Age 54 Potential Changes Rev II

Id really like to hear what some of you have to say about the proposed war hero. +50% gains from honor is just as much of a penalty as it is an advantage. When you do gain honor in this game, it's just like putting up a hit me sign. Which is fine, but when you go from count to knight in 6 TM hits with your army out, the population bonus you will loose is substantial. This will overpopulate your province fast. I suggested in it's place -50% honor loss from land attacks/ops. Honor is easy to obtain, but very hard to hold onto. What are your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Tightpants

Still makes them OP since it's a "do nothing" penalty.

edit: ethan how many times do i have to tell you those numbers are wrong

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exactly, as a do nothing attack penatly for fearies is serious, you cant use them for acres. Orcs cant use Ops. Thats a pretty darn good weakness compared to the other races. I cant see any kd winning a war without ops. wtv they are.

These people crying about sages must stop. Other personalities are much stronger now and a sage must sacrifice alot to pump science. In addition, it gives up alot of bonuses to be a sage and takes awhile to build up science. Sages get strong from mid age or after and have to play half the age with weaker provinces then almost any other. Also median size science is just horrible why dont you just take science out of the game !!!! if you dont want to pump your science then its your choice don't blame people that like science as it is the only true way to beef up your province in utopia, for taking the time and effort to do so

I think its just not to penalise ppl that like to war with ppl that dont war just to be whoring around and pump casually.

The war win bonuses is there to promote wars across the game, regardless of size and activity, and personally I'm all for it. I'm glad they dropped the win bonus a bit though.

I think sage is well balanced. Lose the free books per acre and increase science effectiveness. Just means they actually have to do a little more than just grow an insane amount.

As for people complaining about Faeries not having MS and it being a Mystic spell only...please get over it. There were ages past where MS was a Mystic spell only and people got on with the age just fine. And I'll admit, I rather enjoyed Faeries having all spells. Made Faery sages dominant TMs.

Although I said I was happy with all the changes earlier in tthis thread, the one thing I might voice my opinion about I'd make Human elites 6/5 and 600gc possibly? It was a bit of an over look on my end mainly because I don't interest.d on playing/running many/any Humans. Is the 6/5 too much seeing as you could go Human Sage with ToG and FoK?

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Originally Posted by Lordwarallied

all fearies i know have viscount min to Duke

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You don't know the faery circle? :(

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Originally Posted by Budlightyear

Agreed! Offense needs to be balanced with defense... if the fact that so many Faeries are Viscount and above says anything at all it's that as they are right now they have both.

I think as they are with these changes they should be fine, though. They lost some space efficiency, hence they can make the choice if that translates to lost WPA/TPA or lost defense when they run their province.

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It says that honor is a stupid, broken system that is easily abusable and can be exploited for absolutely retarded bonuses. It doesn't say anything about Faery.

and lol @ "choice". Here are your "choices" if you want to play an effective and productive Faery TM next age.


-Faery/Mystic, in a warring kd.


...and that's it.

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Originally Posted by Palem

You don't know the faery circle? :(



It says that honor is a stupid, broken system that is easily abusable and can be exploited for absolutely retarded bonuses. It doesn't say anything about Faery.

and lol @ "choice". Here are your "choices" if you want to play an effective and productive Faery TM next age.


-Faery/Mystic, in a warring kd.


...and that's it.

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The Faery circle will rise again!

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Originally Posted by Ahab

Agreed it makes a big difference, and mean would be preferable to median.

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Absolutely not. Median is brilliant, it's a disincentive for warring KDs to run banks.

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Originally Posted by Humanoize

+50% honor bonusses is a blessing and a curse. I was a marquis with the warrior bonus this age for a while. It took exactly 5 attacks (5 minutes) to drop me to lord and causing to drop my population bonus from 21% to 2%. Its very easy to counter; a semi chain will feel like a deepchain.

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This so much. How about honor loss reduction for this personality?

