Sparta hitting on CD

Fire can and will kill a Targaryen. Magic can be used to protect someone from fire, which was used in Valyria (most likely) and when Dany survived Drogo's funeral pyre...but get on topic please lol

Also, she is called "stormborn" because she was born during a storm. It's not a family title or anything. More like a nickname lol

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Originally Posted by Palem

Fire can and will kill a Targaryen. Magic can be used to protect someone from fire, which was used in Valyria (most likely) and when Dany survived Drogo's funeral pyre...but get on topic please lol

Also, she is called "stormborn" because she was born during a storm. It's not a family title or anything. More like a nickname lol

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Why bother correcting him? He's obviously got no idea what he is talking about.

I think this needs to be a three way no holds barred between Panthira, Zulu and Bart.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

I think this needs to be a three way no holds barred between Panthira, Zulu and Bart.

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This could be extremely interesting... If I was playing, Id prolly hold barts hand, skip with him, and clothes line panthira :-p

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Originally Posted by Shai

There is no rule book. Anyone can have their own view on this. Usually a rule of thumb many used back when the game still matterd was 12h of no retaliations from one side (this have been discussed lots of times in these forums, Im supriced they all evaded a forum warrior like you). Basically the time it took to get armies back home. I got waved plenty of times just 3-4h after waving another kd with the words "we asked the kd you waved, they arent gonna war you or retal so there is no hostile" without there being any alliance interfeerence (because we usually handled the problem ourselves anyway). So I guess back then for many simply no intent of fighting back was enough to make it not a hostile.

I have no clue what people use these days? Maybe Palems "its over when I say its over"? But size got little to do with whether its a hostile or not. Any kd who actively fights back is making it an active hostile (thus why so many use the word active hostile when they mean a legit hostile). So if someone is inactive in a hostile and not fighting back maybe its one sided and not a real hostile then?

If you wanna discuss this current case then I would say when one kd hit 30% of the other kds size, cant hit back a single province, havent hit back for over a day and the other kd are exploring half their provinces peacefully at no risk, then the hostile is over.

ps im off to bed now so wont repsond for some time :) ds

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I believe people have in the recent past have used not closing relations as the ability to hit into others hostile or war. In this case that would be CD hitting or OPing Sparta once they go hostile with another top kd, and it being justified because Sparta didnt close relations. The fact that Pant is refusing a CF now and making what I perceive to be threatening remarks regarding 17 RL days of ops meter to come, means that this is still an active hostile until BOTH sides say it isn't. I understand the free wave anti hostile policy but that would be null and void if there was an active hostile going on, IE if 2 kds are hitting back an forth one not hitting for 12 hours doesn't mean it isn't a hostile.

As for exploring cows/calfs while "hostile" I have to again go back to the recent precedence of Pyro vs Divinity where it lasted weeks if not months, and pyro explored during it and was way bigger than divinity. I think Pyro even paid taxes to other kds while being "hostile" with divinity. I'm not sure there is a more recent example that would counter or confirm this since I took some time off from my forum warrior sparring.

Sleep tight don't let the bed bugs bite >:|

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Lies BoH, she was protected too when all the leaders burned when she was on trial for being a witch, she set the fire and she was only 1 walking out and getting on the horse to lead the army.

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You missed the part about the show runners taking liberties to make the story telling easier for the show than the books. If you want we can go to General or whatever other dark spot of the forums this topic would fit into, but I fear leaving the bright lights of Uto talk most the time.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Why bother correcting him? He's obviously got no idea what he is talking about.

I think this needs to be a three way no holds barred between Panthira, Zulu and Bart.

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I volunteer to commentate at the desk, I'll even go buy a stupid cowboy hat.

I know that Palem, and Stormborn was just to refer to Dany seeing she's the only 1 left..

What i meant was that she survived the fire when Drogo was burned and she brought the dragon eggs in, but she also survived when she went to the Khal's meeting in the last season, and all the Khal's burned and she walked out of the burned out hall to be the new leader of the "Dothraki" no? Or am i wrong in saying that is twice she has survived fire and only 1 was by Magic.


On the subject of exploring when hostile, does that mean it only count as a hostile if its not Cows exploring? If that is not the case and you guys mean all exploring, let me just say FS has hardly ever had a legit hostile then.... they explore TMs up during hostile...

Im not saying that to have a go at FS but to show a point where exploring in my opinion is fair, are we to start counting that as not being legit? so we can no longer explore any TM or have any none TradM acres added during hostile? lol get real...

We are fighting a losing war, and we know it. It's no threat that we have a 17 day irl meter on Bart and Co. It's a promise.

ETA: Oh, it's also a game mechanic.

I like your style.

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Originally Posted by Panthira

We are fighting a losing war, and we know it. It's no threat that we have a 17 day irl meter on Bart and Co. It's a promise.

ETA: Oh, it's also a game mechanic.

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Then it is clear you are still hostile, sorry Shai.


