Quote Originally Posted by John Snowstorm View Post
yes, moving the goalposts, first it's 'they'd be let off the hook' then it's 'oh, well ofc, not off the hook, but there wouldn't be random GBs'

winning is winning anywhere, in any sport for the vast majority of cases, there are countless instances of titles and competitions where one participant was at some disadvantage and the winner still proudly held up his trophy or wore his laurel wreath or whatever. I am having difficulty sorting out what distinction it is you are trying to make, you seem to be saying that professional sportspeople are inherently more noble than utopia players and would never accept victories based off some kind of unfairness?
I didn't switch my story, you just misunderstood what I said. The community would let them off the hook if they had some good excuse out side of "We wanted to screw with them". Obviously no excuse is good enough for the kd that was robbed. They are going to seek vengeance even if they had a REALLY good reason to stop them.

My point is that true competitors (which I believe was the point of ASF's analogy, "top two..." ) want to compete against the best competition possible. They want to prove, and showcase their dominance. If you rob them of their competition, then they feel wronged too. That said, I don't feel utopia is populated by "competitors". People want to take the easiest road possible to secure success. Whether that's "questionable" play at the top, or ghetto-bashing at the bottom.

Are all athletes "competitors"? No. Are all Utopia players "lazy scum" (or whatever the opposite of a competitor would be lol)? No. I do think you're MUCH more likely to find competitive people in professional sports as opposed to an online, text-based mmo...