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Originally Posted by Palem

and lol @ "choice". Here are your "choices" if you want to play an effective and productive Faery TM next age.


-Faery/Mystic, in a warring kd.


...and that's it.

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yupp. You can't take full spell book away from faery. Its just a bad idea all the way.

Mystic Aura isn't on any race. Does Faery have it? Or is it removed?



Everyone has LS and I'm a nub ;p

As leader of The Faery Circle I question your abilities if you think only Mystics can be effective T/Ms.....

With the possibility of 50% of attackers being Orc with Reflect on, Rogue and Sage are quite good options.

just looking at it objectively, there's no reason to run faeries. They almost have a complete spellbook. They have no attacking power to speak of. Their magic efficiency is beaten into the ground by elf. Their magic damage is beaten &/or matched by Dwarf and Human. Their thievery efficiency is beaten into the ground by halfling. Their thievery damage is beaten by Avian and Human. Every race is capable of exploiting honor and whoring it out to get ridiculous bonuses, so you can't use that as an argument. Their defense is pretty irrelevant since it will be taking a hit since faeries now need more thieves/wizards (or they'll keep the same defense, run less wpa/tpa and be ineffective).

The only race that faery really has some sort of advantage over is Undead, which just happens to be the one race that can actually afford to conquest down faeries (assuming non-cleric for the other races).

Overall the changes looks great, especially now that the game mechanics was tweaked a little bit, looking forward to next age alot!

As for the races and personalities only a few stood out to me:
Avian
Lost:
10% attack time
+1 dspec
2 def for their elite
CS and fanaticism
+50GC for elite

Gains:
Vermin
+40% thievery damage
.25 nw reduction for elite

The stuff they lost are MAJOR and all the things they gained are MEH (personal opinion), and avians wasnt even overpowered this age. Imo they need a stronger army, elites are too easily ambushed and with their reduced army strength they arent gonna be able to run good TPA and compete as attackers.

Halfer:
Looks a little weak, they did after all lose 10% pop, accurate intel and QF, they where really good this age, aye, but still this is pretty weak even with the TPA buff. Give them some decent bonus back, like:
- QF
- A spell to reduce combat-losses by say 10-15% on offence (healing light, light of the heavens whatevs).
- Larger home capacity

Mystic:
Seems a bit OP, if you are gonna give it +1 mana and +20% further spell duration from last age thats gonna give them too much of an ability to blanket MS. I mean come on two mystics can blanket a full KD with MS as is, now they get extra mana AND even longer spell duration. Plus the MS just got worth a whole lot more since faeries dont have it. Either remove the +1 mana or nerf the spell duration (to say 20%) possibly removing the tower efficiency bonus as well. Too much of a good thing here.

Sage:
Took a big hit, but as has been said it was overpowered for a long time, but seeing as how other personalities got a bit of a buff maybe its a little weak.

My 2 cents, overall really pleased with the changes.

Never everyone was happy with all changes. Ironicaly, once the changes were implemented, they would then rant about the changes after that to keep the changes they were complaining about the age prior

Talking about me?

I don't complain about things lol

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Originally Posted by DHaran

If you think this Human is one of the weakest races of all time I question your experience. I'll take the +10% pop, FoK, ToG, WS, and a turtle elite. Fine with me. And if this is weak, then so was the 5/5 +10% pop halfers/gnomes that we've had for most of Utopia's history that somehow managed to do ok. I'd throw a Sage on this Human and have some fun. Weakest of all time would have to be totally unplayable like a few of those old DEs and Dwarves we had. This Human is totally playable.

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Human really isn't playable in the top tier kd without being a merchant.

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Originally Posted by Palem

just looking at it objectively, there's no reason to run faeries. They almost have a complete spellbook. They have no attacking power to speak of. Their magic efficiency is beaten into the ground by elf. Their magic damage is beaten &/or matched by Dwarf and Human. Their thievery efficiency is beaten into the ground by halfling. Their thievery damage is beaten by Avian and Human. Every race is capable of exploiting honor and whoring it out to get ridiculous bonuses, so you can't use that as an argument. Their defense is pretty irrelevant since it will be taking a hit since faeries now need more thieves/wizards (or they'll keep the same defense, run less wpa/tpa and be ineffective).

