funny how your proposal was agreed to from our side before you go away, then you go away and your side rejects your proposal that we agreed to and instead continues the gb and trad march farming.
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funny how your proposal was agreed to from our side before you go away, then you go away and your side rejects your proposal that we agreed to and instead continues the gb and trad march farming.
Lets start with happy birthday! Hope u had an awesome day and good luck reading up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
I think it's actually your problem. Your whole cause is starting to make you look like scumbags.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
I've lost a lot of respect for BB and FS over this. sAD
still spewing the same lies i see... It is clear you and your side have no remorse and you will never learn.. the only plan was emoreti getting their allied ghetto abs friend to raze a competitor and than perpetrate a massive cover up with 89 pages of lies and deceptive statements. the one regret most of us have is that you are not playing. and now where is that ghetto friend of yours parked in vm so he can multi from another prov?Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
this has not gone far enough not until the remaining 37k acres vanish
You are right, I didn't have all the facts about this and it's something your kingdom has tried to hide during this so it wasn't easy to get your side of the facts. The kingdom that BB helped you with told me that last age BB helped you gb them by bounce waving their bigs down. If it was only 1 big that BB bounced down for you then perhaps calling it a gb was overstating it. Regardless, you did owe BB for helping you and obviously have a close relationship with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
QFT, those posts were quite despicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
Your respect is yours to give, I wont presume to tell you what to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Palem
But I dont think FS did anything bad. As I see things BB got powerplayed and decided to fight it out, fullout and gloves off. We decided they had cause for it and when multiple KD's started steping in so did we. On the side we belived was right.
You are taking moral high ground and judging us based on actions in the aftermath of the fight, its pretty lame to even call it GB tbh. This was fullout war from both side with plenty KD's involved.
Pyro got gb'ed to **** in thier war with Emeriti and so did FS in their war with outsiders, at one point we had like 2 alive attackers on 100 acres and nothing else.
Asf&crew pose like a victim here but they are not. They were the agressor and ****player initially and theres a trail of ruined KD's in their trail. I dont like that some of people on our side are looking to maximize the profit, but I also dont see the need to be "nice" and leniant to loosers in this war.
Respect is earned, not given.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUholHlmxYAQuote:
Originally Posted by citadela01
Happy birthday (belated) Flogger, keep up the just fight!
We never lied about being friendly with BB, its acknowledged even now in warforum with Emeriti, and I have already rebuked that claim about that so called gb once in this thread after you made it. You may have missed it but its definitely not our fault you (and jdorje) keep repeating it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Said KD double hostiled us into ED hostile, than into Stoner hostile, and in the end into Sleepy beatdown. I dont see why should we be ashamed for asking help in such situation, or BB for giving it. I also think we have been extremely leniant to them to settle for just forcing them to back off and not call for massive help to GB them down like we could have.
That does not mean we owed BB to help gb you. We only joined war after our LS was presented with logs of Emeriti council and we only acted defensivly initially by rk'ing Bours KD and staying out of your war with Pyro.
I am pretty sure (not 100%) we didnt interfered into your war until Bour/meep/outsiders steped in ... I dont remember exact timelines for all kd's involved.
Helping BB deal break and wave into active war is not acting defensively. That's just silly to even claim that. Also, Francis (is that you?) did deny being friendly with BB when I talked to him and pointed out how he will rob BB same as anyone else to try and prove it.
Hasnt this gone far enough yet? what happened to the CF deal that was "in place" and only needed prot's confirmation?
Again seeing everyone seems to ignore this question, did BB promise Pandas a chance for the crown if they helped out in the awar? - Not sure why this question keeps being ignored when it has a huge impact on crown race, I know cJs kingdom seems to have agreed on a notice things etc. but out of curiousity i wouldnt mind knowing this, because if BB are to enforce such things for alliance mates (friends), then thats as bad as Emeriti asking Bour to raze in to hinder opponents... Because essential thats what BB (if this is the case) are doing themselves.
My deffensive coment was referring to us initially only acting against your satellite KD's and not you. Obviously we soon got involved to full extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Francis's forum nick is Lord Sampuan, so no its not him. I consider BB friendly KD even if we aren't bff's and I dont know in which context would he denied that, youd have to ask him that.
I will say its true we steal from BB just like from anyone else, main difference beeing BB can get CF from us easily and for free once they tag up I guess, others typically have to sacrifice certain amount of gold for it.
Emeriti never asked Bour to raze to hinder any opponents. jdorje advised bour that he could threaten to raze to get a cf. Bour asked for a cf first and when his messages were ready but not replied to, he then razed and offered all land plus extra back for a cf right from the start. BB refused and he then also offered free gc and even a fake hostile to help BB vs emeriti. This is the #1 province trying to get a cf for himself and now what you do to try and hinder opponents.
