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05-02-2016, 18:28
zsivhawk

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Originally Posted by Anri

I remember warring Sanctuary for 14 days, over that time there was people pointing out counter strategy to Sanctuary on how to beat us. A few guys did very solid posts, i remember having to tell Baka to edit out a post because he pointed out next to exactly what Sanctuary needed to do to beat us. I really don't like to get to much into depth analyze of wars since then. Every setup has some very weak spots. But summary and some other basic details are fine i guess.

I understand that man, I do appreciate the update, though! It is fun following top wars.
05-02-2016, 18:36
AMP

Pandas did have a cf deal with Crazies, who told Pandas that they didn't want to be at the top or were interested in it and they also told us they would stay out.

After the awar conflict started, suddenly Meep kd (monarch prov) starts attacking another kd of their own side, all pretty normal these days for some I guess...

Pandas then decided to wave Meep as we had no deal with them and were limited in targets, seeing they were just bouncing provs and were already hitting out of the conflict. We did a deal with Meep and Meep alone, even after threats and a lot of complaints from CJ, even hinting he would join ABS side.

After sometime (a week I believe), after knowing new info, after talking with a lot of people, after other friendly kds got involved, after days of pressures to accept CFs with all ABS side, we took a stance and joined in.

We spent most hits just bouncing banks and razing, land hits were a minority, so unless people complaining have a different strategic logic, I would consider this an awful way to grow and gain any sort of advantage over CJ.

While one kd was growing freely, waving down any kd with NOONE to threat them at the top, whoring their provs with absurd def in a normal situation, the other was heavily involved in a conflict, getting severely opped and hit by a few kds, mostly from Emeriti.

If this is the best way for the second kd to gain any sort of advantage, I have really been playing this game in a wrong way.

It seems one kd did gain a lot from this situation and that kd was not Pandas.

Absurd to bring this back when the situation was very favourable for one side, not Pandas, still there was a war and relations did improve afterwards.
05-02-2016, 18:52
Band of Horses

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMP

Regarding the status of the awar when Pandas joined, well Emeriti was pretty much untouched and so were most of the kds in their side, so if thats a clean up phase, we do have very different perceptions of the game.

You say this then you say on the same page that there was a week you believe and then a few days of pressure to accept cf... You counter your own points within posts of each other. Either they were untouched or it was weeks and a few days after....

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMP

Pandas did have a cf deal with Crazies, who told Pandas that they didn't want to be at the top or were interested in it and they also told us they would stay out.

After the awar conflict started, suddenly Meep kd (monarch prov) starts attacking another kd of their own side, all pretty normal these days for some I guess...

Pandas then decided to wave Meep as we had no deal with them and were limited in targets, seeing they were just bouncing provs and were already hitting out of the conflict. We did a deal with Meep and Meep alone, even after threats from abs side and a lot of complaints from CJ, even hinting he would join ABS side.

After sometime (a week I believe), after knowing new info, after talking with a lot of people, after other friendly kds got involved, after days of pressures to accept CF with all ABS side or we could get into trouble, we took a stance and joined in.

We spent most hits just bouncing banks and razing, land hits were a minority, so unless people complaining have a different strategic logic, I would consider this an awful way to grow and gain any sort of advantage over CJ.

While one kd was growing freely, waving down any kd with NOONE to threat them at the top, whoring their provs with absurd def in a normal situation, the other was heavily involved in a conflict, getting severely opped and hit by a few kds, mostly from Emeriti.

If this is the best way for the second kd to gain any sort of advantage, I have really been playing this game in a wrong way.

It seems one kd did gain a lot from this situation and that kd was not Pandas.

Actually the kd randoming was Expendables, CJ was pumping and exploring while only randoming his chained provs from the wsk war. He had humans so couldn't go to a whore cap that Expendables orcs were able to. So yeah you gained more acres than him during it. You have been playing this game wrong if your intent was to play clean; you're not.
05-02-2016, 18:54
vir

All the history is very interesting and specially how it all is connected to this war..

