AMA & BB ruin the game

[Crunch]

Sorry protector, your misinformed yet again. We are friendly with rbl indeed. But CF with pew2 only came after they approached us for it, which was after our 2 wars I think and during our hostiles that emidiately followed those wars. It was around the same time we asked bb and ama if CF's were an option or not.

Last age we had 0 allies or friends. We just played the age pretty oldschool whoring style. CF all that might pose a threat early on. Let everybody fight eachother and whore away and pump. We did that without allies. Without coordinating with anybody. Without making a pact with anybody to block any KD. And unlike the conspiracy theory claims, without multies or whatever crap got posted by elit and others.

How that is not different from the 2 self proclaimed strongest kd's in the game having a pact against the 3rd kd, and those 2 kd's actualy timing notices and waves so that they help eachother against everybody else near them (sure, there isnt any coordination. Its just pure luck the timing is soo good, right?) is beyond me.

Is AMA ruining the game? No
Is BB ruining the game? No

Their refusal to fight eachother and the amount of coordinated actions against clearly weaker opponents is though. And its a shame neither KD can see that. But its not really ruining the game I guess. Its just effecting the topplay.

spoken like the true hypocrite you are... how convenient to leave out the part where you and your lamer allies in fake rage conceived the gb of ama to escape the 1 on 1 war you know you could not win otherwise..

[Maximouse]

And here is my number 1 fan again. Impressive to keep making posts that even make proteus look like a sane person:). And sorry, even PS would be more worth responding to then you. Try gathering facts before making more accusations:)

[KuhaN]

I am serious that I think it is disgusting to take advantage of the bounce mechanics that the developers refuse to fix because Bishop does not understand that it is a problem and no matter how many times people point it out, it does not get through to him. This means, to most of you that it is legal and therefore should be used.

I don't abuse it. I have never abused it. I find the way that others blithely do disgusting. The "top" does and likes to abuse things. It just something I don't understand. Its like the kids that abuse methods of getting enemies stuck in First Person Shooter games like half-life so they don't have to actually try to do the boss fight. Its just sad. While I can understand the desire to abuse things when you are incapable of winning any other way, the desire to do so when you have every advantage, you have talked to Tox and you know he is CHOOSING not to run away, and all the other things that led up to this, bouncing was just a scumtastic move. Its ok though, all your buddies back you up and think its straight up play for the top. So feel fine. I just was never into abusing cheap loopholes and bugs and things of that nature. I think people who do are like the little cheat kiddies.

It is conduct like yours that turns people off to playing this game. That you and those like you can't see that, is why ultimately the developers won't be able to save utopia. If you and your kingdom could curb your selfishness and have confidence in your abilities to compete without abusing mechanics, I might have some shred of respect for your kingdom, but I don't.

From what I can tell, AMA, BB and CR all think it is pro tactics to abuse mechanics. When one of them crosses the line they get labeled cheaters, the others (who are just happy they did not get tagged) like to get on the bandwagon and call the third cheaters. You are all like 5-year-olds with your made up rules and "this is how you have to play if you want to grow up and play with us" attitude. You all change the rules to whatever you want them to be so that you win instead of playing within the rules. I won't even mention the laughable concept of the spirit of the rules as none of you have any concept of the spirit of the rules.

You all make a part of me very sad because of the number of players in your ranks that I had thought of as friends. Some mentored me long ago. Many are players that I mentored. That they can play with you all in this farce is a disappointment to me. I am sure you all like to call this whining, or QQ or whatever. I disagree. While some of my posts were pretty over the top (its the internet /me shrugs) I have to say I just honestly find the lack of what I think of as the common gamer ethos in the top shocking. Now, I am old, so I grew up gaming when we rolled dice on table tops at each other and people who bent the rules all the time were just not invited back. We all were friends and shared a beer as we pushed our little mini's around and what not. This combination of internet tough guy and abuse that I see here is just truly sad. Would any of you treat people like this around a gaming table?

(This is a good point to respond to Korp's misunderstanding of the "I spit on you" comment, it is a movie reference..... it was a joke..... but perhaps too old pp culture for some to understand.)

Its funny because my kids who are teens were interested in trying utopia. I would love to have shared the good things in the game with them. I will tell you all quite honestly, I turned them away from it. What this game has become is largely among the worst that gaming has to offer. I would not recommend learning or trying this game to anyone. I have only stayed this long because of a desire to talk to long term friends. Sadly, I almost never get to anymore we have all dispersed to so many other kingdoms. If it were not for that I would have been gone long ago. I probably should have just stayed happily retired after a very good age with monolith in age 34.