The only race that faery really has some sort of advantage over is Undead, which just happens to be the one race that can actually afford to conquest down faeries (assuming non-cleric for the other races).

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Palem, you know better than this. In war being unbreakables is of unreal value. Only faery can be truely unbreakable. It can get more def (for less NW, faery is the only race where 1pt def isn't 1 nw) than other races, it is both thief AND mage, so thievery or magic cannot be used against it.

Faery just isn't valid as the only race in the kd, it's strictly support, but to me, there is little wrong with that.

Sady, most comments are biased, some hide their bias better than others, but still you can almost smell the kd setup players want to run when posting these comments :( Hybridy players whine how attackers are overpowered and hybrids need a boost, pure attackers fear the t/m boosts and turtleability of hybrids, hyper active kds worry their avian need more racks.

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Originally Posted by Yadda9To5

Palem, you know better than this. In war being unbreakables is of unreal value. Only faery can be truely unbreakable. It can get more def (for less NW, faery is the only race where 1pt def isn't 1 nw) than other races, it is both thief AND mage, so thievery or magic cannot be used against it.

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Faery is designed to be the go-to TM race; at least, that's supposed to be the intention behind the race. As far as that goes, it doesn't cut it. Yea, Faery makes a great bank (for lack of a better word) to hold on to acres and stay untouchable during a war and such, but that's not what they're supposed to be. As far as what they're SUPPOSED to be, they aren't worth it.

If we're going to change the role that faery is designed for, can we make it something more exciting outside of "untouchable entity"?

People fail to realize unread/warrior for warring kd, is the best setup.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Faery is designed to be the go-to TM race; at least, that's supposed to be the intention behind the race. As far as that goes, it doesn't cut it. Yea, Faery makes a great bank (for lack of a better word) to hold on to acres and stay untouchable during a war and such, but that's not what they're supposed to be. As far as what they're SUPPOSED to be, they aren't worth it.

If we're going to change the role that faery is designed for, can we make it something more exciting outside of "untouchable entity"?

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Tons of warring kingdoms ran more faerys then usual this age because of how good they were. Top warring kingdoms running 3-4 T/M in a few cases upwards of 5!

I suspect next age we will see back down to the norm of 2-3. They are still very good and I suspect every warring KD will run some faerys even with elf looking like a relevant hybrid/support race for the first time in 3 ages.

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Faery is designed to be the go-to TM race; at least, that's supposed to be the intention behind the race. As far as that goes, it doesn't cut it. Yea, Faery makes a great bank (for lack of a better word) to hold on to acres and stay untouchable during a war and such, but that's not what they're supposed to be. As far as what they're SUPPOSED to be, they aren't worth it.

If we're going to change the role that faery is designed for, can we make it something more exciting outside of "untouchable entity"?

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But faery is the uber TM, in war any half decent kd disables the other kds thieves/mages first, as the longer a war last, the more determining t/m ops are going to be. So yes, elves and other more specialized thieves or mages might start stronger, be more pumped on tpa or wpa. But they won't last a day unless a kingdom really has LOTS of pumped wpa/tpa provs so they can't all be disabled. Put that against a setup with few faeries, that will be able to hold their wpa/tpa and become bank. I'd prefer to have faeries in my kingdom any day.

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Originally Posted by Palem

just looking at it objectively, there's no reason to run faeries. They almost have a complete spellbook. They have no attacking power to speak of. Their magic efficiency is beaten into the ground by elf. Their magic damage is beaten &/or matched by Dwarf and Human. Their thievery efficiency is beaten into the ground by halfling. Their thievery damage is beaten by Avian and Human.

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Disagree. IIRC, max damage ceiling is not raised, so their damage is not beaten by human/avian. Faeries just have to send more thieves, but they also have more space for TDs and should have less losses. Faeries are still the second best thieves in the game.