The update from flogger was very interesting and honest though, i liked that. Hopefully we can get some more updates as the war ends. Doubt hesus will go crazy on teh forums though but hopefully some of his master lvl strategy thoughts are shared with the rest of his kingdom so someone from pandas can share it with us mortal, weak, peons.
05-02-2016, 19:15
AMP

Quote:

Originally Posted by Band of Horses

You say this then you say on the same page that there was a week you believe and then a few days of pressure to accept cf... You counter your own points within posts of each other. Either they were untouched or it was weeks and a few days after....

Actually the kd randoming was Expendables, CJ was pumping and exploring while only randoming his chained provs from the wsk war. He had humans so couldn't go to a whore cap that Expendables orcs were able to. So yeah you gained more acres than him during it. You have been playing this game wrong if your intent was to play clean; you're not.

I believe the problem in here might be your lack of understanding English. First week of conflict was very mild. The damage done was very soft compared to what would come after.

About Crazies, they waved around and were aggressive stance during that time, best for exploring? Lol, learn the game and stop lying.

Anyway, won't be replying more to this nonsense, I've reach my quota for silly discussions with people who don't want to talk about facts and who are demonstrating a lack of knowledge to analyse the situation in an impartial way.

Have fun in your imaginary reality, keep repeating lies until u believe them, but don't expect others to.
05-02-2016, 19:18
topsy's revenge

Why are people from pandas hating on simians so badly? Simians lasted a long time and from everything i know almost everyone that played there enjoyed playing there. Anyway, good war from pandas. Some odd choices from a BB that normally outplays people in hostiles, but pandas played their part really solidly from the outside looking in.
05-02-2016, 19:23
Godly

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Originally Posted by flogger

We started off the hostile with a pretty significant troop advantage, to the point of being kd wide on basically no peasants, pandas left about 3 peasants per acre and weren't nearly as trained. CR started the war about 15k acres ahead, so in order for us to win big enough to compete vs them a week or so later, the standard war where both sides' TMs go untouched and you just trade land, wouldn't do the trick. So I went with the strategy of trying to take down their TM land, and then find a way to farm the core land afterwards.

What I was a bit caught off guard with was I didn't expect pandas to outright give us the button. We kept soldiers around in case they bounced, trained them at the last minute, and we made stables late as well and at our BE's they needed about 2 days to fill the stables, thinking I was going to spend 3 waves going from 4 to 10 to 14 to give button. I didn't expect them to wave and give us button control as we had guys who could break their TMs.

The downside being that since we were topfeeding (2500-2700a attackers on 3200a faeries), they had to leave low defense to break the faeries, and their 3k acre avians were able to 2x, and then after a few rounds 3 and 4x. We made most of our TM's semi attackers and always planned on using them as attackers. Again, the only way to catch CR was to win big, so we had to run close to 25 attackers. In hindsight, we could have won the war, or made it 50/50 had we just traded hits on their avians with our bigger attackers, but vs their attack speed it wouldn't have been a big win or done us any good in the long run vs CR a week later.

Long hostile meter control is annoying, as we had way more offense and could way outhit them, but we never were able to without giving them control of the button, so our hitters had to eat some hits turtled, we never got econ going and pandas got their econ going. The war win bonus and 4 days of them cranking double guilds and decent sci mods made things like greed and FG really tough, so we were never able to GC starve them, so their econ flipped our troop advantage after a few days, so where in war we could only 2x to 2x on the core (whereas we started 3x to 2x)

Pandas made the right moves at the right time, hit the right guys at the right time most all war, and last age it took me 7 days of no sleep to beat em, they're a good kingdom. I didn't have 7 days of no sleep motivation this age given that I joined a few days in. In hindsight I think it would have been possible to just trade hits with their bigger avians and beat em down and we would have been left with the 3 banks and 6 hybrid attackers vs 5 dwarves, but I think our core gets trashed in doing that and the win wouldn't have been big enough to match CR.

