Quote Originally Posted by American Badass View Post
@Palem, with the attitude "don't try it wont work" nothing in the human existence would ever have gone forward. Not trying is the easy way out and like many others have said your posts could be on borderline trolling.
I swear to god it's like you guys don't even read my posts. I'll let you have another go at it, maybe you'll get the gist of it the second time around. Also, people posting that are in disagreement with you isn't trolling. It's called having a discussion. You know, that thing that forum threads are actually for.

Quote Originally Posted by Proteus View Post
I disagree here, personally when leading i would try to outplay the competition by being and playing smarter through use of superior strategy and positioning, not by playing dirty and dong questionable things...thats for people who are not good enough to beat someone 1v1 and look for loopholes to double hostile said kd, etc.

The purpose of this thread was to highlight the most pervasive use of lame play we have seen in the recent ages. None of this stuff is new but as you know certain strategies and ways of playing tend to fall out of favor only to come back again. The biggest problem I've seen in the post-Abs era is the use of dibs and dictating what others should do under threat of 2v1 and intentional blatant farmout to chart shape. No one enjoys being on the receiving end of this and hopefully by discussing it people can avoid doing it, or if they do it at least enough people will know its bad and will intervene if they see it happening.
That's what every utopian tries to do first. There is always a backup plan though. You're basically saying that Elit is a ****ty player for breaking CF and waving CR. There is nothing wrong with trying to snatch victory from the hands of defeat. There is nothing wrong with mediocre kds being clever and grabbing a win from a much better kd (look at SWEA, for example). Most importantly, there is nothing wrong with threatening other kds that you're going to do something bad.

There is something wrong with playing a manner that actively ruins people's experience for no real productive reason. There are some bad forces in the game right now, but they're not threats and questionable play. If you want to start somewhere, start with what is clearly the worst thing to happen to the game, chartshaping. It's not clever play, it's not a way to get yourself victory. It's just spiteful play that's aimed at making sure someone else loses because you couldn't win.