I've long since thought to be one the most reasonable top leaders, not surprising y'all can't play nice while I'm away ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Bour razed into EOWCF exactly like the logs said he should do it. Coincidence, Right?Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
Love your spins, why the hell is anyone giving these dogs a CF?
It's not that hard to understand that Emeriti advised bour to try and get himself a cf and he could threaten to raze or actually raze if Bb wouldn't otherwise cf him to get his cf. Even flogger agrees that bour razed to try and get himself a cf and not to try and help Emeriti. Do you guys not feel your official reasons for this are good enough so you need to try and make up false ones?
Err No ASF, the logs shows he was TOLD to raze into EoWCF if no reply within 3 hours, and he did so..Quote:
Emeriti never asked Bour to raze to hinder any opponents. jdorje advised bour that he could threaten to raze to get a cf.
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It's bour that should be razing them
I dont think there is any point denying this ASF, it was ****play and lame even more so when its tried to be covered up.Quote:
give them at most 3 hours to respond
start killing if they don't answer or try to delay
That said i still dont think it was okay to dealbreak Emeriti, i would have just waved you into EoWCF if i was BB once your war with pyro was over.
Also Prot, flogger, Panda LS? did BB offer Panda a crown chance if they helped in the awar?
I am not denying anything that happened. Emeriti wanted Bour to get himself a cf as Bour himself also wanted. Emeriti told him that he could threaten to hit into post war if they refused. Cerberus_v666 later asked if he was going to get that cf and said in his opinion to give them 3h to respond then start killing if they don't answer or try to delay. Keep in mind that Bour is a former leader in Emeriti and Cerberus is a core member and not a leader and Bour has never taken commands from Cerb but certainly he can listen to advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
This is exactly what happened and what I said happened and apologized for long before any logs were posted. The part that some including you seem to be *wrong* about is claiming that Emeriti had him do it to hinder BB. That is simply false. Emeriti wanted bour to get himself a cf and not get farmed by BB. Bour asked for a cf, but his messages were read and not replied to. He then razed for 380 acres and immediately contacted Bb to offer them all razed land back plus extra for a cf. This is simply not what you do to "hinder" a kingdom and you are simply wrong if you think that's why it was done.
jdorje 6:19 PM
if we cf them, bour is dead
and that is bad for us
so if i were bour i'd go get the cf now
with threats of postwar hitting if they refuse
....
cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
gonna get that cf?
bour 7:42 PM
will try to get it
cerberusv6.66 7:42 PM
give them at most 3 hours to respond
start killing if they don't answer or try to delay
imo
cool so i guess it would be ok for me to post emorti intel here like a shared hit list like the one cerb used.. this is more convenient and gets more attention and no one needs to remember another address
ASF, theres a HUGE difference between could and should .. I think its cool you apologised but why does it have to be with a "but" behind, the fact is it was a ****ty thing to advice and even more ****e for an intelligent individual to act on something he fully understand was wrong, he even says himself it was a bad decision..
If your moral compass says its wrong and you do it because your influenced by friends, you do know the friend is part of it in a court of law, seeing they instigated it, I do think all this has gone overboard etc. it still doesnt change the fact that you still try and talk yourself out of a ****ty decision that you as a kingdom/alliance made and thereby hindering your opponent (which is what it was, no matter how many times you all post no).
TheOne thats some nice science, if they didnt manage to pump how come they got more average science then you? - their core can top feed and is clearly in a better position, if they can control your bank they are looking strong, if they got 6+ days then they can fairly easy grow their own cow or atleast 2 semi cows that will be a threat to yours if yours send out.
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Originally Posted by TheOne
Meanwhile you have cows with 800 bpa and 4 wpa raw. 555 mil. Go ahead and post the rest of our Intel compared to yours. Tell everyone our wpa. Yes we got schools on our provs that got safe (so, 5provs maybe? ) only about 24 hours ago? . None on anyone else. Why we don't have gc? Probably because we've been getting opped and our smalls were taking hits constantly and having to train. Stop leaving details out.
By the way is it okay to post Intel like this? I'll gladly post your kingdoms Intel
Correction: I don't think Emeriti was scared of us (certain members were, but they weren't your war leaders) and I don't think Emeriti wanted bour to hit because it would help emeriti crown. I don't think they were "blocking" for Emeriti (at first). Clearly the period where we just sat there for 3-4 days with no resolution was them effectively blocking us and emeriti made no attempts to stop that until I made a forum post.Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam
I think the entire idea of bour razing into our EoW was crafted from emeriti's leadership and had they been able to do it without being caught dorje and leshrak would have done it themselves. That much is clear with the logs. If emeriti's leadership had the appropriate ethics the province wouldn't have hit us to begin with, which is why this started, because one of them would have simply said "don't raze them"
I'm tired of this awar BS. I'm glad cj has a level head.