Actually at the end, I made a nub mistake, I thought we had made it to day change and I thought when on 150 to 149, once daychange happenned, I had 30 more meter to play with. at 3 minutes before daychange I was mapping out making 20 hits on them. Then prot told me "you know we gotta wait till they hit, right"

I forgot they also went down to 120, so we had no meter left to play with when I wanted one more round to finish off the faes in hostile we did take down (as soon as we declared our med sized dudes suiciding on faes would be chained to where they are now, so we needed hostile to protect them). In theory I was going with trading 1 orc for 1 fae mystic is a good trade.

So when they didn't hit us after the tick I had to come up with a plan pretty quick while at work, it was some pretty bad semi chains I hoped would cause more over pop and give us NW range protection on our med sizes from NW range, but our med sizes had already been beat down hard enough in hostile they got trashed and are the 400a orcs ya see today. So when your open wave is designed to protect your medium and the medium gets immediately trashed, it was pretty clear from hour 5 of the war it was trouble. And speed generally kills, once the speedier kd gets in a good spot, it can turn into some big wins.

Makes sense. I was pretty surprised that you didn't declare with the troop advantage and let the cards play themselves.

Btw I was just giving you a hard time. You're still my favorite person in utopia and I like you more than everyone in my kingdom because all they do is troll me.

Anytime you want to 1v1 bowling I'm down.
05-02-2016, 19:28
Band of Horses

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMP

I believe the problem in here might be your lack of understanding English. First week of conflict was very mild. The damage done was very soft compared to what would come after.

About Crazies, they waved around and were aggressive stance during that time, best for exploring? Lol, learn the game and stop lying.

Anyway, won't be replying more to this nonsense, I've reach my quota for silly discussions with people who don't want to talk about facts and who are demonstrating a lack of knowledge to analyse the situation in an impartial way.

Have fun in your imaginary reality, keep repeating lies until u believe them, but don't expect others to.

All of this is rich. Lets break down your failure to understand the English language.
Pretty much untouched is not the same as less than the highest point of damage. BB and Emeriti were at war, many greens had already been had. Massive bounce waves both sides causing massive military loses, you should learn the game military loses are often worse than land lost :P

Aggressive stance is not at all bad for exploring lmfao. It's not like exploring in fort, so do you think that you can only explore in normal stance? Lol. They already had the majority of their provs above the whore cap, they were running high guilds even on provs randoming out. If you think that 5-10 provs randoming is their kd waving... Did they give hostile relations? Sure. Was it the whole kd? Not even half.

You aren't using facts you're using ambiguous terms to try to interpret things positively for your kd. So who is the one not being impartial?

I've caught your kd in multiple lies, you included in the last couple pages yet you call me the liar. So rich.
05-02-2016, 19:33
Meep

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMP

Pandas did have a cf deal with Crazies, who told Pandas that they didn't want to be at the top or were interested in it and they also told us they would stay out.

After the awar conflict started, suddenly Meep kd (monarch prov) starts attacking another kd of their own side, all pretty normal these days for some I guess...

Pandas then decided to wave Meep as we had no deal with them and were limited in targets, seeing they were just bouncing provs and were already hitting out of the conflict. We did a deal with Meep and Meep alone, even after threats and a lot of complaints from CJ, even hinting he would join ABS side.

After sometime (a week I believe), after knowing new info, after talking with a lot of people, after other friendly kds got involved, after days of pressures to accept CFs with all ABS side, we took a stance and joined in.

We spent most hits just bouncing banks and razing, land hits were a minority, so unless people complaining have a different strategic logic, I would consider this an awful way to grow and gain any sort of advantage over CJ.

While one kd was growing freely, waving down any kd with NOONE to threat them at the top, whoring their provs with absurd def in a normal situation, the other was heavily involved in a conflict, getting severely opped and hit by a few kds, mostly from Emeriti.

If this is the best way for the second kd to gain any sort of advantage, I have really been playing this game in a wrong way.

It seems one kd did gain a lot from this situation and that kd was not Pandas.

