Sparta hitting on CD

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Originally Posted by Mike^

Shai could you msg me on mirc i like to get more information about how the TAXING was done from sparta, they are atm asking us for CF and will ofc have to resive the same response as they give others.
its only fair.

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I dont use IRC anymore but Bart asked for 10% land, 2.5k acres. Not an unresonable demand but our hands were tied from other deals so we couldnt give them free land at the time. Neither did Panthira want too. Then I approached him again after they waved us into fort asking if he would settle with the land he took in the initial wave. Now he claimed we blanket MS them, even if it was just 5 MS on 5 smaller humans, and the price had now gone up (didnt say how much thou). We then started retal warring them. About 4 days later after they had taken alot of land and made one player quit I contacted Bart again and said the madness should stop and we should CF before things got too infected, but then he said that "Any CF terms now would be so severe that your KD will no doubt refuse them" making it clear he wasnt really interested in a CF. Another 2 days later I tried messaging Bart again but then he made it clear Panthira should be the one contacting him, not me.

Im not sure if any other CF offers were made by Bart to Panthira in between all of this. Im not even on slack alot these days.

In retrospect we should of course just had given them the 2.5k land. I was under the impression Bart would be resonable even if there was some fighting before final CF talks. He was also very polite and not hard to talk to ingame before the fighting started, but its pretty clear there is alot of anger vs Panthira burried deep down there and he doesnt mind trashing a kd for 2 weeks over 2.5k acres. Had I known there was so much bitter hate there I would have tried to convince Panthira to just give him 2.5k land :P

Your kd doesnt really have to worry thou, he is far to busy razing us, even into war and eventually his CFs will expire. The other top kds will only let him sit there and explore freely protected by a fake hostile for so long. Eventually the race for Spartan acres will start. BB getting the PI slice have already put pressure on the other 3.

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Shai i believe you are misunderstanding.

Its legit hostile Sparta vs CD, however when CD decide to keep meter high + random out, CD cannot complain that hits are coming in from the outside, that doesn't make the hostile any less legit/active, it just means now CD has to deal with hits from the outside because they put themselves in a position where they themselves don't respect that they are hostile.

If Sparta starts randoming out, then yes Sparta is a legit target too for randoms in, but as far as i know Sparta are not randoming elsewhere.

CD can keep their hostile tag but then they should honour it themselves and not hit out..

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It was a legit hostile for a long time. Outsiders had nothing to do with it. But when one of the kds have dropped from being 50% of the other kds size to like 30%, unresonable CF tems noone can possible accept have been made, and the kd arent hitting back anymore and the other kd is just razing to be spiteful while exploring its t/ms and some potential cows (I see this as the same as randoming btw), its a pretty one sided hostile.

Otherwise any kd with an expiring CF could just start waving a kd half their size, present CF terms the other kd couldnt possible accept (like 40-45% land for CF) and then just explore and be protected by said "hostile".

At some point the hostile ends in my book when only one kd is fighting. Others might view it differently and it is within their right to be wrong :)


On the other hand. If Sparta presented a resonable CF offer, like something back for the excessive razing and the pked provinces, a notice period and a long duration CF (like year 10 or 12) so CD doesnt risk being powerplayed in a few weeks again and CD still refuse to CF to keep meter points on Sparta as a threat. Then I would agree Sparta have the right to take whatever steps they need to take to get a CF and close down the meter. I do however believe razing into war is over the top here. They could just wait for the war to be over to resume razing and force the CF.

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Originally Posted by Panthira

I would take on a debate. We are at war, correct.

We have declared WAR on Draft Punks!

You have our terms, Bart. Every day those go up. You have 30 minutes to decide, which is longer than you gave us for your "Free CF".

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Clear FW!!! RAZE INTO WAR!!!

I say thank you for info, will be put to good use.