Faeries will have way better economy and elves suck at attacking, so Faeries will play a better KD role.

Overall, Faeries fill that T/M+econ KD role very well. Much better than running hybrids would. Comparatively, I would much rather have a Faery and a heavy attacker like Orc than run an elf and an avian hybrid.

Bishop could you please clarify what you mean when you say faeries will have 'all racial spells' . Does that mean all the spells or just some undefined subset that we need to guess at?

lol whatever you say guys. I strongly suggest you don't run faeries. And no, not even 2-3.

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Originally Posted by Palem

Faery is designed to be the go-to TM race; at least, that's supposed to be the intention behind the race. As far as that goes, it doesn't cut it. Yea, Faery makes a great bank (for lack of a better word) to hold on to acres and stay untouchable during a war and such, but that's not what they're supposed to be. As far as what they're SUPPOSED to be, they aren't worth it.

If we're going to change the role that faery is designed for, can we make it something more exciting outside of "untouchable entity"?

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Well, if Faeries remain the un-rivaled masters of Thieving and Mage ops, and they can keep UB defense, why would anyone ever play any other Hybrid-type support? The trade-off an Elf makes for those Mage abilities is no Thief potential, and thus inherently being vulnerable to thief ops, in addition to being capable of only a fraction of the DPA a Faery is capable of, and thus much more vulnerable to Massacres/Land-grabs.

I think those are some pretty massive sacrifices on the part of Elves to compete with Faeries in ONE thing they do well- only ONE thing, mind you - and leave themselves entirely vulnerable to a flurry of attacks/ops Faeries rarely ever have to worry about.

And Faeries should still be the best T/Ms overall, although potentially no longer both the absolute best Thief AND the absolute best Mage, both, by themselves. They're still very competitive, however, and no other race gets both a WPA/TPA bonus and a damage bonus- every other race gets one or the other, not both.

I like these changes a lot! I do think avian looks a bit weak compared to the other attackers. +40% theivery damage isn't much of a bonus, and with a 7/5 military you're hard pressed to get a decent TPA anyway. -20% attack time isn't enough to outweigh this, Imo. Warrior personality looks very interesting.

Avian is not playable with these changes. Orc had gains to counter the attack time, Avian is now at a disadvantage where anon + (negative gains) is not even close to being on par with orc. Along with the disadvantage to leaving war early against your opponent, and you're severely in the mud.

I would recommend leaving avian elite at 7/4 to balance it out.

Dwarf, elf, ud are good as baseline at the moment.

Orcs should change elite value to 8/3 and drop price by 50 gc, otherwise the 9/2 is too strong with the +gains and free credits.

Halfling needs some improvements. Halfling doesn't have build space to give up and is weak otherwise. 6/5 elite would be much better (on par with elf changes).

Faery seems OK but a little on the weak side. If the above are implemented you have choices between Elf/Halfer hybrids and Orc/Avian/Dwarf/Undead attackers + faeries as t/m is also possible.

Human can currently bank with Merchant, but i don't really see where else it is viable. Dropping the nw value of elites from 5.5 to 5 might work, otherwise it's got the same problems as halfling always did - nw inflation.

Human is garbage now without the BE, and no one is going to play dwarf when the other attackers are twice as good.

Avian:
I think they look pretty good, fast attack and thievery capable of destroying a defence to allow multi-taps, almost like a "swarm". It's the losses that would put me off them, with no real turtling capability they have no real reason to keep those low def leets home it's almost best to keep your troops out. I think it would be nice to give them a +10% on the enemy they kill per attack, they already have a hidden extra kill method because of the less land grabbed multipled by there attack time. Mix in the Thievery aspect and they already look like nasty def destroyers, ATM tho I do think Avians lack when compared to others and a bonus like this could balance it. Better than a reduced losses which Undeads and Clerics already have.