Absurd to bring this back when the situation was very favourable for one side, not Pandas, still there was a war and relations did improve afterwards.

You know nobody in utopia actually believes that you waved us with no intent to join the awar, right?

Like, you don't actually think we're all that stupid right?
05-02-2016, 19:34
Shai

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

Makes sense. I was pretty surprised that you didn't declare with the troop advantage and let the cards play themselves.

Btw I was just giving you a hard time. You're still my favorite person in utopia and I like you more than everyone in my kingdom because all they do is troll me.

Anytime you want to 1v1 bowling I'm down.

Haha old love never dies
05-02-2016, 19:35
jwuzi

Godly plays with a 90% of 250 handicap
05-02-2016, 19:41
Godly

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwuzi

Godly plays with a 90% of 250 handicap

That doesn't even make sense. That's a league setup not a personal handicap. You tried to trigger me by lying but you just made yourself look dumb.
05-02-2016, 19:45
Band of Horses

Godly when Jwuzi tries to trigger him:
http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/En...e.ls.13016.jpg
05-02-2016, 20:13
Loons

Nerds Inc luv gamez (x:x) has withdrawn from war. Our people rejoice at our victory!
05-02-2016, 20:18
Godly

Quote:

Originally Posted by Band of Horses

Godly when Jwuzi tries to trigger him:
http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/En...e.ls.13016.jpg

Pretty disappointed that DiCaprio has such a cheapo vape.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loons

Nerds Inc luv gamez (x:x) has withdrawn from war. Our people rejoice at our victory!

It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.
05-02-2016, 20:25
Anri

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

Pretty disappointed that DiCaprio has such a cheapo vape.

It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

lol so mean

but still funny
05-02-2016, 20:35
Band of Horses

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

Pretty disappointed that DiCaprio has such a cheapo vape.

It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

Not like he paid for it. Im sure vapes are just thrown at him along with women's underwear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anri

lol so mean

but still funny

Agreed, hilarious.
05-02-2016, 21:12
StratOcastle

Congratulations Pandamonium.

Keep having fun BeastBlood.

Regards to dizzy sky avian waving.
05-02-2016, 21:38
vir

Congratz2pandaz! http://forums.utopia-game.com/images/icons/icon14.png
05-02-2016, 22:29
Rizen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

Haaa, oh lawd.
05-02-2016, 23:48
JoRoSaR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

Makes sense. I was pretty surprised that you didn't declare with the troop advantage and let the cards play themselves.

Btw I was just giving you a hard time. You're still my favorite person in utopia and I like you more than everyone in my kingdom because all they do is troll me.

Anytime you want to 1v1 bowling I'm down.

Both flogger's and Godly's posts made me remember much about what is good about this game :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

Hands down, post of the week. I'm in stitches.
06-02-2016, 00:07
StratOcastle

Don't be discouraged Loons.

Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.....or the enthusiasm.
06-02-2016, 01:29
Loons

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godly

Pretty disappointed that DiCaprio has such a cheapo vape.

It's common courtesy to let your monarch post that with insights from the war.

When we killed Bin Laden, we didn't have Steve from Walmart make the announcement.

Well Godly..... I think 'Steve' from Walmart has actually contributed more to the US society than some 'online' persona that spends the majority of his day posting in uto forums.

BUT... what do I know right?
06-02-2016, 01:33
Band of Horses

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loons

Well Godly..... I think 'Steve' from Walmart has actually contributed more to the US society than some 'online' persona that spends the majority of his day posting in uto forums.

BUT... what do I know right?

<removed by request>
06-02-2016, 02:17
Rizen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loons

Well Godly..... I think 'Steve' from Walmart has actually contributed more to the US society than some 'online' persona that spends the majority of his day posting in uto forums.

BUT... what do I know right?

