CR vs AMA

[PhoenixScorpion]

Funny thing is after I retired from leading kds due to working full time, I had option to stay in Rage and help advise and teach people to get better but chose to leave and be a regular player in AMA...wanna know one of the main reasons for it, you guys were going to be allied with Havoc/CR and there was no way I was going to play in a kd that is allied to a kd like Havoc, especially after Abs disbanded and there were some people floating around who were never able to lead an Abs kd/be in alliance leadership and wanted to pretend they were still Abs anyways after everyone associated with the group for years had departed. Havoc has been ****playing for a long time and made Abs look like a joke, it has finally caught up to them.

Proteus you know my position on that. You as a leader in Rage could've ended all alliances with Havoc had you really wanted to, as I did. Me and you spoke about it at length many times. That doesn't change that what you are doing is as bad if not worse than Havoc. That also doesn't change fact that when you was tested on if you could actually back up your talk with action you instead chose the easy way out. The same role and leadership **** you do in AMA you could've done in Rage, a KD that stuck by your nub ass when you do all the **** you QQ about other people doing. Who you ****talked insanely the instant you left. They sure was good enough for you until you chose to go to AMA, how convenient to slam them now. Just like I am sure when you joined Rage you was crown chasing, that's only reason you join KDs or stay in them. Anyone who knows you knows that.

[faegan]

So if it was you you would do the exact same thing Havoc did? Are you a monarch somewhere? If yes pls think again.

I don't think Munk was very smart starting this thread when he did. I would probably consider it a dealbreak as well, but then again, I would talk to the people leading the kingdom and try to resolve matters. That didn't seem to go very well for AMA, since Havoc was in a position to just demand acres for CF.

My personal viewpoint:
Last age I was pretty upset with my monarch and steward because they were so quick to hand out free acres to Fratzia and some others. That's why I am perhaps not made for diplomacy; my motto would be: if you want my acres? Come get them! And should you decide to take them, please don't come crying when we start hitting OOW or razing your oh-so-precious cows.

So, to answer your question: I would probably do what Havoc did, aside from starting this silly thread. I would probably just have let the CF expire and service notice then. And in Havoc's position I also would have waved you, knowing that Pyro would also wave. It's been mentioned before that your poor CF expirations are none of other KD's concerns.

All in all, it's like I tell my 4 y/o daughter:
You made a mess, you clean it up....
She's smart enough to listen and do the right thing....

But in AMA's case, they chose to make an even bigger mess .... 4 y/o >>> AMA ?

And last thing: don't patronize me or be condescending; you are defending people who blatantly disregard all rules of fair play in Utopia.
That is something I have not done, ever...and I've been around since Age 3.

[guard14n]

I don't think Munk was very smart starting this thread when he did. I would probably consider it a dealbreak as well, but then again, I would talk to the people leading the kingdom and try to resolve matters. That didn't seem to go very well for AMA, since Havoc was in a position to just demand acres for CF.

My personal viewpoint:
Last age I was pretty upset with my monarch and steward because they were so quick to hand out free acres to Fratzia and some others. That's why I am perhaps not made for diplomacy; my motto would be: if you want my acres? Come get them! And should you decide to take them, please don't come crying when we start hitting OOW or razing your oh-so-precious cows.

So, to answer your question: I would probably do what Havoc did, aside from starting this silly thread. I would probably just have let the CF expire and service notice then. And in Havoc's position I also would have waved you, knowing that Pyro would also wave. It's been mentioned before that your poor CF expirations are none of other KD's concerns.

All in all, it's like I tell my 4 y/o daughter:
You made a mess, you clean it up....
She's smart enough to listen and do the right thing....

But in AMA's case, they chose to make an even bigger mess .... 4 y/o >>> AMA ?

And last thing: don't patronize me or be condescending; you are defending people who blatantly disregard all rules of fair play in Utopia.
That is something I have not done, ever...and I've been around since Age 3.