Dwarf:
Ideal Bench mark IMO for the other races, they can be very strong A/m with the CS and +BE on WT, more defencive against opps compared to Elves which appear to be the other main A/m race, but leets less physically defencive. Nice trade.

Elves:
They do look strong but vulnrable to thieves if not careful, I wouldnt mind playing them as they are now, dont think they need anything done to them.

Faery:
5(wpa)*1.3 = 6.5 (Fae)
4(wpa)*1.5 = 6 (Elves)

After reading what Palem has to say I've got to wonder why sug against running Faes for TMing? Dispite being a lower % bonus, it is being applied to a greater base figure and will generally yield much greater results at higher base figures, Faes should be running higher base figures considering they have the best NW velue leet and no off needed in TMing. To be able to cast MS on Elves then you'll need a decent Fae/Mystic who has the a stable WPA throughout a war (unless massacred) and built correctly to gain the modded WPA, which is better from a base figure. I think this is nicly balanced to be slightly stronger then A/m or A/t while not being vulnrable to other Faes only.

Halflings:
Again I wouldn't mind playing this as they are, strong thieves and good def leet for there NW, soldiers are also 1.5NW? If so then they have a great turtling capability and less risk to NS... but as Elves are at risk to thieves, Halfers have there weakness in magic. I'd play this with Warrior, the -BR would just incourage me to kidnapp when low on pezzies (which can gain nice honor), the +1 stealth would help with that and kidnapping can help the kd in the long run. Just like the Elves, the +1 offers potentially great reward (for kd and personal honor) but with the reward comes the risk of weakness to the opposite suport role.

Humans:
Only reason why I'd play this is to go Sage, they look abut the only race that could look at playing A/T/M smartly but they'll need sh*t load of pumping, untill then they're lacking IMO. Lower there leet NW to 5, this I wouldn't say would overpower them at all, they'll still need the WPA/TPA which costs NW for no military strength to make use of there benefit. Increase the cost to 800gc as the penalty for such versatile leets. They could ToG for the GC to buy them if income low but that then would hinder any mage output... bit like a double edged sword. Humans are stong in the Potential Changes but nt as strong as Dwarfs or Elves or Halfers.. only Avians IMO.

Orcs:
For a aggressive attacker they look nicly balanced, yes they're in some ways overpowered in there attacking capabilities but with those gains they'll soon become vulnrable to opps, looking at the other races then I would say this overpowered raw attacking capability has been balanced out. Strong at the beginning and the risk of becomming a land shell later on, compared to the Undead (other heavy att IMO) which can be weaker at the start growing stronger.

Undead:
I would swap "Successful land attacks convert specialists to elites" to "Successful attacks convert specialists to elites" and reduce the sci penalty to -20% while also giving them a -20% penalty with honor as well. I think the capability to also convert troops on massacres as well as land grabs will defenatly appeal when looking at the possable strengths of the hybreds.

I like the changes as they are, except maybe the avians but its all playable (some to better degrees).

Pretty interesting!! Thanks :)

Couple of comments ~ Humans = Errr huh? Don't get it. However I don't play them so maybe someone is good with it. But by the looks of the comments, not many are.

Orcs ... Is there a particular reason these guys are like over the top? Their penalty means nothing to them so is in effect, not one at all. Compare that to UD and Avian penalties please :).

Faeries - I see what Palem is saying but as much hollering that has been done about this race, I guess you did what you had to do. I fail to see the issue myself as all it takes is an Orc or UD 200 acres larger or so and the Faeries are massacre soup! But *shrugs*

Elves - very cool! Except the nightmare thing .. I don't get it, give it back to UD so UD mystic is a decent A/m choice.

Looks like a fun age though. Thanks for the hard work!

The closest comparison of Humans I can make are gnomes without cheaper thieves and tpa bonus but with ToG instead...

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Originally Posted by Midoki

Faery:
5(wpa)*1.3 = 6.5 (Fae)
4(wpa)*1.5 = 6 (Elves)

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10(wpa)*1.3 = 13 (Fae)
1(wpa)*1.5 = 1.5 (Elf)


You've shown me the light. Clearly elf is outmatched.

