Quote Originally Posted by faegan View Post
I don't think Munk was very smart starting this thread when he did. I would probably consider it a dealbreak as well, but then again, I would talk to the people leading the kingdom and try to resolve matters. That didn't seem to go very well for AMA, since Havoc was in a position to just demand acres for CF.

My personal viewpoint:
Last age I was pretty upset with my monarch and steward because they were so quick to hand out free acres to Fratzia and some others. That's why I am perhaps not made for diplomacy; my motto would be: if you want my acres? Come get them! And should you decide to take them, please don't come crying when we start hitting OOW or razing your oh-so-precious cows.

So, to answer your question: I would probably do what Havoc did, aside from starting this silly thread. I would probably just have let the CF expire and service notice then. And in Havoc's position I also would have waved you, knowing that Pyro would also wave. It's been mentioned before that your poor CF expirations are none of other KD's concerns.

All in all, it's like I tell my 4 y/o daughter:
You made a mess, you clean it up....
She's smart enough to listen and do the right thing....

But in AMA's case, they chose to make an even bigger mess .... 4 y/o >>> AMA ?

And last thing: don't patronize me or be condescending; you are defending people who blatantly disregard all rules of fair play in Utopia.
That is something I have not done, ever...and I've been around since Age 3.
Suuure you will do the same thing havoc did ... without the part that actually started this - nice my friend nice your logic is flawless. U see the whole thing is cuz of the premature notice and the whole thing is cuz of the bullying. Its not about poor CF agreements. Almost every cf deal comes with a part that if u are hostile or in war with someone u cant get noticed. Havoc premature noticed us exactly cuz of that - to ensure we wont fight pyro. To say that no matter what we gonna get 2v1 or oow razed with premature notice can piss anyone off.

I will patronize you when u give me ground to step on. We reacted as we should have reacted. U said it urself - if someone wants u let him come propper and honor deals, if that does not happen you know u could expect anything.
I dont rly care how long u are here. I was also rnd for a long time now and i know what we did was right. We made a deal with havoc, they broke the deal, they challanged us, insulted us, threaten us and conspire against us - of course we will attack. I know that they are now orchestrating a gb with a certain alliance and some jungle creatures and tbh noone will win from this gb :)

PS - send me a link to all the rules of fair play in utopia and pls tell where we broke any?