Suuure you will do the same thing havoc did ... without the part that actually started this - nice my friend nice your logic is flawless. U see the whole thing is cuz of the premature notice and the whole thing is cuz of the bullying. Its not about poor CF agreements. Almost every cf deal comes with a part that if u are hostile or in war with someone u cant get noticed. Havoc premature noticed us exactly cuz of that - to ensure we wont fight pyro. To say that no matter what we gonna get 2v1 or oow razed with premature notice can piss anyone off.

I will patronize you when u give me ground to step on. We reacted as we should have reacted. U said it urself - if someone wants u let him come propper and honor deals, if that does not happen you know u could expect anything.
I dont rly care how long u are here. I was also rnd for a long time now and i know what we did was right. We made a deal with havoc, they broke the deal, they challanged us, insulted us, threaten us and conspire against us - of course we will attack. I know that they are now orchestrating a gb with a certain alliance and some jungle creatures and tbh noone will win from this gb :)

PS - send me a link to all the rules of fair play in utopia and pls tell where we broke any?

[PhoenixScorpion]

Suuure you will do the same thing havoc did ... without the part that actually started this - nice my friend nice your logic is flawless. U see the whole thing is cuz of the premature notice and the whole thing is cuz of the bullying. Its not about poor CF agreements. Almost every cf deal comes with a part that if u are hostile or in war with someone u cant get noticed. Havoc premature noticed us exactly cuz of that - to ensure we wont fight pyro. To say that no matter what we gonna get 2v1 or oow razed with premature notice can piss anyone off.

I will patronize you when u give me ground to step on. We reacted as we should have reacted. U said it urself - if someone wants u let him come propper and honor deals, if that does not happen you know u could expect anything.
I dont rly care how long u are here. I was also rnd for a long time now and i know what we did was right. We made a deal with havoc, they broke the deal, they challanged us, insulted us, threaten us and conspire against us - of course we will attack. I know that they are now orchestrating a gb with a certain alliance and some jungle creatures and tbh noone will win from this gb :)

PS - send me a link to all the rules of fair play in utopia and pls tell where we broke any?

I dont need to post links to what is already blatantly obvious.

[Proteus]

Proteus you know my position on that. You as a leader in Rage could've ended all alliances with Havoc had you really wanted to, as I did. Me and you spoke about it at length many times. That doesn't change that what you are doing is as bad if not worse than Havoc. That also doesn't change fact that when you was tested on if you could actually back up your talk with action you instead chose the easy way out. The same role and leadership **** you do in AMA you could've done in Rage, a KD that stuck by your nub ass when you do all the **** you QQ about other people doing. Who you ****talked insanely the instant you left. They sure was good enough for you until you chose to go to AMA, how convenient to slam them now. Just like I am sure when you joined Rage you was crown chasing, that's only reason you join KDs or stay in them. Anyone who knows you knows that.

I don't really agree with you that people outside from family can claim that they know me better than I know myself. Why did I join Rage? Because it was a great opportunity to play at the very top, lead one of the best kds to ever play, and a great learning experience because in the beginning both ASF and Zoot were around. Crowning was secondary and honestly I even *brought* crowns as they happened when I was leading and kd was fully transitioned to me vs. "received" crowns i.e. when you join a kd as a player or just help out a little bit and you win....leader crowns when you average 4-5h of sleep a night in those ages matter.

What do I do in AMA? I play a province and I help out a little bit as is needed and just enjoy the game, spend time talking to people in the kd I play in, and that it. You are right I had choices...I could have kept on leading Rage for several ages but then I would be stretched too thin with work and this stuff (it is very time consuming) but bottom line I wasn't going to actively lead a kingdom after I stopped after end of age 57 and handed it over to 3 other people. Sure I could have stayed on as an advisor + help out like I do now but I chose not to because kd was going to be allied to Havoc...I advised not to be allied to havoc as they are selfish lying scumbags who only care about crowning because they have 0 crowns and will throw any 'ally' under the bus to get there (as you have seen already i.e. age 58). So no for me its not about crowns its about having fun and doing what I believe in. Also saying the reason I join kds or stay in them is for crown chasing but that doesnt make sense, if I wanted more crowns all I had to do was stay in Rage and keep putting time in...we won a crown our last age and would have won 2 if it was not for ****play.

