Quote Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam View Post
First off, I am not an admin.

As for the cf between Bart's kingdom and my kingdom, early age we had all of the top 4 provinces with two of them being avian tacticians with high offense. Bart had explored dwarves with low military and little offense threat. We were perfectly happy to just farm them, but Bart of course was not happy with this. He stated that if we did not EoA cf him, then he would get his friend kingdoms to gb us. Bart also said he didn't care about #1 province and wasn't going for it anyway and so he was happy to agree to not compete against us for it if we just gave him an EOA cf instead of farming him.

It's really quite strange that some think it is somehow against a game rule to give a weaker kingdom a free cf deal instead of farming them with the simple condition that they don't use that free cf deal to go for #1 province. Diplomacy is and has always been a large part of what utopia was intended to be about and deals similar to that are made all the time for the benefit of both parties.
there is a huge difference between saying we make a cf til yr 6 for example and saying we give you eoacf but you can't compete for ranks

the first may or may not influence the charts but definitely does not influence charts directly
the second clearly directly influences the charts , hence why I call it chart shaping, which is hopefully against the rules, if not, it should be

and again...just because tom , dick and harry have done it and got away with it doesn't make it okay. Try telling a police officer he shouldn't give you a speeding ticket because the car ahead of you drove above the limit too...