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Originally Posted by Panthira

My kingdom needs something to do, other than getting beat on by Sparta. It's lame as sh*t what they are doing. Plus inviting others to hit, calling me a multi, making preposterous demands of a kingdom that got into the top ten only by WW, and isn't competing for rank. I love how the Utopian community blames me for this. Bart has you all eating right out of his hands. Yummy? Bart treats for his pets.
Aranfein, my turn to warn you. Don't get too cozy with him. We care for Fluffy, and feel a lot of remorse for hurting your kd 2 ages ago, but you never saw that on WA, as it shows messages unread. I do not feel bad for Zulu though. ;)
We're buds now anyway. Huh, Zulu? (bait)

spartan of megatron (Bartans) invaded The Queen is Here (CivilD) and captured 42 acres of land

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EL OH EL.... Bish... you cray cray!

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Originally Posted by Mike^

I say thank you for info, will be put to good use.

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If anything you now know what they deem acceptable behaviour.

It's nice to see TFC's MAD tactics being used. Although jumping into war was a mistake. I recommend resetting dead provinces into Avian and Elf to maximize your FB'ing and razing potential.

Did CD actually have any terms that they would agree to a CF for?

@Bart stop calling it a free CF. It's not free and you gain something you want by CF'ing. It comes off as dickish and that's not the attitude that's gonna get you a cf

I vote in favor of Podcast - Panthira vs Bart

Also, I'm still not sure on the whole Hostile thing here.
Is it true that CD asked Sparta for CF at the very start before any hits?
Is it also true that Sparta offered CF in those initial talks for a set amount of land, i.e. some % of CDs then current land?
Is it true that CD refused giving away land for CF with Sparta?
Is it true that Sparta then waved CD to force them to accept the CF terms, which included free unretalled hits, i.e. free land for CF?
Is it true that CD refused to give additional free acres for CF?
Is it true that Sparta continued to hit CD demanding higher and higher land for a CF?
Is it also true that CD was retalling hits on Sparta and hitting other kds?

If these circumstances are true, does it constitute a mutual hostile if the kingdom receiving the wave (CD) randoms out each real day (hitting multiple diff kds each day I'm told)?

Also, can someone please explain the rule that requires a kingdom being waved to accept a CF to close out relations with the aggressor kd?

In my view, it appears that Spartans took an initiative against CD with the expectation that they(CD) needed a CF from them(Spartans) and would do anything to get it. It seems clear that CD didn't need a CF from Spartans and are willing to ignore the beatings that Spartans are dishing out to move on with their own age.
Honestly, I don't see the justification Spartans has to hit into CD's current war now.
Correct me if I am wrong, because I certainly don't claim to be right, but it looks like it breaks down pretty simply to this:
CD asked Sparta for CF
Sparta asked for land for CF
CD refused
Sparta hits CD
CD retals Sparta and randoms other kds
Sparta continues to push demands for CF
CD continues to decline CF terms, and make random grabs
CD goes to war

Was it ever a 1v1 conflict? (I am ignoring Fort stance of CD because you can't expect a kd in Fort to be random'ing out of fort)
If it was never a 1v1 conflict, where's the justification for the aggressor to follow the other kd into a war?

Pan... Where to start. Ok number 1. Don't be dumb. What I don't get is that you get waved, refuse CF, and demand acres back. Dumb. Even im not that dumb. 17 days...17 days youre eating hits lol. Fake tagging hostile, another dumb move and then you try and hide behind it. Everything you have done this age, and past 2, is coming back to haunt you now. What you should have done was accept the CF then hit Sparta back, even if you DB Bart(like me last age) and hit him when it would hurt the most. Strategy was never your forte. As for you finishing "Top 10". I was in your slack channel with Bart. I saw what was really going on. Hiding behind all the lies is all you do. Typical...

As for Bart. Me and Bart don't see eye to eye on damn near everything. With that being said, what he is doing I believe he is 100% within his rights. You screwed the pooch on this one Pan! You should just suck it up and walk away with what little pride if any you have left.

