Game Needs More Good kds Competing

[Kern]

If today I learn how to play the ukulele then tomorrow I'm better than I was today.

Learning to play the ukelele isn't a commitment to devote my entirely life to trying to make a career out of it.


@Persain - Who won age 5?

That's the problem. It sounds more like a difference between playing the Ukelele as a casual player, as opposed to playing it as a concert performer. Learning to play the ukelele is one thing. Why would you want to be a performer in a ukelele orchestra when it's not fun/you don't think it will be fun, as opposed to just going around to random jamming sessions with others that know how to play the ukelele while having the same, if not a larger amount of fun?

It's a difference between just playing utopia for the lulz, playing semi-seriously, or as part of a warring/whorring/any combination of the two setup. We all (maybe not all, but a reasonable amount) know how to play. The issue is how well you play, and which level you think is enough for you to still have fun while playing.

[Shifty11]

Abs is such a pathetic alliance. You'd think they would feed on other 25 man provinces, instead of 20 man provinces who just left the ghetto.

No, they're pathetic. They couldn't fight for honor if they tried to, because they don't know how to.

There's your answer. They fight for land and networth because that's all they know, and that's all they can do.

They're good at that to the point where warring KDs don't compete for land or networth, because there just isn't any point competing with a KD that has 5 Human Merchants, and 20 Dwarf Merchants. Like really? Merchant? Our ghettos don't allow attackers to be merchants, because it's such a piss poor choice for one.

But they aren't really into warring or WWs. The most reknown KD with the worst WW ratio. Thumbs #*$&ing up. (Y)

[Darkz Azn]

No sir. You are wrong again. Every time early you wave a top KD with all heavy attackers in tow and KD made to wreck stuff they CF you quickly. I have done it a number of times. They know that dwarves are not going to beat orc heavy attackers when they have no science yet and have no wpa becaus etheir BE bonus has not generated enough off their guilds yet. They don't war until after they are fully pumped and much larger than anyone.

Stop the BS with they choose the best race choices. They make choices to live in the particular environment that they war in.

Case in point, BiO last age, chose the dwarf cleric and similar whoring BS. They got RUINED by ghetto cats and later by monument because what they chose could not stand up to real wars. (though to be more fair, monument rode the ghetto cat's coat tails on that one....AW takes way to long to recover from).

we were waving every kingdom .... seem like they were giving us cf and free wave .... odd =\ where were the war kds earlier in the age when we were oop ...

[Darkz Azn]

Abs is such a pathetic alliance. You'd think they would feed on other 25 man provinces, instead of 20 man provinces who just left the ghetto.

No, they're pathetic. They couldn't fight for honor if they tried to, because they don't know how to.

There's your answer. They fight for land and networth because that's all they know, and that's all they can do.

They're good at that to the point where warring KDs don't compete for land or networth, because there just isn't any point competing with a KD that has 5 Human Merchants, and 20 Dwarf Merchants. Like really? Merchant? Our ghettos don't allow attackers to be merchants, because it's such a piss poor choice for one.

But they aren't really into warring or WWs. The most reknown KD with the worst WW ratio. Thumbs #*$&ing up. (Y)

yupp ... land mum mum ...

[Sheister]

we were waving every kingdom .... seem like they were giving us cf and free wave .... odd =\ where were the war kds earlier in the age when we were oop ...

Well, a few things: One, probably not on island with you or near you. I know our KDs did not go near each other for personnel reasons this age. I think also, many are intimidated by the avian choice...... It may also be that you are able to raise large cows and killers with near immunity because of the alliance and many/most KDs don't know or don't want to take the time to deal with one of those.

The cows are something no independent KD can do as easily as Abs KDs because we just don't have the relationships to safely put em up. This is also something that would take skill in many KDs and requries less skill for you to accomplish because of your pre-existing relationships.

But I think it is fair to say that Sanctuary last age and this age is NOT the typical crown contending KD either. Since we are painting with broad brush strokes, there are bound to be exceptions to most statements made.

/me shrugs.

oh well.

