#1 go Timber???

[Zauper]

1) Ok, could likely be true since you were stuck at the meter cap. Doesn't change the content of my post, and more particularly the point that there was no reason to be mad over the bank hit, because we were making those 2 bank hits anyways whether the faery incident happened or not, because you used your meter on bounces.

And we were planning on making a bank hit afterwards, but couldn't because of the fae being suicided.

2) The offer was we couldn't have a province grow over 3k acres by year 6. It is in fact, the most unreasonable offer I've ever heard, I'm sure everyone not in havoc would agree to that.

Seems more reasonable than 'reset your kingdom' to me. Hell, it's pretty similar to 'no one in your kingdom can ever pass 9k acres', which apparently you forced on Sanc a few ages ago?

If you don't like it, negotiate something else. Like I said, I may have helped come up with the initial offer, but I'm not in charge of what we accept WRT your kingdom. If you want something else, convince Maxi to take it.

3) Where is the claim of us saying you were behind the multis, I said it was avalanche. Do I think he might have messaged someone in your kingdom? Sure, he messaged mine. Every kingdom, yours included has 10 new players in it this age. No monarch knows everything these days. Do I think you or godly or megas or zara or devolution or topsy had any knowledge? No. Can't say the same for the rest of the 20 people, however. You waved us on the 8th. The multis were created 12 hours prior. Whoever made them knew you were planning on waving us. That combined with generally when everyone has the exact same story right in place, and people say "oh, I bet they hit us next" then go ahead and do so immediately afterwards, I simply said that it is suspicious, which, it is.

You claimed it like a page back. And again right here "well gee, it sure is suspicious that we got multis hittin us"

The 'people' you're referring to don't play in my kingdom.

4) What is easier to nightstrike, a faery with elite defense or an undead with ospec offense? Regardless going from 1 province who can break to 6 is fairly significant. The upsetting thing would be hitting it right away without even caring or attempting to let him get his defense back, it could have easily been fixed. I had my entire kingdom ceasefire you after prepping for it for 6 weeks. You could have waited 2 hours, or at least brought up the subject of trying to make it equitable.

A faery with defspec and elite def.... who could have been MV'd by one of our elves. The undead with offspec and elite offense. The undead who had better thief defense, because CS + WT + higher raw tpa...The hit on him would have enabled the second undead to hit as well, and that leaves you with a pretty high chance of plague.

If you want to deal with it, you should message us, not the other way around. When munk was hacked, we messaged you and you didn't respond for 6 hours. We responded immediately. You didn't say you wanted anything.

5) How about the solution of "wait for his armies to get home and keep going"

Which solves him having had been released?

or "we can CF a bit and go again"

Which doesn't solve the above issue of him having had WPA released, and did not involve you returning our acres from your extra cow hits at that time.

Your answers were "we don't feel like fighting this fight anymore, lets just CF until the end of age" Clearly that can't be the answer, as then anyone can just suicide a province and get an EoA CF with their largest threat on the server.

False; we had evidence that your co-monarch was responsible for it. That is a substantially different situation than a random suicide (or multis not associated with us bouncing on you).

If there was compelling enough evidence that I was convinced (as you were) that my kingdom was responsible for something like that, I would EOA CF on the spot, and offer them all of the acres in the responsible parties province.

Oh, and regarding E) I have it on authority you have done the same thing to multiple kingdoms in the past.

I have it on authority that you are wrong. If I agree to a deal, my word is given and it's done.

Perhaps there were qualifiers that I used that you didn't use? For example, "I need to check with zzz, but I think..." as distinct from "Yeah, we'll CF until ~yr9". It's hard to tell without the logs of your claim, of course.

People change their minds. Demanding an answer on a Ceasefire an hour after a 5 day fight on little sleep is certainly more ridiculous than changing your mind after someone wakes up. Furthermore, anyone reasonable would say "hey, this guy didn't sleep for 3 days, maybe when he woke up he might change his mind, and you know, it really wouldn't be unreasonable if he did"

If you don't want to agree to something, don't agree to it. It's as simple as that. "I can't agree to anything right now, I'm too tired." "I can't decide if we can CF, I need to talk to people" "I need to sleep on it to know if we can CF." These are all responses that are reasonable and would reflect the above. I don't think anyone reasonable would say "Hey, this person agreed to do something in good faith, that is something that I cannot count on for my planning." On the contrary, they would say "This person has agreed to something in good faith, I can plan around that."

Claiming it's harder to decide whether you want to CF than it is to run a war is a more ridiculous claim than you should keep your word when you give it.

If anyone in my kingdom negotiated a deal in good faith (meaning believing they were doing the right thing for the kd and they were authorized / had to do it), I would honor it. I've been put in this situation a few times by my nubs.