CR vs AMA

[PhoenixScorpion]

have to disagree.. it was not to win a crown but to try to prevent a dishonorable action by a dishonorable kd.. somewhat similar to when zauper tried to save peppie from HaLL. except ama was able to do it all by themselves. anyone who can't admire that can't be true to themselves...

Had CR/Havoc not deal break and threaten, taunt and antagonize ama with the very real threat of 2 on 1 if ama was to war pyro. none of this would have happened... CR would have probably won the crown and escaped the criticism of the despicable act of **** playing the entire server.. But thankfully munk deal broke by created this nasty tread to once again miss treat and antagonize honorable Utopians. it backfired for one reason CR/Havoc does not represent ethical fair play nor top play in this game any longer.. the mask has been removed and CR/Havoc true colors have been shown for all to see..

still now you have CR/Havoc and now dirty rage/pyro/pew/simians threatening ama with GB.. none could beat ama in fair wars so they resort to killing ama anyway they can.. very sad for Utopia as the real enemy to fair play and majority of despicable acts toward Utopians has always come from rage(after asf) and pyro.. now CR and zauper and as well..

I don't see it about crown.. I see it as a dishonorable rogue kd got what they deserved..

I am glad that someone has a firm grasp on the state of affairs. Faith in Utopia restored.

[faegan]

Suuure you will do the same thing havoc did ... without the part that actually started this - nice my friend nice your logic is flawless. U see the whole thing is cuz of the premature notice and the whole thing is cuz of the bullying.

Like I said: the premature notice was a dumb move. It in no means meant that you weren't going to be able to fight Pyro. When I say I would do the same thing, I was speaking about putting pressure on you to hand over some goodies in return for letting you fight Pyro.

We'll never know if CR would have double hostiled you....

So you claim AMA's actions are because of:
1. Premature notice
2. Bullying.

Let me address both issues.

Premature Notice
Yup, premature notice is a no-no. But....
They gave you what, 192h (or 168h ?) notice? Seriously....?! You have issues with someone serving you 192h notice? You did know that CR was going to come knocking January 1st YR9, right? I don't see an issue; they gave you a heads up and offered to re-negotiate early. If anything, they were nice enough to offer you EOWCF+96h... No matter how awful a deal that would have been, CR was in a position where they could just farm you or claim acres for extended CF. Now, I am not saying that's a nice thing to do, but they were the #1 kingdom....what were they supposed to do? Give you a chance at a fair (even) fight and throwing away the advantages they gained over the past 8 weeks? Nope, they want to win....

Bullying
Top kingdoms have bullied ghettos for as long as I can remember. Just some ghettos defend themselves (Outplayerz & Remote). Only difference is that ghettos don't tend to have CF deals with the top kingdoms. So AMA was a ghetto with a badly timed CF in this story. Sucks to be on the receiving end doesn't it?

For fair play rules, please find maximouse's post in this thread. I'm pretty sure he has a copy :)

[topsy's revenge]

The issue is they didn't want us knocking at that time faegan. Ultiamtely we offered to not come to them at all as long as if they beat pyro they'd war us after. They rejected this offer.

[faegan]

AMA did not expect to be doubled by Havoc and Sanc either and trusted the leaders of those kingdoms but you did it anyways. Same time again this age you were trusted to play fair but then you claimed dibs and effectively gave notice in advance and threatened 2v1 if we hit any other kingdom.

(04:46:15) 02(@Gacib) and here is diplo dorje to the rescue
(04:46:19) 02(@phonegoodz) Probably used most their stealth on sanc
(04:46:19) 02(@Gacib) either way - gb not needed
(04:46:21) 02(~dorje) i'm not doing any diplo
(04:46:26) 02(~dorje) if you want some diplo, go do it
(04:46:34) 02(~dorje) but don't say "we ****ed up" when we did not, in fact, **** up
(04:46:39) 02(@phonegoodz) But it will likely hurt a ton next wave
(04:46:51) 02(~dorje) mom ****ed up, again, and would deserve to be 2v1'd for it
(04:46:57) 02(@Nick_mi) ^
(04:47:06) 02(@Megas) exactly
(04:47:06) 02(%brado|phone) So 2v1 them
(04:47:17) 02(~dorje) sounds good

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More to come, I will post more 2v1 logs for every bull**** post you make, keep them coming.

Ancient history, no relevance to this age.

[faegan]

The issue is they didn't want us knocking at that time faegan. Ultiamtely we offered to not come to them at all as long as if they beat pyro they'd war us after. They rejected this offer.

That's because they weren't going to beat Pyro* and were just going to get farmed by you.

* The edited part: not after eating Remote's razes.

[Elit]

For all this is guilty zauper! He let n00bs over his kd take decisions over our diplo. This was bad move but fatal mistake was this topic from munk and extremely arrogant post from Godly how: he wont allow us more farming. You got for free 17k acres from simians when we war all age from huge disadvantage for get land.
All this topic and talk pissed off complete our kd and same time we got razes from ghetto. I don't believe in this random timing too...