[octobrev]

Merchant is an awesome attacker. I would argue that none of you know how to play...

[octobrev]

Honor is quite easy to compete for actually. It's all about baiting super easy kingdoms like your own. We typically win honor crowns on the ages that we aren't trying or when most of our players are on vacation.

[Topsy]

How was dorf/cleric a whore specific pick last age? It was a war pick(best pick for war imo), just so happened whoring kd's knew they'd have to war. It had a good elite with fanat, qf, and cs, with BE bump and no negatives while cleric was absurdly OP(even if very ffew kd's used it properly).

Wars are different at whore lvl and war lvl because activity/skill is different, there's no penalty for warring 3 weeks outside the top, and because you can use cf's to pump science before wars and stock gc for big bumps at wars.

[brado]

Merchant is an awesome attacker. I would argue that none of you know how to play...

this. whether you go for war wins in the bottom, combined chart in the middle, land and nw chart up top. no matter which route you chose, the absolute, unquestionably best personality of this age for an attacker of any race was merchant, both in war and out of war, yet it was 5th most picked of the 6 attacking personalities.

to me this proves what dorje hinted on, about players not knowing how to compete economically with the top few kingdoms. the top kds are just way more effecient, and take far less time to build the same number of units, any 2 kingdoms on the server can grow to the same acres, have the same military numbers, but if 3 or 4 kingdoms can do it twice as fast as every other semi decent kingdom, the gap that nubhat palem is whining about is created.

[Persain]

@Persain - Who won age 5?

No clue, i could look up who got the most land, what about honor :P. Its like saying who wins world of warcraft before each new content pack. Is it the guy with the most pvp wins, the guy with the most gold, best gear, most raids some of those things aren't even tracked, doesnt mean the guy with 2 billion gold is worse then the guy with the best gear in the game.

When the game started wars/fights/fake wars all sorts of things existed and the only way to show how people were doing relative to each-other was nw/land/fame. As the games gone on its shifted VERY MUCH to "waring" being the focus even when the game was growing there was a shift to making "war" a focus. Otherwise u wouldn't have reduced losses hitting into a war, better attack times in war, big honor gains in war, more land gain in war.....and on and on. The rational for that is waring is fun, its a game u can be the best and still only play minimally. Whoring acres is political bs, you're not "better" because u find that fun and u can manipulate people.

Unless the game were to introduce forced wars (like if your say rage and u attack someone 40 times in 40 hours it auto declares war) politics isn't needed to have fun nor be the "best", the largest sure, but even if i was the best player in the game at politics if i dont want to do it u cant say me not participating in that means i "lose" or am bad. The game will never go to forced wars because its not "good" for the game. But u make it so u can force a war, war provided more of a benefit than not war and i bet alot of war kds could easily compete because they get to not participate in the political bs they dont like. Then again every freaking player in the game would burn out in 1-2 ages and the game is dead.

A perfect example where u completely miss the point is

Top 5 kds make better race choices than warring kds because they understand the game mechanics better. Economy usually wins wars. They typically choose the race with the best econ.

here. My kd is in the top 5, however I doubt you'd ever argue our race choice was best for whoring. Yet we're competing with the a setup alot of war kds would use. Do u think when we were 15% bigger than pulse we could have waved them and won. Our cf is worded were i could have been a dick and tried, when they've asked not to war. Compare that potential war to the Simians V pew pew war...effectively the same setups that would have existed yet pew pew won quite nicely. what do u think the outcome would be though.

If abs set a of standard of war=win, u can "random" into kds to get your setup straight, but leave "top" kds alone to fight it out their then anyone could compete. But based on your argument you claim is simians and pulse are equally skilled at choosing races. Yet EVERY war kd knew simians was dumb last age running 25 halfers. Your argument misses the point because skill =/=desire. And all your whining that u get better growing big doesnt make it true. The only "war" strategy i've learned this age so far is a way to avoid using anon when chaining as orcs. Its a skill sure, but not one i'll use because i think its not the right way to do things.