As for QQing about **** happening now that I have done? What have I done in the past that I am QQing about...when I was leading the kd was a million times cleaner than the actions you've seen in the top last ages. I never dibbed anyone saying we were going to hit them no matter what and not to 'run'. I never threatened to 2v1 people if they refuse to fight us. I never farmed out to anyone to shape the charts.

What you are missing here is what AMA does is REACTIONARY. What ****play did AMA do in Age 57 when their first crown was stolen from them in a 2v1 by Sanc and Havoc for the planning/discussion of which I was present in Abscouncil and can share logs if requested. As AMA's main competitor that age, I thought they played the age clean...was I pissed about given 72h notice after we spent 5 days warring BB and taking them out...yes as anyone would be in a situation like that but it was clean. They served us notice and hit after it was over, we did not have time to prep so they got free land. After that AMA fought Sanc in a fair clean war and farmed them. At that point Havoc knew they had 0 chance to win as Sanc was a stronger kd than they were and just got decimated and AMA was bigger + explored a bunch so they arranged 2v1. What did AMA do to play dirty here? Nothing.

Age 58 was a joke age with Strippers dealbreaking Rage unprovoked, Havoc abandoning allies to whore entire age and let them get shafted. AMA was #1 majority of age from good execution and fought and beat Havoc 1v1. End of age AMA ended up eating GB from several kingdoms due to them wanting to crown and being mad about being outmaneuvered as they did not have experience navigating the top and were butthurt over it.

Age 59 race was between AMA and BB with kds changing positions. AMA receives vulture from ED who then spends entire age running from AMA after losing to avoid cow being farmed. When AMA is #1 eoa they received bucnh of coordinated razes from ghettos EOA from kds we have not touched entire age. EOA parth fail as ED monarch and go to havoc to try and win (crown chasing) and talks sh1t to us all age about how we get dibbed and 2v1ed after having spent majority of former age doing FW and running.

This current age we got vulture 2x, powerplayed, dictated who we would fight, dibbed in advance and threatened to be 2v1 on two occasions, had our deal abused and broken by auto dibbing...and after all of this does AMA respond and punish the ****players. So it took AMA 3+ ages of playing clean and fair and not punishing ****players to finally respond and people get pissed about it. So according to spectaters AMA needs to be eating ****play indefinitely and doing nothing about it. Pretty easy to see how this is reactionary vs. proactive ****playing which has been done to us FIRST (i.e. havoc 2v1, robbing into eow, gb, auto dibbing).

[Runefire]

Clean and fair includes hitting in to war according to AMA?

Excellent news everybody!

Suuure you will do the same thing havoc did ... without the part that actually started this - nice my friend nice your logic is flawless. U see the whole thing is cuz of the premature notice and the whole thing is cuz of the bullying. Its not about poor CF agreements. Almost every cf deal comes with a part that if u are hostile or in war with someone u cant get noticed. Havoc premature noticed us exactly cuz of that - to ensure we wont fight pyro. To say that no matter what we gonna get 2v1 or oow razed with premature notice can piss anyone off.

Early posts in the thread state Pyro and Havoc CF's with AMA ended at the same time. So how could Havoc notice AMA in hostile/war with Pyro?

What they were saying was if they noticed AMA for war and AMA and Pyro went to war, they would hit in. Something AMA did in earlier ages and have argued is acceptable practice.

[PhoenixScorpion]

I don't really agree with you that people outside from family can claim that they know me better than I know myself. Why did I join Rage? Because it was a great opportunity to play at the very top, lead one of the best kds to ever play, and a great learning experience because in the beginning both ASF and Zoot were around. Crowning was secondary and honestly I even *brought* crowns as they happened when I was leading and kd was fully transitioned to me vs. "received" crowns i.e. when you join a kd as a player or just help out a little bit and you win....leader crowns when you average 4-5h of sleep a night in those ages matter.