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Originally Posted by Palem

10(wpa)*1.3 = 13 (Fae)
1(wpa)*1.5 = 1.5 (Elf)


You've shown me the light. Clearly elf is outmatched.

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Wow was that sarcasm?

What A/m is gonna run 1WPA raw? I was at least trying to give respectable figures bassed on what i've seen recently, my point is that altho A/m will run a better WPA than A/t and pure attackers, it generally wont be higher than a Faes. Putting a TM at only 20% more raw WPA is underestimating good TMs IMO, even at that underestimate the Fae still beats the Elf in magic, admittingly just about. I've not taken Sci into consideration and how A/m channeling sci will dilute with growth during a war along with WPA, leaving Faes to rein supreme in magic. How about how Faes have horded honour and able to keep it better as they're not trading hits, as such that the honor bonuses can be relyed upon slightly more. As a pure attacker I have gone from Count to Baran and back up to Viscount in 24 hours, I've not seen a Fae do that, that is because they have more consistancy in the honor area, more consistancy allows for it to be relyed upon. They don't send out troops and lower there def from that, they don't have the same worries as attackers.

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Originally Posted by Midoki

Wow was that sarcasm?

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Sarcasm is such a dirty word anymore.
Let's call it a less than serious joke.

I like the overall concept for these changes very much, imo the numbers need some tweaking for balance though, and i would like to offer some of my opinions on that:

Humans: increase population bonus from +10% to 15%

I like the concept of humans but imo they need some improvement for them to be considered seriously by players to be included in KD setups, this slight change will make them an interesting option.

Orcs: Giving Reflect Magic to a heavy attacker is interesting, but too powerful imo without other drawbacks in op defense, i suggest swapping the -50% damage on ops for the previous -25% WPA and TPA to give Orcs a more serious drawback to prevent them for being OP.

Avians: Need some tweaking as well, perhaps increasing the attack time bonus or removing gains penalty will do.

Tactician: Remove attack time bonus or reducing credits bonus will put it in line with other personalities in terms of power.

The other races/personalities are fine imo and do not need much tweaking.

Race Changes

Avian
-20% Attack Time <--- change to -25%
+40% thievery damage

- 10% attack gains <--- change to 5%
No Access to Stables

Spell book: Town Watch, Vermin
Elite: 7/2, 700gc, 6.25NW

So overall avian looks good maybe they can keep the -10% gains.


Dwarf
+ 10% BE
+ 30% Spell Damage (Instant Spells)
Free Building Construction
Can use credits to raze buildings

+ 50% Food consumption
Accelerated Construction not available

Spell book: Quick Feet, Fanaticism, Fools Gold, Clearsight
Elite: 7/3, 750gc, 6.5NW

Dwarf is fine should not be made stronger A/m play style means you have allot of durability in war the BE bonnus is fine as with QF and +10% BE with rax ( effect will be better of rax with same % builded than other races ) will make dwarf at second place of fastest race.


Elves
+50% WPA
+1 mana in war
+ 1 defence specialist strength

Spellbook: Pitfalls, Mages Fury, Amnesia, Nightmare <--- add CS ass even with CS+20% WT's 3tpa(5modded) means their runes could still be stolen so easyily this age played halfling/rogue this age just as a challenge ( it works but needed allot of tweaking ) But in every case I just thief opped 10 times total 4 fails 6 got true and from the 200K runes the elf had were onley 40-45K max left.

For that they would need to lose MF and amnesia if they want to get CS as they already have NM and when used correctly is devestating

Elite: 6/4, 700gc, 6NW <--- quite nw heavy but understandable.