So look, let me bury all the bull**** and posturing and ask you all this simple thing. If you wanted to bring people into competition in this game and you wanted them to have a good time and stay, how would you treat them? If we all could start treating each other like that, instead of with the shabbiness that I see in these forums every day and in the KD-KD interactions every day, I think there is a chance to save this game. I never see anything as bad as this in any other online strategy environment. I don't see it with axis and allies (talk about an old game), I don't see it in Civ, etc. The only place you see this kind of treatment and abuse of mechanics is where all of the good players have left and all that is left behind is the crap. As I am still here, I would like to think that we all are better than crap. If we all could start playing together like we WANT to play together, this could become a good game again. At least I think it could.

Fwiw, i understand what you're trying to say, and you're sharing some of that wisdom with us all which is good and people should listen. But I think what you're asking for is impossible to achieve.

In every game you'll find "tryhards", these are the players at the very top, and even in small communities they try to take advantage of the smallest loopholes to gain edges. Maybe it's testosterone to win, or whatever, i dunno but it's just part of the human psych. Find me a game, or a community rather, where people do not exploit game mechanics in order to win and i'll be very surprised.


Still though, nice effort to spread some of that wisdom with all of us, don't think it'll change anything but maybe will understand when they're older ;)

[Crunch]

And here is my number 1 fan again. Impressive to keep making posts that even make proteus look like a sane person:). And sorry, even PS would be more worth responding to then you. Try gathering facts before making more accusations:)

another deal break from you i see.. didn't you promise some 100 posts back you would not respond to me or proteus ... big problem you have breaking deals...

[Sheister]

Ouch.... Mean Kuhan

Lol

[KuhaN]

Ouch.... Mean Kuhan

Lol

Naw, you make a good point though, but it's just human nature in order to win no matter what, which is sad yeah. Think of it this way, if people could cheat without anybody ever finding out in order to win, how many people would cheat? I'd say a lot of people would cheat...

You only stop going with human nature when you stop caring about what other people think and only start judging yourself. If everybody judged themselves and their own actions then you'll probably see less abuse in games and stuff, but that's not the case.

Am i doing what's right? Am i a peice of chit? Am i pathetic and cowardly for doing this? Am i loser? These are the types of questions people need to ask themselves before they do anything, and then maybe we'll see less "tryhards" and stuff.

Personally, that's another reason i like being just a peon and following orders in this game. I don't think i'd ever get #1 leading because i wouldn't be able to do peice of chit moves to other people, atleast in this point of my life. Also lack of experience and all that counts also :)

[Maximouse]

another deal break from you i see.. didn't you promise some 100 posts back you would not respond to me or proteus ... big problem you have breaking deals...

I think I said something like, neither of you was worth responding to due to the amount of false facts and bs that came along with both your posts. But unlike you, proteus atleast understands how the game works (to some degree).
Your just a pissed of ghetto player that didnt like his monarch sticking up for his KD instead of for you. You played solo in a teamgame, payed the price for that, and are butthurt ever since. Doesnt matter if I create world war 3 or bring world peace. You will hate anything I do or say just cause its me doing it or saying it. No point in agrueing with you as a result of that.

[Chrystal Palace]

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

[Crunch]

I think I said something like, neither of you was worth responding to due to the amount of false facts and bs that came along with both your posts. But unlike you, proteus atleast understands how the game works (to some degree).
Your just a pissed of ghetto player that didnt like his monarch sticking up for his KD instead of for you. You played solo in a teamgame, payed the price for that, and are butthurt ever since. Doesnt matter if I create world war 3 or bring world peace. You will hate anything I do or say just cause its me doing it or saying it. No point in agrueing with you as a result of that.

clueless as usual u r...

[BungArm]

This thread needs more hugs.
or kidnappings... followed by hugs.

This game has far greater issues than these two kingdoms.

[PhoenixScorpion]

Sorry PS, your bs isnt worth responding to.

Facts are facts. Call it what you will. Fine by me.

[munk]

will people please respect that it is Eurovision Song Contest in Copenhagen today... thank you.

[Palem]

This thread needs more hugs.
or kidnappings... followed by hugs.

This game has far greater issues than these two kingdoms.

[DM_Benjamin]

Contrary to popular belief, I actually voted no.

Sure it makes it difficult to get on top with them being friendly and not warring but it gives us something to aim for. People need to chill out a bit, starting with me!

[PhoenixScorpion]

And here is my number 1 fan again. Impressive to keep making posts that even make proteus look like a sane person:). And sorry, even PS would be more worth responding to then you. Try gathering facts before making more accusations:)

Mentioning me in your posts when I am not the topic of discussion is even better ;)