What do I do in AMA? I play a province and I help out a little bit as is needed and just enjoy the game, spend time talking to people in the kd I play in, and that it. You are right I had choices...I could have kept on leading Rage for several ages but then I would be stretched too thin with work and this stuff (it is very time consuming) but bottom line I wasn't going to actively lead a kingdom after I stopped after end of age 57 and handed it over to 3 other people. Sure I could have stayed on as an advisor + help out like I do now but I chose not to because kd was going to be allied to Havoc...I advised not to be allied to havoc as they are selfish lying scumbags who only care about crowning because they have 0 crowns and will throw any 'ally' under the bus to get there (as you have seen already i.e. age 58). So no for me its not about crowns its about having fun and doing what I believe in. Also saying the reason I join kds or stay in them is for crown chasing but that doesnt make sense, if I wanted more crowns all I had to do was stay in Rage and keep putting time in...we won a crown our last age and would have won 2 if it was not for ****play.

As for QQing about **** happening now that I have done? What have I done in the past that I am QQing about...when I was leading the kd was a million times cleaner than the actions you've seen in the top last ages. I never dibbed anyone saying we were going to hit them no matter what and not to 'run'. I never threatened to 2v1 people if they refuse to fight us. I never farmed out to anyone to shape the charts.

What you are missing here is what AMA does is REACTIONARY. What ****play did AMA do in Age 57 when their first crown was stolen from them in a 2v1 by Sanc and Havoc for the planning/discussion of which I was present in Abscouncil and can share logs if requested. As AMA's main competitor that age, I thought they played the age clean...was I pissed about given 72h notice after we spent 5 days warring BB and taking them out...yes as anyone would be in a situation like that but it was clean. They served us notice and hit after it was over, we did not have time to prep so they got free land. After that AMA fought Sanc in a fair clean war and farmed them. At that point Havoc knew they had 0 chance to win as Sanc was a stronger kd than they were and just got decimated and AMA was bigger + explored a bunch so they arranged 2v1. What did AMA do to play dirty here? Nothing.

Age 58 was a joke age with Strippers dealbreaking Rage unprovoked, Havoc abandoning allies to whore entire age and let them get shafted. AMA was #1 majority of age from good execution and fought and beat Havoc 1v1. End of age AMA ended up eating GB from several kingdoms due to them wanting to crown and being mad about being outmaneuvered as they did not have experience navigating the top and were butthurt over it.

Age 59 race was between AMA and BB with kds changing positions. AMA receives vulture from ED who then spends entire age running from AMA after losing to avoid cow being farmed. When AMA is #1 eoa they received bucnh of coordinated razes from ghettos EOA from kds we have not touched entire age. EOA parth fail as ED monarch and go to havoc to try and win (crown chasing) and talks sh1t to us all age about how we get dibbed and 2v1ed after having spent majority of former age doing FW and running.

This current age we got vulture 2x, powerplayed, dictated who we would fight, dibbed in advance and threatened to be 2v1 on two occasions, had our deal abused and broken by auto dibbing...and after all of this does AMA respond and bunch the ****players. So it took AMA 3+ ages of playing clean and fair and not punishing ****players to finally respond and people get pissed about it. So according to spectaters AMA needs to be eating ****play indefinitely and doing nothing about it. Pretty easy to see how this is reactionary vs. proactive ****playing which has been done to us FIRST (i.e. havoc 2v1, robbing into eow, gb, auto dibbing).

there is no difference, ****play is ****play. Only person who threatened to power-play you or threatened you with 2 vs 1 was CR. Yet you ****play impacts KDs who did NOTHING to you and create even more enemies (ie Pyro). This is EXACT thing I explained last AGE, when instead of actioning a KD who you claimed intentionally farmed (which is what anymore who actually cared about fairplay would have done given the logic) but you actioned who you felt you could to gain some land from and secure Age. It blew up in your face, like it has every time before because you fail to understand what when you create an atmosphere where no ones word means anything or there is constantly ****play you get ****ed as much as everyone. Those razes by another KD you pissed off right when you didnt need it and costing your war vs Pyro is no ones fault but your own. Same with you CF and notice deal that Elit and you guys like to act like someone forced you into or tried to vulture you. You never had to agree to CF or anything else for that matter, to state otherwise and try to play the victim just makes you look pathetic. Sheesh.