Calling dibs in forum,say you will double hostile us when our cf is not expired is no less lame move from what we did. Next main problems is when i asked CJ for help if we get 2vs1 he didn't gave me positive answer. So we had left with no good option and again from **** play. What bad we did this age for deserve it? Or what bad we did last age? I simple cant understand why ppl every age need to make ****s when they become close to crown and loss his mind.
Basically we had 3 main options after all this.
1. Give free land Pyro and go retal war havoc and secure age win for pyro.
2. land-drop and leave pyro with 0 chances for win age and havoc win.
3. Deal broke havoc and take them down.

My kingdom choice last option and i can bet any kd in same situation will make same.
About GB us. Most like pyro and rage will make some move. They expected from us to take havoc down and after it drop acres and give FREE age win for pyro and FREE province win for Rage. Same time they stay clean and we are bad guys.
Why every one is so smart? :P

[RawStuff]

You got pushed in a corner and reacted with lame backstabbing. End of the story. Btw how much did you bet on your 3 options things? Cause I wouldnt have chosen the option3. what do i win?

btw you got razed because you didnt ahve nego with them... doesnt seem to matter when, still your fault for not doing anything about it before

Btw would like to understand whats the big problem with noticing a notice. As a popcorn eater and enjoying this thread, this quetion still bother me. Whats so bad about noticing a notice? it seems to give more time for the kd in question to prepare or start nego, also doesnt affect the kds in question. Sure doing it in forum seems lame. thks for explanations in advance!

[StratOcastle]

I'm not sure Pyro is impatient. They are only in their 2nd age in this quagmire. I agree it's usually wise to strike when the iron's hot, but in tops these actions equal sh*tplay. AMA-PB actions were opportunistic and solid if just 12-13 spots lower.
It's the diplo up there that is an antiquity of more honorable times. No longer understood as anything but a curiosity like a music box.

[faegan]

...fatal mistake was this topic from munk and extremely arrogant post from Godly...

So nothing happened in-game huh? Howcome these two forums posts have such great effect on your kingdom's performance? These two posts taunted/threatened AMA, but dealbreaking can only be done in-game. Until then, it's just innuendo.

I really had growing respect for AMA...but this just can't be justified. You got outplayed by CR this age and trying to spin it by saying you had it oh-so-difficult because you chose to war this age is just silly. Noone forced you to play "warring" this age, it was your own choice.

[faegan]

Just realized something.... Remote's ghetto cost AMA the chance to win anything this age... that must seriously hurt! A ghetto owning the kingdom with the most experienced players ... all because someone was too proud to say "sorry".

[Elit]

So nothing happened in-game huh? Howcome these two forums posts have such great effect on your kingdom's performance? These two posts taunted/threatened AMA, but dealbreaking can only be done in-game. Until then, it's just innuendo.

I really had growing respect for AMA...but this just can't be justified. You got outplayed by CR this age and trying to spin it by saying you had it oh-so-difficult because you chose to war this age is just silly. Noone forced you to play "warring" this age, it was your own choice.

Noting in-game yes. We still have CF. All propose from this topic was build reason for double hostile us if we try war Pyro and force us gave them free acres for war pyro. Its not how diplo work. For example our deal include no notice in hostile/war/post war. If we notice other kd and have hostile Havoc cant notice us based to deal terms but with this topic they kinda serve us notice before CF expired and its breack our deal terms.

And about justice. Im not Justice it, just explain why its happen. Havoc had very good chances for win age if just sited and hold till pyro and ama war. Its clear both from us planed to give his best for win war but no one had big advantage over other so result wont be with big margin for 1 side and its secure for Havoc keep his huge advantage over winer and get age win.

[RawStuff]

understand the notice in this cf deal.
but anyway you still had your war with pyro in the end but didnt want to do it anymore because of the razes since your chances were lower. But that part aint CR fault, it is yours i believe.

[Elit]

understand the notice in this cf deal.
but anyway you still had your war with pyro in the end but didnt want to do it anymore because of the razes since your chances were lower. But that part aint CR fault, it is yours i believe.

Razes on cows was bad but easy for fix if we wanted. Our CF with pew pew was expired and we can notice them and farmed cows after notice expire. 1 week is enough time for it. Or we can "tax" some one right before war with pyro :P
If you think pyro war win was sure you are wrong. We wanted and planed to war pyro till Havoc made all mess. After it we decide there wont be war with pyro when we cant get fair war.

[Maximouse]

I hate having to quote my own posts here but how about you respond to those elit instead if trying to keep spinning some funny story. You had a lot more then 3 options, but like you said yourself your goal was to crown and that limited your options in your mind.
Option 4 would have been to take our offer, war pyro, get 8 days to prep then war us. You didnt like that option cause you felt it wouldnt give you a chance to crown.
In your mind only deal breaking could give you crown and you now hope nobody stands up against you.

So just say it like it is. You chose to deal break us cause you wanted to crown. Not because you had no other options at all, not because of something somebody did 4 ages ago, or 5 ages, or 1 age ago.
You did it cause you wanted to crown pure and simple.

[Humanoize]

Age 60 goal: Big Secret.

lol :)