happen often with you, you claim there wasnt this or that just cause you dont like whats on the table.

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ED didnt know when to stop, they never ****ing know when to stop.

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This is rich coming from someone that kept hitting a kd for what 2 weeks? Compared to how many days was this?

How much more of truth bending will you guys try to do?
ED wanted a way out, just look in the "Some fite is for honor: Foxicorn's unifrogs vs FEYR TALES" thread. Helluva said we will give you guys a much less taxing CF so both kingdoms could move on.

But you didn't want to accept it as you knew Pyro was coming after us and you very much liked the idea of a double hostile.

FS is like that one. They jumped on ppl can . Ppl jump on them, they she'd tear and cry for help.

Plus their whole kingdom active in utopia forum, u cannot argue one . Black also become white. Plus the backing of the alliance which bombidigie has said, who stand in the way shall get destroyed. My advice, chose ur side wisely.
When anyone wanna wave them, FS decided no war, u better counter offer,ok ok--no issue: I will offer u a cf, give u back a full wave then u accept. Feyrplay. Tolong. U don't have to bring in pyro

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Originally Posted by Dowla1337

How much more of truth bending will you guys try to do?
ED wanted a way out, just look in the "Some fite is for honor: Foxicorn's unifrogs vs FEYR TALES" thread. Helluva said we will give you guys a much less taxing CF so both kingdoms could move on.

But you didn't want to accept it as you knew Pyro was coming after us and you very much liked the idea of a double hostile.

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I dont know what Francis thought of his inforums offer, I belived it to be stalling tactic personally, especially since it implied you will still want something in return for cf.

Again, wouldnt we take free cf if we knew it was on the table and Pyro wanted to wave you?
It would pretty much be carte blanche for them to do whatever they want.

i believe the chronology of events are pretty simple. Idk what the whole fuss is about.

last age: ED offered war, FS had to switch from pump builds rather abruptly to prepare (some are way under drafted), so FS dragged hostile to prep, ED backed down once FS was prepared. ED offered CF out of the blue with no terms. FS hammered them for backing down.

This age: FS came OOW under pumped. ED waved 2 ticks OOW. FS hits back to retain as much land as possible while waiting for an agreement to be reached. ED offered some 3 waves + 1 learn wave (which anyone can see is a ridiculous term). FS offered CF and backed down, while ED waves. Pyro waves ED 17hrs later. ED comes crying in the forums saying their army hasnt returned from waving FS.

When did FS jump on anyone? ED came to FS last age. They jumped on FS this age. If there was any 'jumping' being done, its by ED.

Seven-Zark-Seven, is that you?

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Originally Posted by silverfox

Brief timeline of events

(Goes on to post an essay)

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you pulling a CJ there silverfox? :P

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Originally Posted by Helluva

You couldn't be more wrong. You see, dealbreak is seen as a very serious issue and agreements are the only thing keeping people's CF in place. Without it, we could all just break CF/NAP whenever it was advantageous to do so. As part of ED leadership we could never just in-game CF FS and move on without a former agreement/deal. Doing so would've just been met with reprisal later on when it would be most advantageous for FS to do so. We needed to establish terms. By the last hours of the conflict, near the end, I had become weary of our positioning (i've seen the FS stall tactic done before) I sent Ahlene (who was being sat by Yume) an ingame msg saying we'd accept the CF after they agree to an EoACF. After all, we didn't want to keep looking over our shoulder for the remaining month of the age and by that point you could smell the BS in the air.

a few times in my n00ber years I made the mistake of not getting agreements and the exact same BS play went down. Opponent KD sends CF in game and refuses to negotiate after refusing to war. We take CF and they break it weeks later and go "serves u right for waving us!"

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I've done this as a solo province. Yes ignorant, but subject to the full force of an occupied kingdom. We were exchanging attacks. I hovered over their t/ms(who I wouldn't hit anyway out of curtesy) and I offered to put a CF on the table. They stalled.

I pointed out my concessions were out of gamesmanship. I couldn't possibly be concerned about my own well being if I was soloing in a shell by choice for a full age. I also pointed out my army would attack as soon as it got home. I offered the CF with no conditions. They accepted.

There's no reputation big enough to spare a solo province. I sought no CFs as a challenge, unless attacks were exchanged and the enemy offered: that ideal held up till the CF discussed above. I had several kingdoms that would march against me on and off through the age. I was hammered and offered nothing. I made sure I always took more than I lost.*

My point is you can CF kingdoms that are neutral and/or friendly just so you aren't accidentally randomed. Your enemies should be on call 24/7. This eliminates clear pump dynamics. You have to be the better kingdom on your feet.

I have a trite saying when asked if I'm ready: I'm never ready, always ready to go.

I'm the worst province builder you may ever meet so I'm not saying this from a formidable position, but from a humble one. If you enjoy diplo then the arguments should induce joy as well. The challenge of clever diplo? I get it.

Why was this a 34-page thread? Didn't FS stop retalling for a while with a CF offer open to ED?
Clearly at some point that stops being a hostile...?

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Originally Posted by tetley

Why was this a 34-page thread? Didn't FS stop retalling for a while with a CF offer open to ED?
Clearly at some point that stops being a hostile...?

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I guess you didnt read any of the 34 pages wherein a lot was discussed

i.e. the fact diplo doesn't end at in game mechanics
i.e. I sent an offer of eoacf in exchange for in game cf - they read but never replied. etc etc.

In fact I read the whole thread lol

such is utopia. coming to forums to whine when ppl whack you. want to do something about it? then do it in game. gather your allies to get revenge or something.