@ hawk

Using a war to dodge a conflict has never been a socially acceptable tactic. If we're fighting and you get into a fight with someone else, it's not my fault you've picked a fight with 2 people. We're done when we agree to be done.

@Shai
At what size difference is it not a hostile anymore? And how long between one kd retaliating (While still not cfing and keeping hostile meter) for the hostile to be no longer there? I didn't realize there were clearly defined rules on this, I was more under the impression of what Palem said "We're done when we agree to be done" I didn't know one side could say hey this hostile is over. The only way I know that to be the case would be if all 25 provinces delete or defect leaving a 0 prov kingdom (a clearly defined 0, anything > 0 being still hostile)

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

@Shai
At what size difference is it not a hostile anymore? And how long between one kd retaliating (While still not cfing and keeping hostile meter) for the hostile to be no longer there? I didn't realize there were clearly defined rules on this, I was more under the impression of what Palem said "We're done when we agree to be done" I didn't know one side could say hey this hostile is over. The only way I know that to be the case would be if all 25 provinces delete or defect leaving a 0 prov kingdom (a clearly defined 0, anything > 0 being still hostile)

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There is no rule book. Anyone can have their own view on this. Usually a rule of thumb many used back when the game still matterd was 12h of no retaliations from one side (this have been discussed lots of times in these forums, Im supriced they all evaded a forum warrior like you). Basically the time it took to get armies back home. I got waved plenty of times just 3-4h after waving another kd with the words "we asked the kd you waved, they arent gonna war you or retal so there is no hostile" without there being any alliance interfeerence (because we usually handled the problem ourselves anyway). So I guess back then for many simply no intent of fighting back was enough to make it not a hostile.

I have no clue what people use these days? Maybe Palems "its over when I say its over"? But size got little to do with whether its a hostile or not. Any kd who actively fights back is making it an active hostile (thus why so many use the word active hostile when they mean a legit hostile). So if someone is inactive in a hostile and not fighting back maybe its one sided and not a real hostile then?

If you wanna discuss this current case then I would say when one kd hit 30% of the other kds size, cant hit back a single province, havent hit back for over a day and the other kd are exploring half their provinces peacefully at no risk, then the hostile is over.

ps im off to bed now so wont repsond for some time :) ds

double post...

I'd say exploring tm/calfs while other kd isnt fighting back constitutes dodge.

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Originally Posted by citadela01

I'd say exploring tm/calfs while other kd isnt fighting back constitutes dodge.

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Yeah there have been cases before when one kd was claiming hostile and others deemed it not a hostile simply cause they were exploring up provinces in peace enjoying some sort of total protection both from people outside the hostile, and inside the hostile (cause the kd they claimed to be hostile with couldnt touch them at all).

Lies BoH, she was protected too when all the leaders burned when she was on trial for being a witch, she set the fire and she was only 1 walking out and getting on the horse to lead the army.

Fire can and will kill a Targaryen. Magic can be used to protect someone from fire, which was used in Valyria (most likely) and when Dany survived Drogo's funeral pyre...but get on topic please lol

Also, she is called "stormborn" because she was born during a storm. It's not a family title or anything. More like a nickname lol

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Originally Posted by Palem

Fire can and will kill a Targaryen. Magic can be used to protect someone from fire, which was used in Valyria (most likely) and when Dany survived Drogo's funeral pyre...but get on topic please lol

Also, she is called "stormborn" because she was born during a storm. It's not a family title or anything. More like a nickname lol

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Why bother correcting him? He's obviously got no idea what he is talking about.

I think this needs to be a three way no holds barred between Panthira, Zulu and Bart.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

I think this needs to be a three way no holds barred between Panthira, Zulu and Bart.

