Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Palem]

For a TS fanboy you are surprisingly acute Palem :)

Thanks, you're a cutie too ;)

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

so many pages since ppl talking crap about fs breaking deals, but nobody care to show us this deal, its terms & what was broken etc.?

[StratOcastle]

Merry Christmas everyone.

The dialogue was condescending and thus had no content.

The one thing we can meet on is how this age is ending. The game is better for it. I'd rather the 'powers that be' roll the tanks than kingdoms live in fear of the concept.

[lampost]

so many pages since ppl talking crap about fs breaking deals, but nobody care to show us this deal, its terms & what was broken etc.?

Which part of what I said was crap? I stated clearly enough the outline of your db and waving into a hostile. But you can continue skirting the issue you know about. I'll add some more tips to help jog your memory. About 6/7 weeks into the age.

[silverfox]

Not sure what your point is really. Lol. You just reinforced what I said. So thanks.

People associate people as allies because of what they do and helping the other when in need. Does the SS situation now fill both boxes? Check.

If you want not to be mistaken as allies then don't act like one. Those so called kds who decided to randomly get together to PK FS's provinces in this eoa war should know they'll look like allies and coordinated acts before doing it if they had issues being seen as allies.

My point is that you're a bunch of hypocritical tools.

Last age, FS made threats that ED would be double teamed and then Pyro waved them but you all tried to claim that FS hadn't asked for help and Pyro was just randomly waving ED who "weren't in an active hostile", then logs came out proving that you were all lying and find it perfectly fine to double team people if one side is "being bullied".

Fast forward to this age and FS are "bullying" a KD who decide to retal and take them to war, yet rather than telling FS their actions are unacceptable (like ED was told) they're allowed to wave whoever they like. Then on top of that, the same people who last age organised hits on ED, decide that organising hits on a KD isn't allowed, except unlike last age there's zero proof that SS have asked anyone for help and indeed reps from KDs involved have all given their own reasons for wanting to smack FS, yet still your alliance (which isn't an alliance) decides that SS need to be raze killed to punish the KDs razing FS, because razing SS clearly has no strategic importance over raze killing provs making OOW hits.

Just to compund the stupidity of your post, let me give you a painting by numbers example:

1. Pyro wars another KD.
2. I decide to raze the other KD OOW.
3. Pyro have nothing to do with my actions.

You're telling me that you think Pyro should be GBed? Because clearly under your window licking logic we're allies and the right thing to do is target you rather than me. I mean if I'd known it was this easy to get FS and BB to GB Pyro I'd have helped you guys out a long time ago.

[AlphaQUp]

Aye but we did have a cf, they broke it and waves 3 ticks afterour eowcf and after multiple attempts prior to setup diplo.

Stop acting so offended by FS waving your kingdom. You did NOT have a CF with them...a blank cf with no terms is no cf. They had no reason to call off their wave.

The only offensive thing done was SS colluding to have FS players raze killed. You can claim all day long that it is a completely unorganized happening but why would anyone believe you. For days you are talking about the little guys rising up together to teach FS a lesson, but then when you follow through and don't like the consequences then you change your tune.

[DooWopJoel]

If you believe SS went to FS allies and asked them to gb them then eating my poop is good luck and fortunately for you its on sale. What sense does it make to do that. FS made enemies simple as that.

[markers]

Stop acting so offended by FS waving your kingdom. You did NOT have a CF with them...a blank cf with no terms is no cf. They had no reason to call off their wave.

The only offensive thing done was SS colluding to have FS players raze killed. You can claim all day long that it is a completely unorganized happening but why would anyone believe you. For days you are talking about the little guys rising up together to teach FS a lesson, but then when you follow through and don't like the consequences then you change your tune.

Er no, i haven't been talking about little guys rising up. I said its wrong and shouldn't be tolerated. Hence why we warred them in the first place.

And I'm not offended, i am astonished at their hypocritical statements.

All you seem to do is twist things to your liking. Run home to mom before you hurt yourself.

My tune has not changed one bit. I truly wish I could take credit for a gb. But alas I can not. Every piece of evidence has already been proved otherwise false in me organizing a gb

[Loons]

Thanks, you're a cutie too ;)

i see a love story brewing

[protector]

Justification is just a persons opinion, FS feel they were allowed to smack people about and take their honour, other KDs feel that it wasn't acceptable and in their view it was bullying.

My own opinion doesn't really matter, I can see both sides views and they're both equally valid arguments. "With risk comes reward" is utopias tagline, FS took the risk of angering people leveraged against the honour gained, as you said things must be within reason and the KDs being hit feel this was unreasonable so have acted to police the game.

It could be endlessly debated about what is right and wrong, about game mechanics which are good and bad for the game, but what it comes down to is how people feel and there is often very little you can do to make someone who feels like they've been treat unfairly change their mind on the situation.

You could also just answer his question :p
If you think the GB is justified, then a GB on ED last age would have been fine as well since they did the same thing.

It's a food chain and whoever isn't strong enough to defend their resource, simply risks losing it to a stronger kingdom. Last age ED was the "bully", this age that's FS. Next age it's ???

