Thoughts on 'Dibs' and Definition of Hostile

[Anri]

Say what you like, but Nesta & me have been running our wars for the past x wars. and I have been running far more waves the last few wars due to Nesta being busy during those war periods. Though this age we had new recruits who have helped us alot. the score stands at 2-0 now, and both times were legit 1v1 wins (48hrs and 72hrs) :D Too bad I gotta act not so humble now :) wanted to be humble in victory but you usually piss people off so much that they decide to be meaniee!

Unless it can be proven that Ovenmitt intentionally gave the crown to Pew Pew by putting up a weak fight (or was it just Simians burnt out and not being able to perform?), Pew Pew isnt going to just wave you 2 times and tell you 'okay, I waved you two times. I'm going to FO and let your crown because I'm not supposed to wave more than two times'.

There is no free lunch in the world. If you are currently leading the honour chart and a kingdom thinks they can overtake you, you are not going to forbid them from waving you based on some 'rules&regulations' that you want to draw up here. Because that isnt going to happen. and the thing you did to Pew Pew this age isnt small at all btw, not sure what world are you living in.

Which brings us to the point on what you are trying to propose : (and I hope we can have a serious discussion on this)

'Kingdom A is only entitled to x waves off Kingdom B if Kingdom B does not wish to war with Kingdom A'

You proposed x = 2. While it seems okay in most situations, I dont think such a guideline can ever be enforced. And there are certain situations in which it is not feasible: i.e #2 chasing #1 in honour crown when they are close in nw, #2 kingdom waving #3 kingdom for acres to catch up to #1, and #1 cant interfere due to CFs with both #2 and #3 (if monarch of #3 is pro, he would settle things based on acres in quantity instead of amount of waves.. or just let his kingdom get waved).

In addition, what constitute a free wave? So many times you have mentioned in the forums that AMA did 7 free waves on Simians early this age, and I havent bothered to correct you.. because it isnt 7 free waves at all. You were retalling+oping back. As far as I know, free wave = retal-free + op-free hits back.

Which comes to the point, if you are going to give x free waves, why not just do diplomacy and agree on a fixed acres for cf deal? Which goes back to the point of why Kingdom A wants to wave you.. what benefits do they get etc. If it means to better strategically place themselves then there is definitely some reason, but if it's to disband a kingdom or just having a grudge against them, then yes there should be some limit to the amount of waves.

And it comes down to the survival of the fittest in the land/nw charts. It will come to a point where someone has to drop out during the age, and Kingdom A (who is waving Kingdom B) monarch must be able to do pro diplomacy so that he can gain xx waves/ xx acres without pissing off Kingdom B's monarch. The rationale is simple : we outplayed you and we are here to collect some acres, I am going to take as much as possible w/o pissing you off so that you wont raze me later on. And why do Kingdom B monarch agree to this? because he will be in the same position as Kingdom A monarch alot of times and know how is it like to be asking for acres.




Not sure for dibs,

but there can be no clear definition of what constitute a hostile. The game is too dynamic for this to happen in my opinion. Sure, we can get the leaders of all the top few kingdoms to draft up a proposal, but it will take alot of time and there will be quite a fair bit of loopholes (due to the fact that the game is dynamic)

Tax/acres4cf : it happens. and it's mutual between both sides. (if Kingdom B doesnt want to give up acres, just go raze-retal instead. there's pros and cons of this). It becomes an issue when it impacts 3rd party kingdoms.. but let's face it, any decision you make affects a 3rd party kingdom in utopia.


-cJ

Funny that you say this, because when pyromaniacs played for honor we should have waved you with demands for unlimited waves and see how that had worked out for you. Maybe even landdropped for science to make sure you absolutely stand no chance. I am glad someone takes pewpew side after countless of ages worth of ****play in various ways. Who better then Pyro to stand by thier side.
Lets agree to disagree and i will keep this in the back of my head, if this is Pyros beleifs or just your own way of thinking i dont know, it does not matter. Its 100% wrong.

From the point we stopped hitting/opsing AMA because meter got to high they took 7 free waves.
In my own book, its just a greedy thing to do to get ahead of the competition. But in general its all a meter issue so thats what needs changing because land trade was even and we would have wanted to trade land for many days more before just maybe we would have gave them land or a war.

The situations with AMA and pewpew can in no way be compared because we did fight back from the start.

Pewpew have had a way different approuch, even if you give free waves we will NEVER stop hitting.
I cant help you are delussional enough to think this is okey.

I am sure, that if you keep insisting on this it will happen to you some day and i am more then sure you will not think it is fair when it does. Obviously ****play can never change with people like you around cJ.
The GB that just happend to AMA says it all and thats just the tip of the iceberg. There was only two kds gaining from this, one of the more greedy things i have seen the last couple of ages and the only time i have seen a kd take advantage of its own allies in a GB only to proceed and try to crown. You sir, is a joke.

With that said, i will not argue more with you and try to make this game a better place and most of all this topic a place we can make some rules against ****play, ****play that happend to us all that you dont feel like setting up any sort of rules against. Its in the end of the day your call.

GL

EDIT: Lets say Pyro would not been able to fight CR this age, would that have made CR the rightful owner of all your acres? Because then #1 vs #2 could have applied. I would not think this is the way we want to play the game.