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This could be extremely interesting... If I was playing, Id prolly hold barts hand, skip with him, and clothes line panthira :-p

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Originally Posted by Shai

There is no rule book. Anyone can have their own view on this. Usually a rule of thumb many used back when the game still matterd was 12h of no retaliations from one side (this have been discussed lots of times in these forums, Im supriced they all evaded a forum warrior like you). Basically the time it took to get armies back home. I got waved plenty of times just 3-4h after waving another kd with the words "we asked the kd you waved, they arent gonna war you or retal so there is no hostile" without there being any alliance interfeerence (because we usually handled the problem ourselves anyway). So I guess back then for many simply no intent of fighting back was enough to make it not a hostile.

I have no clue what people use these days? Maybe Palems "its over when I say its over"? But size got little to do with whether its a hostile or not. Any kd who actively fights back is making it an active hostile (thus why so many use the word active hostile when they mean a legit hostile). So if someone is inactive in a hostile and not fighting back maybe its one sided and not a real hostile then?

If you wanna discuss this current case then I would say when one kd hit 30% of the other kds size, cant hit back a single province, havent hit back for over a day and the other kd are exploring half their provinces peacefully at no risk, then the hostile is over.

ps im off to bed now so wont repsond for some time :) ds

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I believe people have in the recent past have used not closing relations as the ability to hit into others hostile or war. In this case that would be CD hitting or OPing Sparta once they go hostile with another top kd, and it being justified because Sparta didnt close relations. The fact that Pant is refusing a CF now and making what I perceive to be threatening remarks regarding 17 RL days of ops meter to come, means that this is still an active hostile until BOTH sides say it isn't. I understand the free wave anti hostile policy but that would be null and void if there was an active hostile going on, IE if 2 kds are hitting back an forth one not hitting for 12 hours doesn't mean it isn't a hostile.

As for exploring cows/calfs while "hostile" I have to again go back to the recent precedence of Pyro vs Divinity where it lasted weeks if not months, and pyro explored during it and was way bigger than divinity. I think Pyro even paid taxes to other kds while being "hostile" with divinity. I'm not sure there is a more recent example that would counter or confirm this since I took some time off from my forum warrior sparring.

Sleep tight don't let the bed bugs bite >:|

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

Lies BoH, she was protected too when all the leaders burned when she was on trial for being a witch, she set the fire and she was only 1 walking out and getting on the horse to lead the army.

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You missed the part about the show runners taking liberties to make the story telling easier for the show than the books. If you want we can go to General or whatever other dark spot of the forums this topic would fit into, but I fear leaving the bright lights of Uto talk most the time.

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Originally Posted by Pillz

Why bother correcting him? He's obviously got no idea what he is talking about.

I think this needs to be a three way no holds barred between Panthira, Zulu and Bart.

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I volunteer to commentate at the desk, I'll even go buy a stupid cowboy hat.

I know that Palem, and Stormborn was just to refer to Dany seeing she's the only 1 left..

What i meant was that she survived the fire when Drogo was burned and she brought the dragon eggs in, but she also survived when she went to the Khal's meeting in the last season, and all the Khal's burned and she walked out of the burned out hall to be the new leader of the "Dothraki" no? Or am i wrong in saying that is twice she has survived fire and only 1 was by Magic.


On the subject of exploring when hostile, does that mean it only count as a hostile if its not Cows exploring? If that is not the case and you guys mean all exploring, let me just say FS has hardly ever had a legit hostile then.... they explore TMs up during hostile...

Im not saying that to have a go at FS but to show a point where exploring in my opinion is fair, are we to start counting that as not being legit? so we can no longer explore any TM or have any none TradM acres added during hostile? lol get real...

We are fighting a losing war, and we know it. It's no threat that we have a 17 day irl meter on Bart and Co. It's a promise.

ETA: Oh, it's also a game mechanic.

I like your style.

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Originally Posted by Panthira

We are fighting a losing war, and we know it. It's no threat that we have a 17 day irl meter on Bart and Co. It's a promise.