[Darkz Azn]

Well, a few things: One, probably not on island with you or near you. I know our KDs did not go near each other for personnel reasons this age. I think also, many are intimidated by the avian choice...... It may also be that you are able to raise large cows and killers with near immunity because of the alliance and many/most KDs don't know or don't want to take the time to deal with one of those.

The cows are something no independent KD can do as easily as Abs KDs because we just don't have the relationships to safely put em up. This is also something that would take skill in many KDs and requries less skill for you to accomplish because of your pre-existing relationships.

But I think it is fair to say that Sanctuary last age and this age is NOT the typical crown contending KD either. Since we are painting with broad brush strokes, there are bound to be exceptions to most statements made.

/me shrugs.

oh well.

impossible to have a cow with the current explore formula =) ... odd ... i dun want a crown, i want my second place streak to keep going ...

[Darkz Azn]

No clue, i could look up who got the most land, what about honor :P. Its like saying who wins world of warcraft before each new content pack. Is it the guy with the most pvp wins, the guy with the most gold, best gear, most raids some of those things aren't even tracked, doesnt mean the guy with 2 billion gold is worse then the guy with the best gear in the game.

When the game started wars/fights/fake wars all sorts of things existed and the only way to show how people were doing relative to each-other was nw/land/fame. As the games gone on its shifted VERY MUCH to "waring" being the focus even when the game was growing there was a shift to making "war" a focus. Otherwise u wouldn't have reduced losses hitting into a war, better attack times in war, big honor gains in war, more land gain in war.....and on and on. The rational for that is waring is fun, its a game u can be the best and still only play minimally. Whoring acres is political bs, you're not "better" because u find that fun and u can manipulate people.

Unless the game were to introduce forced wars (like if your say rage and u attack someone 40 times in 40 hours it auto declares war) politics isn't needed to have fun nor be the "best", the largest sure, but even if i was the best player in the game at politics if i dont want to do it u cant say me not participating in that means i "lose" or am bad. The game will never go to forced wars because its not "good" for the game. But u make it so u can force a war, war provided more of a benefit than not war and i bet alot of war kds could easily compete because they get to not participate in the political bs they dont like. Then again every freaking player in the game would burn out in 1-2 ages and the game is dead.

A perfect example where u completely miss the point is
here. My kd is in the top 5, however I doubt you'd ever argue our race choice was best for whoring. Yet we're competing with the a setup alot of war kds would use. Do u think when we were 15% bigger than pulse we could have waved them and won. Our cf is worded were i could have been a dick and tried, when they've asked not to war. Compare that potential war to the Simians V pew pew war...effectively the same setups that would have existed yet pew pew won quite nicely. what do u think the outcome would be though.

If abs set a of standard of war=win, u can "random" into kds to get your setup straight, but leave "top" kds alone to fight it out their then your claim is simians and pulse are equally skilled at choosing races. Yet EVERY war kd knew simians was dumb last age running 25 halfers. Your argument misses the point because skill =/=desire. And all your whining that u get better growing big doesnt make it true.

you can whore with any setup ... the secret is *censored*

[Topsy]

greatest second place streak of all time?

[Darkz Azn]

always =) odd ... winner come and go, but second place stay forever =)

[Palem]

Case in point, BiO last age, chose the dwarf cleric and similar whoring BS. They got RUINED by ghetto cats and later by monument because what they chose could not stand up to real wars. (though to be more fair, monument rode the ghetto cat's coat tails on that one....AW takes way to long to recover from).

You're using BiO as a case study for how top whoring kds choose race setups and how they get "ruined" by other kds when they fell too far behind? BiO isn't even a whoring kd anymore. They don't even tag.

I could be mistaken, but wasn't Monument in Sanctuary's path of destruction after they got beat down by GT58 early and ended finishing #2 pretty much through warring alone? They seemed to do ok warring YOU in YOUR environment.


Edit:
@Persain - This is nothing like world of warcraft. Everything on utopia is connected, not so much in WoW. You want honor? You need to war. You want to crown? You'll need to war. You want to win wars? You may need to engage in a war or two. As far as your race setup and competeting. You have 1 more war win than Rage and you are 62% of their size.