Pandas needs to drop the charade. Let's call a spade a spade. Pandas is BLATANTLY being fed acres, time, and protection from a fair fight in which they KNOW they would lose. It's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS you are being protected. This has gone beyond a simple wimp kd running from a fight into a sorry sack of teddy bears getting govt funded steroids and genetic enhancements to take over the WoL!
I think it's time someone answers Aranfein...
Your guy posted for the whole world to see how much gc my kingdom is carrying. and boom. next moment i see a huge plunder into my kingdom.
If you feel it's inappropriate to post your exact bpas, sure let me know. -> I decided to just edit them out. so no worries. I apologize if i posted those exact bpas initially
I have talked to Cheetzy 12hours ago on IRC, and am waiting a response from your side
[22:58:59] <Cheetzy> I never said it wasn't a fair offer
[22:59:08] <cJ> so what do you think of the suggestion of june 1st , yr 6 +6 days?
[22:59:33] <Cheetzy> I'll discuss with abs then come back to you
[22:59:40] <Cheetzy> Or whatever they want to be called
[22:59:43] <cJ> ok
I agree with all this and that's what was apologized for and offered beyond full compensation for both by bour and by emeriti.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aranfein
There is no disagreement with the events that happened, but I will disagree if you are going to try and imply/state false motivation for the events that occurred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cZ7ndjhhps
This is my kingdom's theme song for the next 2 weeks.
Anyone notices that there are 2 separate convo going in this thread? One between crazies vs Panda and emeriti vs emeriti haters?
Stop the talk. Come fight without your new found friends shielding you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkadian/Taylor
My understanding is that the period of 3-4 days without resolution resulted from you insisting on punishing Bour and having his age ended rather than "giving him what he wanted" which was a cf in exchange for giving free cow land to you. You can blame Emeriti for him hitting to begin with, but it doesn't seem reasonable to blame Emeriti for BB refusing to take the free land he offered from the start and just giving him a cf.Quote:
Originally Posted by flogger
The reason it took so long to resolve was because you insisted he intra raze his kd all down and agree to size caps of 1000 acres for his whole kd (who had the #1 province and several top 15 provinces at the time.) Your demands were unreasonable and that's why it took so long to resolve even though he eventually gave in to them. If you would have agreed to be reasonable with him, then you could have taken all land plus extra land back and cf'd and been done with it right away. The offer for all land back plus more free land was made before you even started drafting or anything else.
I'd tell people to get on topic, but it is kind of on topic. Their impending war is being delayed by the "a"warQuote:
Originally Posted by asdfghy
i don't play in panda but u certainly are a nit witQuote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
Cj, while we're talking Intel and apparently allowed to do so,
I'd also like to point out the fact that your kingdoms (crazies, the number 1 kingdom) big provs are sitting on 60 million gc with 1 tpa. Thats a lot of gc
ASF i wasnt implying, the fact is whether or not it was done to hinder your opponent, it still did, thats where i think we are not agreeing, maybe you think im accusing you of hindering them on purpose, all im saying is indirectly you did hinder them by advicin bour to do a stupid idea that should have been left behind, way before it was typed out in an IRC room...
You and me had a discussion about this which i wont go into details, but just from it being discussed people in Emeriti leadership should have had the common sense to stop this line of thoughts, before it go as far as executing it regardless of Bour doing it for himself or for Emeriti.
Pandas seem very much in position to top feed and to be in a fairly good position given they get the 6 days, i see no reason to complain there at all, Panda can easy ToG a lot of gc and explore up while still being on good science, only thing that will lack a bit is wpa, but running 80% guilds for 4 days while ToGing gc and drafting a bit of soldiers, then get soldier aid and be rdy for war on day 6.. with your science as sage if you add it all in crime/magic i think you'll find your mod wpa is as good as cJs cow...
thanks for target sharing. just like your guy did earlier saying we have a huge stock of gc (500+mil was it? i dont know my own intel), and we got plundered + stolen straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akkadian/Taylor
i wonder who started with the sharing of 'intel'.
and I dont recall a 'robbing the books' thievery op.
You guys are insane. Getting cows fbed down to 10k, 30k, and 35k pezzies. Getting LLed for thousands of acres, getting learned, nsed, oh yeah, that really helps our kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by *****up420
Isn't there an attack called learn?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOne
can you please explain to the community the 1 question you havent been able to answer.
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Originally Posted by Heiney
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Originally Posted by Heiney