Faery
+30% damage on spells and ops
+30% WPA and TPA

-10% Population
Offensive Specialist Strength -2

Spellbook: All racial spells
Elite: 3/8, 1000gc, 7.5NW <--- change to 7.75 NW

Looks better now this age they were just to OP


Halflings
+50% TPA
+1 stealth
- 50% thief cost

-15% Birth Rate

Spellbook: Invisibility, Town Watch <-- finnaly invisibility if played right fearies will see some loving of halflings next age ( already thiefed most fearies this age already but o well :)
Soldiers: 2/2
Elite: 5/6, 600gc, 5.75NW

They could work played one this age and they are NW heavy but the trick is just have 3-4 specs an acre for dragonslaying to and NW/acre is lower than :)
They do lose the +10% pop but +50% tpa is nice this age I just run atleast 6+ raw tpa and prop and prop away easyily to run that number because of +10% pop


Humans
+10% Population
+ 50% Thievery Damage (Sabotage Ops)
+ 50% Spell Damage (Instant Spells)

Spellbook: Tree of Gold, Fountain of Knowledge, War Spoils
Elite: 5/5, 500gc, 5.5NW

Dunno but, FARM FARM FARM? Be prepared to have your handsfull on all those farm provinces allot of people will run a second account if not more as human just as a personal farm. Sorry ToG for human +10% pop means FARM.

Orcs
+20% gains
Can train elites with credits

-50% Combat Instant Spell Damage and Sabotage Damage

Spellbook: Bloodlust, Fanaticism, Aggression, Shadowlight, Reflect Magic
Elite: 9/2, 850gc, 7.25NW <--- lower to 7NW if they lose RM and if feary's leet stay at 7.5 nw if feary leet stay at 7.5 nw but they keep RM orcs than just 7.25 nw

<--- dunno about RM here as well you can just MV it off but also a thing would be full orc kd MV'ing all that gives me some worries for next age that MS, GREEDS, and other duration ops will be hard to widecast it and instant spells is not so much of a problem as it is always better to MV a target first before you do a FB/TORNADO/NM run as you get rid of Magicshield, CS ( can later put RIOTS easyer on the target aswell ) for example and other usefull self spells that the person has on.

I think orc will be fine if you remove RM and still even without RM is a reall strong race

The Undead
-50% Offensive losses on attacks you make
Successful land attacks convert specialists to elites
Spreads and is immune to The Plague
No food needed

- 25% science effectiveness

Spellbook: Greater Protection, Town Watch, Animate Dead, Chastity
Elite: 9/3, 1000gc, 7.5NW <--- change to 7.25 NW as the -25% science effectiveness is a huge penalty so maybe even lower the cost to 950gc per leet.

Personality Changes

The Merchant
+30% Income
-50% Money Losses on Plunder Attacks
Immunity to all Income Penalties (Riots, Plagues, etc.)

Looks fine it does what it needs to do give more money protect you from plunders ( abit ) and immunity to income penalties eccept problem with human it will cause for to much farm provinces...


The Sage
+ 25% Science effectiveness
-66% Losses on Learn Attacks
Immune to The Plague

It has been long that sage was(is) overpowered it looks decent now more on par with other personas

The Rogue
+1 Stealth recovery per tick
Access to all thievery operations, including 3 unique to rogues: Greater Arson, Assassinate Wizards and Propaganda
Thieves Dens are twice as effective (subject to DBE)

Same as always does what it needs to do strenghtening your thievery

The Mystic
Access to Meteor Showers
All Guilds and Towers are twice as effective
+50% Spell Duration (For Duration Spells Only)
+1 mana per tick in War

Think allot of mages will be happy about this that mystic doesn't onley mean Building Space E and double wizz train and double runes produced as with sage you could get the same rune production easily when pumped


The Warrior
+1 General
+15% OME in war
Enhanced Conquest range

Looks quite good because you can get madd MO

The Tactician
Gain 50% more Specialist and Building Credits
-15% Attack Time
Accurate Espionage (in war) <--- THANK YOU for making this onley in war or els we would get so many people running intel provs

It looks good +50% credits is a great income boost and -15% attack time is always nice and less offence needed to send out :)