ETA: Oh, it's also a game mechanic.

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Then it is clear you are still hostile, sorry Shai.


@Aranfein read my post please

@Pillz there is a big difference between your kd goals and hers though. Honestly it is like the reverse since Bart had no goal as far as charting or warring, just going back to classic spartan chit play so he would be the RoO hes just bigger than DD ;)

I know its a shock to people but at one point bottom feeding was never considered a true hostile back in the day. Also when the game first started a kingdom like Spartans would have been destroyed for there antics just for the simple fact there bad for the game. Because again once upon a time players of the game gave a damn about the game. Invite system and new pk mechanic has stopped such policing of kingdoms such as Spartans.

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Originally Posted by Aranfein

I know that Palem, and Stormborn was just to refer to Dany seeing she's the only 1 left..

What i meant was that she survived the fire when Drogo was burned and she brought the dragon eggs in, but she also survived when she went to the Khal's meeting in the last season, and all the Khal's burned and she walked out of the burned out hall to be the new leader of the "Dothraki" no? Or am i wrong in saying that is twice she has survived fire and only 1 was by Magic.

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I'm not caught up with the show, but it sounds like the show writers have misused the story to tell a simpler version for television.

The TV show has diverged so much that it can't really be considered canon anymore. If the person that writes the stories and created the world says "that's not how that works", then that's not how that works lol

But really, any further asoiaf discussion should be directed to general talk

I like your style Palem & BoH, but while the books are amazing i believe more people are watching the TV series then there has been reading the book, you are correct though that its an easier way out to write for the viewer by simplifying it. - No more from me on this talk i promise ;)

handofthrawn, that is true unfortunately noone has time for setting up things to deal with such KDs on a larger and more time consuming scale, it is far easier to ignore to they start crossing you... (mind you i said this 4/5 ages ago when certain KDs first appeared to play the loophole antics when both KDs clearly knew what was agreed, not since a few Abs/and couple others has KDs been so willing to use any excuse to ****play).

I asked for help doing 2 DBs now in last 5 ages and not a single time has assistance been given, not that i can blame anyone individually but it is the main attitude in the game, people will rather ignore and get on with their own little bubble then assist with ****play, unless it has a direct interference with their own goals.. Only BB have i seen step in often whether it be help on mediate or brute force to no gain of their own (they might have had motives ofc but not for their own KDs charting).

pic of pan crying from all her self caused ****

http://media1.giphy.com/media/NZfgAFsnQBEI/giphy.gif

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

I know its a shock to people but at one point bottom feeding was never considered a true hostile back in the day. Also when the game first started a kingdom like Spartans would have been destroyed for there antics just for the simple fact there bad for the game. Because again once upon a time players of the game gave a damn about the game. Invite system and new pk mechanic has stopped such policing of kingdoms such as Spartans.

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What makes you think that Sparta doesn't have a role to play in the power-struggle of the top kingdoms ? Personally I like having Sparta here at their current size. They're a pretty good filter layer against satellite KDs which could have allowed more **** play and be more disruptive than good. If you look at the charts now (as of today) I think you can agree that anyone above Sparta is pretty much 'competing' and those below them are 'not'.

I have no problems with them beating down other KDs to prevent warring KDs from suddenly getting too big and come into range to get significantly taxed by the top as I myself do not part-take in the practice of taxing warring KD for CF because I've been on the ghetto side and getting asked for uncontested acres is just gay as hell. Also, I do not think any growth KD would want to tax Sparta because of the potential FSU.

1) Prevent other KDs from coming into range to get taxed
2) Doesn't get taxed themselves
3) Encourage growth KD to compete by conflict once whorable acres dried out on the server
4) If Sparta sees an opportunity to go for the crown I am sure they will do it, but by then they'll be playing on the same field the others competing are; no more free CFs to hide behind and I welcome more competition any day.

