CR vs AMA

[PhoenixScorpion]

You disregarded the bulk of my statement. There is a difference in ****play, if you get ****played FIRST it is clearly worse than reacting to that ****play and fighting fire with fire. The problem here is if you let people ****play you but do not punish them for doing so they will have no incentive to stop doing it. Perfect case was when Bio kept 2v1ing Rage and we would just farm them 1v1, they looked like crap getting farmed 2v1 but did it again a few ages later because they never got Gbed and punished for it.

Same thing here, AMA endured 3 ages of ****play before finally doing something about it and responding with ****play of their own. When Havoc 2v1ed AMA, they received a fair 1v1 war from AMA the following age. Did they enjoy the fair play and become motivated to play clean? NO. They threatened to 2v1 us again this age. As you can see playing clean with people who ****play does not work, they will just keep on doing it to you again and again.

Please explain how Pyro was hurt or impacted by this and should become an enemy? Last time I checked, we extended a CF to Pyro for their fight with Simians without trying to hit them immediately after war even though we were engaged after wars this age by both Pewpew and RBL. As Pyro belongs to the same alliance, we could have said well 2/3 kds fought us after war, why don't we fight Pyro after war to show them how annoying it is since none of you guys consider it to be vulture. But what did we do instead...we CFED Pyro and made no attempt to vulture them. There is a post earlier in this thread from nesta commenting on our move to cf them, he said to him it was an act/gesture of fairness & good play rather than anything else considering we had a chance to position ourselves being bigger than pyro after war with Simians and attempt vulture but we did not.

We also played fair and clean with pewpew and RBL this age. When we won our wars we cfed both kingdoms after wars although they still had cow acres we can take and we did not force a B2B war on any of those kingdoms although we were not happy about being engaged immediately after war by both kingdoms as it is generally a ****ty situation to be found in and many consider it vulturing and it has been known to create grudges in the past.

So again how did we hurt pyro? Did we steal crown from pyro through ****play? No. Pyro was #2 and recently explored with minimal gc stacks compared to havoc and would need to fight and win either 1 or 2 wars to win. We did not steal a province crown form RBL either because whoever won the cow fight in AMA vs. Havoc, AMA vs. Pyro, or Havoc vs. Pyro would win the province crown, rather than a kingdom sitting outside of war.

If anything Pyro actually has a chance to crown *now* rather than being hurt by it.

I did not ignore most of your post, simply feel it has been beat to death and no use beating a dead horse. How can you not see that if you had instead came to us and asked for support and some kind input instead of escalating the situation you would have crowned with full support of even us. Instead only Pyro was approached because like I said it wasnt about fair play really or even addressing CR it was about you being prideful and expecting to gloat after beating Pyro then Havoc. Instead one of your other ppl you have ****played came back and served you up some of your revenge you seem to enjoy so much. This time like every Age since I have been back AMA once again has pissed off so many KDs that even when they arent working together they rather each other win than you. Simians was even supporting you up until you did this. You have basically made sure it is impossible for any KD to trust any deal you make. If you honestly believe that you deal-breaking Havoc does not impact Pyro you are just being silly.