[pukusam]

lol u all fight so much but don't realise that the ultimate winner will be wsk getting the crown. if im SS, i might consider WD, right after EOACF wsk move in to FS and wave for honour crown. assuming they don't have any form of EOACF with FS.

[silverfox]

You could also just answer his question :p
If you think the GB is justified, then a GB on ED last age would have been fine as well since they did the same thing.

It's a food chain and whoever isn't strong enough to defend their resource, simply risks losing it to a stronger kingdom. Last age ED was the "bully", this age that's FS. Next age it's ???

My opinion doesn't have anything to do with other peoples opinions, it's quite clear that both sides have different opinions so throwing mine into the ring isn't really adding anything.

For what it's worth, if you consider the situation as being only FS making hits on other KDs then no I don't think they should be GBed for it as I agree that utopia should be about 1v1 and larger KDs should be able to leverage their power to make gains otherwise if no-one can hit anyone then the game might as well be Hello Kitty Explorer Adventures.

That said, anyone who wants to paint this as just FS making some valid hits and getting unfairly GBed for it is assuming everyone else is very naive. ED might have made some enemies along the way, but the vast majority of our conflicts ended reasonably and our wars were mostly against larger KDs even when the other KD was in a better shape than us. Compare this to FS' recent record of wars; when ED had problems with them 2 ages ago there were many people who expressed being pissed off with the way they'd played vs. them, compare last age when FS were very happy to run to their alliance to get help and both help in GBing KDs and asking for hits against other KDs, have an actual read of peoples posts on these boards where they express their dislike for FS and the reasons they give.

Players hate FS, in their arrogance they like to portray everyone as jealous noobs, but the fact is that while there seem to be quite a few rational people within FS their leadership comes across as being a bunch of asshats. Seeing first hand how they deal with other KDs then I have no reason to not believe they've pissed off other people who are now willing to try and ruin their age. I also don't remember anyone complaining about ED last age, because we mostly hit for some honour then gave a CF straight away to avoid real wars, maybe we were just "classy" bullies.

As a side note, humans are top of the food chain because of our intelligence. Being stronger means jack **** in the real world, I don't see many people who'd take on a black bear in the wild armed with a stick, but band together a group of hunters and you can take one down much easier and it's not much consolation to the dead bear when it's friends are ripping the people apart after the fact.

[StratOcastle]

Stop acting so offended by FS waving your kingdom. You did NOT have a CF with them...a blank cf with no terms is no cf. They had no reason to call off their wave.

The only offensive thing done was SS colluding to have FS players raze killed. You can claim all day long that it is a completely unorganized happening but why would anyone believe you. For days you are talking about the little guys rising up together to teach FS a lesson, but then when you follow through and don't like the consequences then you change your tune.

You're excusing your aggression. That's a pretty empty system to support any CFs anyone would have with you.

Oh, you'll get your tops as usual, but your word is worthless to everyone else.

Because nothing happened till you pushed. You pushed because you have backup. You're a fine kingdom, and you might charm the pants off a number of kingdoms, but you're a pure bully in this. There's no way around it.

There's no evidence SS had been unruly in or out of war all age.

[Paymon]

I'm chiming in late but I love the banner. Much fun :)

[pukusam]

My opinion doesn't have anything to do with other peoples opinions, it's quite clear that both sides have different opinions so throwing mine into the ring isn't really adding anything.

For what it's worth, if you consider the situation as being only FS making hits on other KDs then no I don't think they should be GBed for it as I agree that utopia should be about 1v1 and larger KDs should be able to leverage their power to make gains otherwise if no-one can hit anyone then the game might as well be Hello Kitty Explorer Adventures.

That said, anyone who wants to paint this as just FS making some valid hits and getting unfairly GBed for it is assuming everyone else is very naive. ED might have made some enemies along the way, but the vast majority of our conflicts ended reasonably and our wars were mostly against larger KDs even when the other KD was in a better shape than us. Compare this to FS' recent record of wars; when ED had problems with them 2 ages ago there were many people who expressed being pissed off with the way they'd played vs. them, compare last age when FS were very happy to run to their alliance to get help and both help in GBing KDs and asking for hits against other KDs, have an actual read of peoples posts on these boards where they express their dislike for FS and the reasons they give.

Players hate FS, in their arrogance they like to portray everyone as jealous noobs, but the fact is that while there seem to be quite a few rational people within FS their leadership comes across as being a bunch of asshats. Seeing first hand how they deal with other KDs then I have no reason to not believe they've pissed off other people who are now willing to try and ruin their age. I also don't remember anyone complaining about ED last age, because we mostly hit for some honour then gave a CF straight away to avoid real wars, maybe we were just "classy" bullies.

As a side note, humans are top of the food chain because of our intelligence. Being stronger means jack **** in the real world, I don't see many people who'd take on a black bear in the wild armed with a stick, but band together a group of hunters and you can take one down much easier and it's not much consolation to the dead bear when it's friends are ripping the people apart after the fact.

don't worry silverfox, if you cant get them this age. get them the next. FS have always been friends with the top because they know they can't touch them. i think the top is just bored this age. totally no action at all. :(( total waste of 16 weeks. haha