[Proteus]

Clean and fair includes hitting in to war according to AMA?

Excellent news everybody!



Early posts in the thread state Pyro and Havoc CF's with AMA ended at the same time. So how could Havoc notice AMA in hostile/war with Pyro?

What they were saying was if they noticed AMA for war and AMA and Pyro went to war, they would hit in. Something AMA did in earlier ages and have argued is acceptable practice.

If that was the case then AMA would have hit into ED's war last age when we controlled the top after they vultured us and arranged back-to-back fakewars to run and avoid having their cow farmed. Ultimately it was Fratzia that had hit into ED's war and not us even though we were screwed over by abuse of game mechanics to protect hit-and-run stolen cow acres.

How is it justifable to tell someone you are going to hit them regardless of what they are doing? A kingdom has multiple options regarding who they can fight and CFs are often arranged that way at times, if one kingdom wants to fight someone they cn serve notice like everyone else, check if their target is in hostile/war at end of notice, and if they are then they have to wait....Giving advanced notice 1 week early and telling other kd not to fight anyone else because "we are coming regardless" is clear dealbreak.

[guard14n]

Clean and fair includes hitting in to war according to AMA?

Excellent news everybody!



Early posts in the thread state Pyro and Havoc CF's with AMA ended at the same time. So how could Havoc notice AMA in hostile/war with Pyro?

What they were saying was if they noticed AMA for war and AMA and Pyro went to war, they would hit in. Something AMA did in earlier ages and have argued is acceptable practice.

You see nothing wrong with ur post? rly? No dealbreaking, no bullying form Havoc side, no threatening? Or is it ok to notice a notice and say u gonna 2v1 no matter what the other kd will do. See a doctor, delete acc, sue ur folks or something. o.0

[Proteus]

there is no difference, ****play is ****play. Only person who threatened to power-play you or threatened you with 2 vs 1 was CR. Yet you ****play impacts KDs who did NOTHING to you and create even more enemies (ie Pyro). This is EXACT thing I explained last AGE, when instead of actioning a KD who you claimed intentionally farmed (which is what anymore who actually cared about fairplay would have done given the logic) but you actioned who you felt you could to gain some land from and secure Age. It blew up in your face, like it has every time before because you fail to understand what when you create an atmosphere where no ones word means anything or there is constantly ****play you get ****ed as much as everyone. Those razes by another KD you pissed off right when you didnt need it and costing your war vs Pyro is no ones fault but your own. Same with you CF and notice deal that Elit and you guys like to act like someone forced you into or tried to vulture you. You never had to agree to CF or anything else for that matter, to state otherwise and try to play the victim just makes you look pathetic. Sheesh.

You disregarded the bulk of my statement. There is a difference in ****play, if you get ****played FIRST it is clearly worse than reacting to that ****play and fighting fire with fire. The problem here is if you let people ****play you but do not punish them for doing so they will have no incentive to stop doing it. Perfect case was when Bio kept 2v1ing Rage and we would just farm them 1v1, they looked like crap getting farmed 2v1 but did it again a few ages later because they never got Gbed and punished for it.

Same thing here, AMA endured 3 ages of ****play before finally doing something about it and responding with ****play of their own. When Havoc 2v1ed AMA, they received a fair 1v1 war from AMA the following age. Did they enjoy the fair play and become motivated to play clean? NO. They threatened to 2v1 us again this age. As you can see playing clean with people who ****play does not work, they will just keep on doing it to you again and again.