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Originally Posted by astron

What makes you think that Sparta doesn't have a role to play in the power-struggle of the top kingdoms ? Personally I like having Sparta here at their current size. They're a pretty good filter layer against satellite KDs which could have allowed more **** play and be more disruptive than good. If you look at the charts now (as of today) I think you can agree that anyone above Sparta is pretty much 'competing' and those below them are 'not'.

I have no problems with them beating down other KDs to prevent warring KDs from suddenly getting too big and come into range to get significantly taxed by the top as I myself do not part-take in the practice of taxing warring KD for CF because I've been on the ghetto side and getting asked for uncontested acres is just gay as hell. Also, I do not think any growth KD would want to tax Sparta because of the potential FSU.

1) Prevent other KDs from coming into range to get taxed
2) Doesn't get taxed themselves
3) Encourage growth KD to compete by conflict once whorable acres dried out on the server
4) If Sparta sees an opportunity to go for the crown I am sure they will do it, but by then they'll be playing on the same field the others competing are; no more free CFs to hide behind and I welcome more competition any day.

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I don't care about the land crown or top land competition. I am talking about the cheating, the abusive way they treat others and general just bs Bart puts out. In the old days there kingdom would be razed killed for this behavior. I understand your friendly with Bart but the dude is an a** to alot of people. I know 3 kingdoms besides myself right now that would dedicate there entire age to raze kill and disburse Spartans if they could. But with game mechanics the way they are would just restart green and continue there cheating. Abusive ways.

Lets throw a curveball into the mix... If sparta is still greening CD in a few weeks, Ill go play with bart to join in on the fun :-D

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

I don't care about the land crown or top land competition. I am talking about the cheating, the abusive way they treat others and general just bs Bart puts out. In the old days there kingdom would be razed killed for this behavior. I understand your friendly with Bart but the dude is an a** to alot of people. I know 3 kingdoms besides myself right now that would dedicate there entire age to raze kill and disburse Spartans if they could. But with game mechanics the way they are would just restart green and continue there cheating. Abusive ways.

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Yes I do get that Bart can be an ass, but who do you think is to blame for making him into this in-game persona he is today ? He's been playing relevantly for what, 2 years tops ? And where does he get the bunch of people he have which will agree to do whatever he says ?

Ofcuz Bart knows he's being unreasonable, but I think it wasn't all without merit. We all come up with justification for our own ****play. Personally I'm of the opinion that he should stop (this conflict with CD) and have privately told him he was being unreasonable as well. Shai is kinda cool so I'd hate to see his KD disband.

Last I heard, Panthira's demanding acres from a weaker position when Bart offered a CF with 72(?) hour notice to end it all. I'm not sure if we are gonna go anywhere with this but seeing the the stronger party abuse the **** out of the weaker one, that's utopia.

When is enough enough? Conflicts like this one and Roo vs DD is one of those things that hurt the game. Get revenge, sure. Be a dick for a day, okay. Dragging stupid pointless stuff out for weeks is just stupid.
I am not taking sides. Mistakes were made, period. Get over it and move on before more people lose interest and leave the game.

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Originally Posted by astron

Yes I do get that Bart can be an ass, but who do you think is to blame for making him into this in-game persona he is today ? He's been playing relevantly for what, 2 years tops ? And where does he get the bunch of people he have which will agree to do whatever he says ?

Ofcuz Bart knows he's being unreasonable, but I think it wasn't all without merit. We all come up with justification for our own ****play. Personally I'm of the opinion that he should stop (this conflict with CD) and have privately told him he was being unreasonable as well. Shai is kinda cool so I'd hate to see his KD disband.

Last I heard, Panthira's demanding acres from a weaker position when Bart offered a CF with 72(?) hour notice to end it all. I'm not sure if we are gonna go anywhere with this but seeing the the stronger party abuse the **** out of the weaker one, that's utopia.

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I wonder why is BB " NOW " wanting this to end.. Is there some other motive behind this?