@Aranfein read my post please

@Pillz there is a big difference between your kd goals and hers though. Honestly it is like the reverse since Bart had no goal as far as charting or warring, just going back to classic spartan chit play so he would be the RoO hes just bigger than DD ;)

I know its a shock to people but at one point bottom feeding was never considered a true hostile back in the day. Also when the game first started a kingdom like Spartans would have been destroyed for there antics just for the simple fact there bad for the game. Because again once upon a time players of the game gave a damn about the game. Invite system and new pk mechanic has stopped such policing of kingdoms such as Spartans.

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

I know that Palem, and Stormborn was just to refer to Dany seeing she's the only 1 left..

What i meant was that she survived the fire when Drogo was burned and she brought the dragon eggs in, but she also survived when she went to the Khal's meeting in the last season, and all the Khal's burned and she walked out of the burned out hall to be the new leader of the "Dothraki" no? Or am i wrong in saying that is twice she has survived fire and only 1 was by Magic.

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I'm not caught up with the show, but it sounds like the show writers have misused the story to tell a simpler version for television.

The TV show has diverged so much that it can't really be considered canon anymore. If the person that writes the stories and created the world says "that's not how that works", then that's not how that works lol

But really, any further asoiaf discussion should be directed to general talk

I like your style Palem & BoH, but while the books are amazing i believe more people are watching the TV series then there has been reading the book, you are correct though that its an easier way out to write for the viewer by simplifying it. - No more from me on this talk i promise ;)

handofthrawn, that is true unfortunately noone has time for setting up things to deal with such KDs on a larger and more time consuming scale, it is far easier to ignore to they start crossing you... (mind you i said this 4/5 ages ago when certain KDs first appeared to play the loophole antics when both KDs clearly knew what was agreed, not since a few Abs/and couple others has KDs been so willing to use any excuse to ****play).

I asked for help doing 2 DBs now in last 5 ages and not a single time has assistance been given, not that i can blame anyone individually but it is the main attitude in the game, people will rather ignore and get on with their own little bubble then assist with ****play, unless it has a direct interference with their own goals.. Only BB have i seen step in often whether it be help on mediate or brute force to no gain of their own (they might have had motives ofc but not for their own KDs charting).

pic of pan crying from all her self caused ****

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

I know its a shock to people but at one point bottom feeding was never considered a true hostile back in the day. Also when the game first started a kingdom like Spartans would have been destroyed for there antics just for the simple fact there bad for the game. Because again once upon a time players of the game gave a damn about the game. Invite system and new pk mechanic has stopped such policing of kingdoms such as Spartans.

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What makes you think that Sparta doesn't have a role to play in the power-struggle of the top kingdoms ? Personally I like having Sparta here at their current size. They're a pretty good filter layer against satellite KDs which could have allowed more **** play and be more disruptive than good. If you look at the charts now (as of today) I think you can agree that anyone above Sparta is pretty much 'competing' and those below them are 'not'.

I have no problems with them beating down other KDs to prevent warring KDs from suddenly getting too big and come into range to get significantly taxed by the top as I myself do not part-take in the practice of taxing warring KD for CF because I've been on the ghetto side and getting asked for uncontested acres is just gay as hell. Also, I do not think any growth KD would want to tax Sparta because of the potential FSU.

1) Prevent other KDs from coming into range to get taxed
2) Doesn't get taxed themselves
3) Encourage growth KD to compete by conflict once whorable acres dried out on the server
4) If Sparta sees an opportunity to go for the crown I am sure they will do it, but by then they'll be playing on the same field the others competing are; no more free CFs to hide behind and I welcome more competition any day.

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Originally Posted by astron

What makes you think that Sparta doesn't have a role to play in the power-struggle of the top kingdoms ? Personally I like having Sparta here at their current size. They're a pretty good filter layer against satellite KDs which could have allowed more **** play and be more disruptive than good. If you look at the charts now (as of today) I think you can agree that anyone above Sparta is pretty much 'competing' and those below them are 'not'.

I have no problems with them beating down other KDs to prevent warring KDs from suddenly getting too big and come into range to get significantly taxed by the top as I myself do not part-take in the practice of taxing warring KD for CF because I've been on the ghetto side and getting asked for uncontested acres is just gay as hell. Also, I do not think any growth KD would want to tax Sparta because of the potential FSU.

1) Prevent other KDs from coming into range to get taxed
2) Doesn't get taxed themselves
3) Encourage growth KD to compete by conflict once whorable acres dried out on the server
4) If Sparta sees an opportunity to go for the crown I am sure they will do it, but by then they'll be playing on the same field the others competing are; no more free CFs to hide behind and I welcome more competition any day.

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I don't care about the land crown or top land competition. I am talking about the cheating, the abusive way they treat others and general just bs Bart puts out. In the old days there kingdom would be razed killed for this behavior. I understand your friendly with Bart but the dude is an a** to alot of people. I know 3 kingdoms besides myself right now that would dedicate there entire age to raze kill and disburse Spartans if they could. But with game mechanics the way they are would just restart green and continue there cheating. Abusive ways.

Lets throw a curveball into the mix... If sparta is still greening CD in a few weeks, Ill go play with bart to join in on the fun :-D