Please explain how Pyro was hurt or impacted by this and should become an enemy? Last time I checked, we extended a CF to Pyro for their fight with Simians without trying to hit them immediately after war even though we were engaged after wars this age by both Pewpew and RBL. As Pyro belongs to the same alliance, we could have said well 2/3 kds fought us after war, why don't we fight Pyro after war to show them how annoying it is since none of you guys consider it to be vulture. But what did we do instead...we CFED Pyro and made no attempt to vulture them. There is a post earlier in this thread from nesta commenting on our move to cf them, he said to him it was an act/gesture of fairness & good play rather than anything else considering we had a chance to position ourselves being bigger than pyro after war with Simians and attempt vulture but we did not.

We also played fair and clean with pewpew and RBL this age. When we won our wars we cfed both kingdoms after wars although they still had cow acres we can take and we did not force a B2B war on any of those kingdoms although we were not happy about being engaged immediately after war by both kingdoms as it is generally a ****ty situation to be found in and many consider it vulturing and it has been known to create grudges in the past.

So again how did we hurt pyro? Did we steal crown from pyro through ****play? No. Pyro was #2 and recently explored with minimal gc stacks compared to havoc and would need to fight and win either 1 or 2 wars to win. We did not steal a province crown form RBL either because whoever won the cow fight in AMA vs. Havoc, AMA vs. Pyro, or Havoc vs. Pyro would win the province crown, rather than a kingdom sitting outside of war.

If anything Pyro actually has a chance to crown *now* rather than being hurt by it.

[Crunch]

maxi godly and CR are trying to make deals with the same ghettos they talked down to and mistreated all age. now in a attempt to prevent from being hit when they are conspiring with rage/pyro/pew/monkeyman to GB ama...

ghettos unite!!! don't fall for their lies.. and their fake cf or hand of friendship... CR/Havoc are in a dirty alliance that needs to be exterminated if utopia is to thrive again... these rogue kds and players are not your friends make them pay for this insult... if this dirty alliance tries to GB any kd... Utopia needs to rise up and attack them let your voice be heard through your actions..

[guard14n]

Even tho he is my teammate i rarely agree with Proteus' posts... But this one is spot on!

[PhoenixScorpion]

You disregarded the bulk of my statement. There is a difference in ****play, if you get ****played FIRST it is clearly worse than reacting to that ****play and fighting fire with fire. The problem here is if you let people ****play you but do not punish them for doing so they will have no incentive to stop doing it. Perfect case was when Bio kept 2v1ing Rage and we would just farm them 1v1, they looked like crap getting farmed 2v1 but did it again a few ages later because they never got Gbed and punished for it.

Same thing here, AMA endured 3 ages of ****play before finally doing something about it and responding with ****play of their own. When Havoc 2v1ed AMA, they received a fair 1v1 war from AMA the following age. Did they enjoy the fair play and become motivated to play clean? NO. They threatened to 2v1 us again this age. As you can see playing clean with people who ****play does not work, they will just keep on doing it to you again and again.

Please explain how Pyro was hurt or impacted by this and should become an enemy? Last time I checked, we extended a CF to Pyro for their fight with Simians without trying to hit them immediately after war even though we were engaged after wars this age by both Pewpew and RBL. As Pyro belongs to the same alliance, we could have said well 2/3 kds fought us after war, why don't we fight Pyro after war to show them how annoying it is since none of you guys consider it to be vulture. But what did we do instead...we CFED Pyro and made no attempt to vulture them. There is a post earlier in this thread from nesta commenting on our move to cf them, he said to him it was an act/gesture of fairness & good play rather than anything else considering we had a chance to position ourselves being bigger than pyro after war with Simians and attempt vulture but we did not.

We also played fair and clean with pewpew and RBL this age. When we won our wars we cfed both kingdoms after wars although they still had cow acres we can take and we did not force a B2B war on any of those kingdoms although we were not happy about being engaged immediately after war by both kingdoms as it is generally a ****ty situation to be found in and many consider it vulturing and it has been known to create grudges in the past.