Strong username to post content correlation
06-02-2016, 03:04
Loons

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06-02-2016, 03:24
Sheister

I dunno. I just feel left out. I mean, Anri has the Fresian.... Loons has the eventer Canadian Warm Blood..... Here I am with my passo in another KD with no one to swap horse pics with.

sadness....
06-02-2016, 07:29
MyNameIsMatija

Who can send me 10 Utopia credits? WTB name change Steve from Walmart.
06-02-2016, 07:51
StratOcastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija

Who can send me 10 Utopia credits? WTB name change Steve from Walmart.

You have to promise to be a drone with a big mouth :-D and I'm not just the president, I'm also a client.
06-02-2016, 07:53
MyNameIsMatija

I promise.
06-02-2016, 08:13
StratOcastle

PM me your loc and Abracadabra, hocus-pocus. Steve from Walmart will come into focus.
06-02-2016, 08:25
13nesta13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zauper

Hint: the source was nesta (not pandas - They were merely reacting to what they were told), who was (lying? Misinformed?) and told pandas this.

Nesta has threatened to farm out if he doesn't get a free deal. Last age, you didn't explicitly threaten to, but it's obviously included in any (if you notice and hit us, we will give your competition the same land) statement.

Am I the source, or is the KD that you're landdropping that replied my PM to reject my proposal to arrange a war the source? That if you eventually took less than 5k from them instead is irrelevant. When I'm 6th on the chart and 7th is 10% smaller than me after their more recent war win and I have the goodwill to reach out to them to arrange a fight and get more prep time if they wish rather than just bashing them down out of eowcf, speaks volumes of what I was trying to do. Because I actually do want a war. And I was to be rejected by the only KD in my range because he told me he's giving 5k away to you? I showed the same message to both Protector and Anri. Am I not allowed to show it? As the other 2 main KDs competing and preparing to fight, plus my wish that I would like to see a closer chart race, I share whatever little bit I know despite not giving a damn about what's going on, to the other 2 competitors. Certainly the fact that the 90% sized KD rejecting a fight and putting his size further away from me by 5k did tilt me, but was I wrong to share that information?

Game Date June 24 of YR2
Real Date Mon, 25 Jan at 17:12 GMT+00:00
Sender Baron Sack the Rogue of Dismay (Them)
Recipient King ASK and you shall receive the Sorcerer of The Great One (Me)
Subject Re:Warar?
"CR(edited out KD numbers and put in KD name)" is going to be taxing about 5k acres off us here in about 15 hours. We will be no where near that land size. Y:Y has been up our butts the last 2 days of war though. Sure they would be happy to accommodate.

> King ASK and you shall receive the Sorcerer of The Great One (Me) said: > >

Hello.

Wanna arrange a war? Looks like we're in range, and both with perfect records.

Could arrange a time and size if you wanna. Something like 40k, fight in 6-8 days from now? Im 38k and I already explored some of my chained a little so I think I'll be around 39-40k Max.

Quote:

Originally Posted by protector

How am I responsible for what Nesta says? And last age I didn't threaten to farm out. I simply made a deal with everyone I'd give nothing or equal. If you consider that farming out, that's your problem.

Lol Protector, I literally made the same deal that you did with the competing 4 kds early which you did last age. Funny this lame dude decides to call me threatening to farm out or wanting to farm out and he didn't last age. I told him the same, I will give equal land if you insist to the other competitors. Please post the logs and show where I said I'll farm out. I only said if you want to not agree to a deal where the other 3 agrees, then fine let's acre4cf sure. We're happy to lose land. It gives us so many more warring target and chances at war wins. We'll just be a happy landdrop KD and win the honor and ww crown. But I told all 4 land KDs upfront Im not going to landdrop because its bad for the game.
06-02-2016, 09:45
Anri

Anyway, thanks for the war BB.
Good job all furry animals
06-02-2016, 15:16
Loons

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheister

I dunno. I just feel left out. I mean, Anri has the Fresian.... Loons has the eventer Canadian Warm Blood..... Here I am with my passo in another KD with no one to swap horse pics with.

sadness....