The Cleric
- 50% Your Military Casualties (on attack or defense)
Animate Dead spell always active

This is understandable still a viable choice getting chained can cause problems but if your atleast are a bit active those solds can nicely be sended to your kd mates in war or OOW to help retrain defence :)


The War Hero
+50% more bonuses from honor
-50% draft cost
-50% train time

Wanne play Russian roulette? :) It has it's pro's and con's looks fine just upp your draft rate to aid out solds and ask gc for it OOW in war nice to help out with pumping an UB or landbank or chained prov that just came back to the 1K acres again and needs a quick fix :)



Mechanic Changes

Reservations will be automatically used when the new age starts and you will automatically be placed in your kingdom. =)

Failed attacks have a chance to move the meter 1 point proportional to the amount of offense sent <-- finnaly no week long bounce wave retalwars

Plunder, Learn, Massacre and Raze are now worth 2 points on the meter <--- dunno about this maybe make TM 3 points and raise the cap to reach hostile to 20 or els TM is the way to go.

The war declaration range for kingdoms will be changed to 25% smaller or 33% larger <--- fine

War will end automatically if your opponents networth drops to 50% of yours. This will only occur after a minimum of 7 days of warring. <--- Good

A war ending will grant, for both kds:
All land currently out with armies at war end returns home immediately. <--- Chained provs will be so gratefull for this
Instant population growth of 20% of your max pop if you are under 50% of your max pop <--- yeah not really needed even when you are on 500 pezzies some sold aid can help but will be nice to war more and faster
+500% Birthrate <--- good but 400% would be annof
30% reduction in training costs of all troops <--- much needed if we want to war more
Draft cost reduced 50% <--- same as above.

On a sidenote maybe add +25% food production because the sudden increase in pop can cause starvetion you just go to bed then war ends you sleep for 8 hours I am a bit worried that food can slink quite fast especialy if the enemy is so evil to cast vermin on you ( + drought but that would be your own fault for not casting NB but ofcourse really smart evil people before they withdraw would just MV a prov to get FL of and NB and than vermin+drought than they nicely withdraw with an evil grin on their face. Can be bad losers or strategy to war right after war cf on them

Winning a war will grant the following:
+10% honor taken from the opponents honor pool <-- good
100 books of science per acre based on your median province <--- Maybe every RL day the bonnus will be +1 books an acre on averange size of the kd maybe a nice twist so at start of the age you won't really get that much but later more BUT it starts at 10-20 books a acre at start of age so 10+1*RL days= books per acre with max to 100 books per acre
3 times your median provinces acres in spec credits <--- 1.5 time per averange
Free building credits to the total of your current unbuilt acres <--- jippy every race can feel himself sort of dwarfy for a moment! :)

All in all even if things were to stay this way it would be good eccept HUMANS as a race they are not that bad it's the abusability that can AND WILL HAPPEN...

PS: dyslectic so please don't go nazi on my spelling. =)

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Originally Posted by Palem

Sarcasm is such a dirty word anymore.
Let's call it a less than serious joke.

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The point he is trying to make, not so effectively, is that Faeries from the start have more room for higher raw TPA/WPA numbers than a "Hybrid" because of 3/8 elites and not needing to maintain offense on top of a defense.

Say the Elf/Mage is trying to play a Hybrid with the basic 60 OPA and 45 DPA with his army out. He needs 10 elites per acre just for offense and 7.5 defspecs per acre just for defense. That leaves 7.5 pop/acre room for peasants, thieves, and wizards... combined. Of course buildings will improve his ME and lower those numbers somewhat, but Faeries can use buildings to raise their defense and reduce draft rates, too.

The point being that any hybrid elf will necessarily be incapable of fielding the same raw TPA/WPA as a Faery. Faeries simply don't have the pop concerns of running an offense and can raise defense with a 3/8 elite, which takes much less of their pop. Thus it is much more likely Faeries will be able to run higher raw WPA than elves...

You're comparing apples to oranges. You realize this right?