AMA vs sanct round 2

[PhoenixScorpion]

Yes its clear, say: if you don't like what did abs shut up or you will disband :)

Probably easier that way. Attempting to powerplay and twist deals, CF's, etc will not happen, you should know better.

I don't think it blew up in his face at all. I think he was expecting it.

If he did then his actions makes 0 sense.

ASF, the targetsharing excuse is lame at best. I can name multiple kds who have been robbing 0 thief banks from the t5 all age. We all know the banks run without thieves, and we all rob big amounts of GC when stealth permits it. So stop using that as a excuse for Havocs bank to get robbed. He was getting robbed heavily before the "target sharing" - This is amusing... Since sanc put up their 1st bank (dunno if i can name his name w/o getting into trouble, even though its obvious who im referring to) we have been robbing GC as he has run no thieves whatsoever. Havoc looks for a easy opening to fight a weaker AMA, its simple. This is abusing your alliance, and it should have consequences.

Bollocks. Target-sharing is lame and he shouldve expected reaction from that alone. To follow up actions like that with a hostile dodge he got what he wanted finally. If we truly wanted to "abuse our alliance" we wouldnt even be having this discussion, would be alot worse for the other side, and much easier than trying to be respectul and fair to our enemies.

1. Pew Pew refused to CF us last age and i asked them few times. Same this age. Only reason we have CF them now is Proteus pro diplo with them lead to pact deal all abs+hoh+us with pew pew.
2. We never was asked from Sanctuary for CF after war was over so we cant refuse it. I don't have habit to war/wave same kd after we had clean war win. Its was Sanctuary choice to keep it up and start actions vs us right after post war. All ASF complain about size is stupid. If Sanctuary think they are not in position to war us why they started it. There never was dodge Havoc. Havoc chances against us if we had our fair ("vultire" notice based to abs) 1vs1 hostile/war was sure less from ours. Sanctuary have way better war setup and was not less prepare for his war vs us from Havoc. Main difference now is Sanctuary started all hostile to can prevent us train for 48h and after it Havoc double hostile us.

After double hostile based to both kds provinces stats our chances are almost zero because we was massive untrained and loss much army from trade hits.
ABS play 1vs1 only when its favor them but if they cant win 1vs1 they start team play.

Funny if we wanted to really powerplay you would not be in top to begin with. First you exploited a clear screwup by Bishop and the dev's on what could be expected in Fortified, then you attempt to vulture us, then you target-share one of our kingdoms, then you try to use a Hostile block with one of our allies to dodge a notice you were given even further in advance than you asked. I think you screwed yourself in this situation by continually pressing your luck and that you have received little in the way of power-play, especially considering your actions and lack of tact.

U mad bro? I think you are. Is it hard for you to understand, that as you have your pro-abs opinions, others might have pro-aabs opinions? you mad cuz they dont agree with you? I think you are. Sanc robbing AMA after Havoc notices is just the shade of grey we've seen from Abs before, so why is it weird that ppl form up their own opinions based on the past happenings and the present situation ? Havoc accepted the "cant notice if we are hostile" CF clause themselves, and now they break it. The notice should have been retracted (spelling?) and AMA should have been given the time to finish the hostile with Sanc. C'mon, Sanc robs, FGs and FBs <-- how is that not econ ****ing AMA before their fight with Havoc? You just make it look like they need all the help they can get, which is sad. Even if they pull out a win over AMA, which im not so sure about, then they wont get any credit whatsoever.

Jealous of what? Im not mad. I built Havoc and its awesome to see them FSU. People know what will happen when they open this can of worms, so they are signing their own death warrant. Sanctuary robbing from AMA has nothing to do with anything, and is not a "shade of grey". If you are not CF'ed with someone and failed to train thieves dont cry when you get farmed for gold. Look at difference between when ABS is target of these types of actions and when the AABS crowd is. Even though I'm still pissed at goodz for hijacking my KD, goodz actually was extremely reasonable about Havoc getting target-shared by Elit. Also if Elit really expected Havoc to let him dodge their notice that he knew was coming 4 days before by waving a KD like half his size then he is both delusional and a pretty poor leader. This is typical behavior though from AABS crowd as was same excuse they used to power-play Infinity>Havoc last Age when we had same situation with Jerks. Also read above, even Elit admits that Havoc did not violate terms of the agreement.

Elit is a shining light in an age of darkness.

If you call his choices and actions this Age and last "shining" then I dont know if that is sad or funny....