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Originally Posted by astron

Yes I do get that Bart can be an ass, but who do you think is to blame for making him into this in-game persona he is today ? He's been playing relevantly for what, 2 years tops ? And where does he get the bunch of people he have which will agree to do whatever he says ?

Ofcuz Bart knows he's being unreasonable, but I think it wasn't all without merit. We all come up with justification for our own ****play. Personally I'm of the opinion that he should stop (this conflict with CD) and have privately told him he was being unreasonable as well. Shai is kinda cool so I'd hate to see his KD disband.

Last I heard, Panthira's demanding acres from a weaker position when Bart offered a CF with 72(?) hour notice to end it all. I'm not sure if we are gonna go anywhere with this but seeing the the stronger party abuse the **** out of the weaker one, that's utopia.

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I don't care about CD really or their problems. But I care about utopia as a whole. Barts kingdom isn't the first to behave this way or the last. They are bad for the game, becuase they make people quit the game. The new game mechanics allows kingdoms like them to survive. Anyways life goes on and with the servers being so slow I doubt the game will survive much longer.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Then it is clear you are still hostile, sorry Shai.


@Aranfein read my post please

@Pillz there is a big difference between your kd goals and hers though. Honestly it is like the reverse since Bart had no goal as far as charting or warring, just going back to classic spartan chit play so he would be the RoO hes just bigger than DD ;)

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Correct! And so I applaud Bart.
But Panthira is on her way to our side of things. She's at least decided to turn this into a grudge, regardless of cost, despite recognizing there will be a heavy one.

Abi never got that far. And now she's hiding.

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Originally Posted by home.alone

I wonder why is BB " NOW " wanting this to end.. Is there some other motive behind this?

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Move along, these games we play are too deep and dirty to be revealed to public eyes.


[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*f*** u Han u gonna brek cf with me after this war to dodge?
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*f*** off really
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*better not f**king hit me
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*cus Ill drag
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*for weeks
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*and u know it

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Originally Posted by astron

Move along, these games we play are too deep and dirty to be revealed to public eyes.


[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*f*** u Han u gonna brek cf with me after this war to dodge?
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*f*** off really
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*better not f**king hit me
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*cus Ill drag
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*for weeks
[5:31 PM, 1/7/2017]*Bart:*and u know it

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Bart is Panthira.
How far do your spy games go Bart?????

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Originally Posted by handofthrawn

I don't care about CD really or their problems. But I care about utopia as a whole. Barts kingdom isn't the first to behave this way or the last. They are bad for the game, becuase they make people quit the game. The new game mechanics allows kingdoms like them to survive. Anyways life goes on and with the servers being so slow I doubt the game will survive much longer.

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A warring kingdom just suicide baited my little ghetto and declared then beat the crap out of us. 10 players quit the game. I think this behavior is a lot worse than Bart taxing the top 1% of warring kingdoms, and I don't see you speaking out against them.

Also, enough with the doomsday talk. 3500+ players, same as a year ago maybe even two years ago.

Steel if she fully embraces it I'll side with her. She is a CareBear though so she won't.

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Originally Posted by Band of Horses

A warring kingdom just suicide baited my little ghetto and declared then beat the crap out of us. 10 players quit the game. I think this behavior is a lot worse than Bart taxing the top 1% of warring kingdoms, and I don't see you speaking out against them.

Also, enough with the doomsday talk. 3500+ players, same as a year ago maybe even two years ago.

Steel if she fully embraces it I'll side with her. She is a CareBear though so she won't.

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Im sure there were more 2 years ago.
Game had 7k when I returned iirc in early 2012.

User count: http://thedragonportal.eu/History.html

I think I'd like to join a KD that will police the server. Is that what the BSA is? Can we just get free CF from all top KDs every age no matter how big we are etc etc with the understanding that we spend the last week of the age intra-razing each other out of charts?