So again how did we hurt pyro? Did we steal crown from pyro through ****play? No. Pyro was #2 and recently explored with minimal gc stacks compared to havoc and would need to fight and win either 1 or 2 wars to win. We did not steal a province crown form RBL either because whoever won the cow fight in AMA vs. Havoc, AMA vs. Pyro, or Havoc vs. Pyro would win the province crown, rather than a kingdom sitting outside of war.

If anything Pyro actually has a chance to crown *now* rather than being hurt by it.

I did not ignore most of your post, simply feel it has been beat to death and no use beating a dead horse. How can you not see that if you had instead came to us and asked for support and some kind input instead of escalating the situation you would have crowned with full support of even us. Instead only Pyro was approached because like I said it wasnt about fair play really or even addressing CR it was about you being prideful and expecting to gloat after beating Pyro then Havoc. Instead one of your other ppl you have ****played came back and served you up some of your revenge you seem to enjoy so much. This time like every Age since I have been back AMA once again has pissed off so many KDs that even when they arent working together they rather each other win than you. Simians was even supporting you up until you did this. You have basically made sure it is impossible for any KD to trust any deal you make. If you honestly believe that you deal-breaking Havoc does not impact Pyro you are just being silly.

[Humanoize]

Maybe you miss my long post about age overall. There was 4 kds in land chart yr 0 and all was cfed. Pew Pew/Pyro refused to cf us and efective block our kd from explore/pump/random for half age after it rage jumped us after 5 weeks pump. Afterr our war with pew pew pyro cfed us and after our war with rage pyro extend his cf with us beore his war with Simians so there wont be vulture from our side. I dont see any bad diplo from our side. Rage/Pyro/Pew cfed for this long Havc because wanted them to slow us. Basicaly we had all 4 kds going after land chart team up vs 1 kd all age.
After CR state in forum they notice us and we cant war other kd i asked CJ if we get double hostile are pyro going to help us. Didn't get positive answer. Try to imagine how are feel ppl in my kd after age ike this where every one is look for cheap way to hurt us and get acres. Did we get any fair chance all age?
Stop look over your side story only and look objective over all picture.

I understand all that Elit and I agree it is a terrible position to be in for your kingdom. But still besides acting cocky and arrogant in the forums from some CR players, I still think they ve played by the moral rules. I dont see why you have the right to break the cease fire with CR. From my point of view it is not ethical to break an agreement both kd's made earlier in the age. Especially with CR being so underdrafted.

I dont like the way some players in CR are behaving in this forum as well, but untill your wave they had the best strategy this age and deserved to be first place. It must be annoying for you that they ve manipulated other kingdoms in slowing you down, but imo its not an excuse to put a knive in their back as you did now.

I am in Pyro this age and we were in a simular situation as your kingdom. We also had no chance of winning the age, even if somehow we would win our war vs your kingdom. But if cJ and Nesta would have pulled a simular move, I d immediatly abandon my account, because I dont want to win this way.

Just because you are AMA, doesnt mean other rules apply to your kingdom. Overall I ve lost a lot of respect for your kingdom and thats a shame. Because I know you are probably the best kingdom on the server. But its like sports. The best doesnt always win. And in my opinion you should respect that at all times and try harder next age. Maybe you also need 'deals' with other kingdoms to slow your biggest threath down? But this is not the way man.

[guard14n]

maxi godly and CR are trying to make deals with the same ghettos they talked down to and mistreated all age. now in a attempt to prevent from being hit when they are conspiring with rage/pyro/pew/monkeyman to GB ama...

ghettos unite!!! don't fall for their lies.. and their fake cf or hand of friendship... CR/Havoc are in a dirty alliance that needs to be exterminated if utopia is to thrive again... these rogue kds and players are not your friends make them pay for this insult... if this dirty alliance tries to GB any kd... Utopia needs to rise up and attack them let your voice be heard through your actions..

Mate the thing is we will ensure that havoc doesnt crown. If the alliance interfere it will end up in all out world utopian war and the winner will be the kd that justs pumps and stay out of it :D it works for me.