I dont anymore Sheister. I gave him away remember, cuz he was injured. So atm I only have my 2 retired thoroughbreds. I am actively looking for a new competition horse though.
06-02-2016, 15:30
StratOcastle

I can google pictures of horses and show them to you, Sheister.
Apparently you stink at loneliness; otherwise known as solitude.
Hang in there dude.
06-02-2016, 16:52
Cappodocians

Here's the full summary, hostile + war :

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 595 (42,980 acres)
-- Traditional march: 502 (41,112 acres)
-- Ambush: 36 (1,868 acres)
-- Raze: 1 (0 acres)
-- Failed: 56 (9.4% failure)
-- Uniques: 209
Total attacks suffered: 286 (32,565 acres)
-- Traditional march: 274 (31,978 acres)
-- Ambush: 2 (587 acres)
-- Raze: 5 (0 acres)
-- Massacre: 2 (26,385 population)
-- Failed: 3 (1% failure)
-- Uniques: 104

** The kingdom of Pandas **
Total land exchanged: +10,415 (595/286)
+2,943 We Do NOT Forget (33/0)
+2,820 Skittles (25/0)
+2,792 Religitard (21/3)
+1,541 no sleep for you (11/0)
+1,397 WantedToBeHuman (6/0)
+1,355 idontsleepthroughalarms (5/0)
+1,330 Haters gonna HATE (8/1)
+986 Gryffud Hillside (33/6)
+946 druglord (36/11)
+904 candy canes and planes (8/1)
+812 Punchbag (35/8)
+642 Hola (32/11)
+636 Tamriel (38/13)
+631 An unknown province (6/0)
+374 White Boy (23/15)
+197 Late Bloomer (40/22)
+141 Juandissimo Magnifico (12/0)
+4 It Hurts When I PVP (33/14)
-29 Oooolala (28/16)
-372 Fuzakeru na (41/31)
-509 Deepness in the Sky (43/41)
-636 We Are Legion (9/2)
-1,382 Jack The Hammer (12/5)
-1,602 Robe and Wizard Hat (12/8)
-2,009 DonPapa (11/9)
-3,497 Terminator (34/69)

** The kingdom of BB **
Total land exchanged: -10,415 (285/594)
+10,646 An unknown province (89/0)
+691 Global Offensive (9/8)
+420 Total Annihilation (8/0)
+130 jeff that blue block is moving (14/4)
+116 Guild Wars Prophecies (20/17)
+1 Ninja looter (7/6)
-75 adc or afk (2/3)
-122 En taro Adun (10/9)
-159 World Of Warcraft (2/5)
-368 High All The Time (11/15)
-378 Quake III Arena (2/5)
-457 SOOOO MANY BANELINGS TASTELESS (0/3)
-468 Storm the front (7/7)
-508 Dark age of camelot (10/11)
-516 Pests Bad Furr Day (8/11)
-620 Sarah Kerrigan (2/7)
-912 LUCKY7777 (2/47)
-974 Emperor Thaurissan (6/14)
-983 StarCraft Brood War (10/19)
-1,394 Command And Conquer (8/16)
-1,924 Ironforge (11/47)
-2,026 Grand Theft Auto V (16/97)
-2,093 Call of Champions (11/40)
-2,196 RED ALERT RED ALERT (2/4)
-2,642 DOOM (17/191)
-3,604 Test of Time (1/8)

Thanks Prot and co for this intense battle. <3 Froggie
06-02-2016, 17:44
Anri

Its funny because Floggers estimate is off by at least 22k acre ;-)
06-02-2016, 18:02
Band of Horses

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anri

Its funny because Floggers estimate is off by at least 22k acre ;-)

No need to gloat about it.
06-02-2016, 18:03
Korp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Band of Horses

No need to gloat about it.

Well, Simians has such a bad track record so when he finally gets to be on the winning side he has to gloat about it. Cause it never happend before.
06-02-2016, 18:08
Band of Horses

Quote:

Originally Posted by Korp

Well, Simians has such a bad track record so when he finally gets to be on the winning side he has to gloat about it. Cause it never happend before.

"If you get in the end-zone, act like you've been there before."

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